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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Apr 14, 2022 5:12:02 GMT -5
To be fair, we haven't ever seen any writer's first draft that is given to Vince. We don't know that their best work is getting ripped up or passed over. They could be turning in stuff that you'd find even worse than what ends up on television. They laughted at the person that wanted a continuity -anything-. I dont think they WANT good writers Before, during AND after one of their most successful creative periods was helmed by someone who made sure to keep track of those things. RIP Chris Kreski. That's another thing I can see being particularly disheartening, the lack of progression. Other shows, you hear about people being staff writers, they hang around, start on the odd bit here or there, go on to become more senior, maybe even head writers. WWE it seems like no matter what you do, you're always just a cog in a wheel. The writer behind something that people saw as particularly well written, Mandy/Otis, were they given chances with talent at the top of the card? Nah, I don't think they even lasted a year after the angle was done and ripped up, both characters back where they started. Who's been at the top of Creative? The same handful of people who've been around, in some cases for over 30 years, they go away, come back, but the Pritchards, the Dunns etc. Unless you're one of the bosses' favourites, doesn't matter what you do, it's not a glass ceiling, it's a lead lined bunker. Frankly, even if they were the absolute best talent in the world, you need fresh ideas and talent at the top in ANY ongoing creative venture, everyone has a limit on their ideas and perspectives.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Apr 14, 2022 6:33:57 GMT -5
From the outside, yes, WWE looks like a raw deal. But it's worth considering the industry perspective. Steady writing work can be hell to come by. You take a chance on a TV show and you might end up canceled before the season is out and then you're looking for work again. WWE pays money and is a real show, and it is an institution as far as being consistently present online, which means it's a secure gig. Yes you'll suffer burnout and frustration and you'll probably leave feeling like crap because most writers seem to, but at that point you leave with a tenure working on a major, international TV show on your resume. Yes the show's writing is crap, but that's still experience on something big and most importantly, it's steady work. For a professional writer, that's the ideal. Out of curiosity, how many of the writers the WWE have burned out or canned for no reason have gone on to use having their time in the company as a stepping stone to bigger and better things? I know Gerwitz is working for the Rock now, but there should be other success stories.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Apr 14, 2022 8:36:46 GMT -5
I honestly would stay away from the industry in any capacity. I would love to design merchandise.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2022 8:47:26 GMT -5
From the outside, yes, WWE looks like a raw deal. But it's worth considering the industry perspective. Steady writing work can be hell to come by. You take a chance on a TV show and you might end up canceled before the season is out and then you're looking for work again. WWE pays money and is a real show, and it is an institution as far as being consistently present online, which means it's a secure gig. Yes you'll suffer burnout and frustration and you'll probably leave feeling like crap because most writers seem to, but at that point you leave with a tenure working on a major, international TV show on your resume. Yes the show's writing is crap, but that's still experience on something big and most importantly, it's steady work. For a professional writer, that's the ideal. Out of curiosity, how many of the writers the WWE have burned out or canned for no reason have gone on to use having their time in the company as a stepping stone to bigger and better things? I know Gerwitz is working for the Rock now, but there should be other success stories. Both Chris Roach and Chris Dejoseph went on to be the head writers for Lucha Underground and Roach has written films for BlumHouse and both work on Big Brother and other reality shows.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 14, 2022 16:27:55 GMT -5
I have to say, part of the reason I am no longer a writer is because if a WWE writing gig came up I would HAVE to take it because how often do you get offered paid writing gigs that are full-time for a company with international notoreity.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 14, 2022 16:34:51 GMT -5
From the outside, yes, WWE looks like a raw deal. But it's worth considering the industry perspective. Steady writing work can be hell to come by. You take a chance on a TV show and you might end up canceled before the season is out and then you're looking for work again. WWE pays money and is a real show, and it is an institution as far as being consistently present online, which means it's a secure gig. Yes you'll suffer burnout and frustration and you'll probably leave feeling like crap because most writers seem to, but at that point you leave with a tenure working on a major, international TV show on your resume. Yes the show's writing is crap, but that's still experience on something big and most importantly, it's steady work. For a professional writer, that's the ideal. Out of curiosity, how many of the writers the WWE have burned out or canned for no reason have gone on to use having their time in the company as a stepping stone to bigger and better things? I know Gerwitz is working for the Rock now, but there should be other success stories. I think a lot of problem with that is the WWE kinda keeps who their writers is under wraps. It's not like SNL that has a writers credit at the end of every show.
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Post by Legion on Apr 14, 2022 16:41:53 GMT -5
Isn't this just how writer's rooms work?
You pitch and write something for someone, sometimes it gets picked up, sometimes the idea is liked but is giving to someone else to develop, sometimes it goes no where.
That is just professional writing in a writer's room. You know that when you walk in - or should if that is your profession. You dont want that, go solo and write scripts alone for shows that only want one writer.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 14, 2022 16:50:45 GMT -5
Isn't this just how writer's rooms work? You pitch and write something for someone, sometimes it gets picked up, sometimes the idea is liked but is giving to someone else to develop, sometimes it goes no where. That is just professional writing in a writer's room. You know that when you walk in - or should if that is your profession. You dont want that, go solo and write scripts alone for shows that only want one writer. It's been stated multiple times in this thread that no... the WWE is not like your standard writing room in any capacity.
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Post by Legion on Apr 14, 2022 17:13:40 GMT -5
Isn't this just how writer's rooms work? You pitch and write something for someone, sometimes it gets picked up, sometimes the idea is liked but is giving to someone else to develop, sometimes it goes no where. That is just professional writing in a writer's room. You know that when you walk in - or should if that is your profession. You dont want that, go solo and write scripts alone for shows that only want one writer. It's been stated multiple times in this thread that no... the WWE is not like your standard writing room in any capacity. But I dont understand why it isnt. It sounds like it is. You try and do your 'skits' to tell the story you want, the guy in charge can ditch it whenever he wants. Sometimes you will get stuff on, sometimes you wont. I don't see how that is any different to any other writers room shown in any TV show that focuses on showing what a writer's room looks like.
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Post by nisidhe on Apr 14, 2022 19:55:50 GMT -5
It's been stated multiple times in this thread that no... the WWE is not like your standard writing room in any capacity. But I dont understand why it isnt. It sounds like it is. You try and do your 'skits' to tell the story you want, the guy in charge can ditch it whenever he wants. Sometimes you will get stuff on, sometimes you wont. I don't see how that is any different to any other writers room shown in any TV show that focuses on showing what a writer's room looks like. The issue with WWE writers is that virtually _nothing_ they come up with makes it to TV in any way, shape or form similar to what they came up with. It goes through a dozen or more gatekeepers, who either reject it outright or try to "add value" to it to get credit, long before it reaches Vince who, more often than not, will reject it and insert his own ideas _or_, more often than not, will send it back to the writing room for a rewrite where it goes through the same shit all over again. There is no trust in the writers' ability to create compelling stories, but a whole gauntlet of ignoramuses with little writing experience and a whole lot of shit on their noses destroying creativity and productivity and motivation. Lorne Michaels and NBC trust the SNL writers/cast members to get good content on paper and on stage, and will work directly with that team to ensure that the stuff being beamed nationwide is the best of that content. Nobody in WWE's hierarchy knows how to work with a writing team nor is anyone humble enough to learn.
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Post by Cyno on Apr 14, 2022 20:12:51 GMT -5
From the outside, yes, WWE looks like a raw deal. But it's worth considering the industry perspective. Steady writing work can be hell to come by. You take a chance on a TV show and you might end up canceled before the season is out and then you're looking for work again. WWE pays money and is a real show, and it is an institution as far as being consistently present online, which means it's a secure gig. Yes you'll suffer burnout and frustration and you'll probably leave feeling like crap because most writers seem to, but at that point you leave with a tenure working on a major, international TV show on your resume. Yes the show's writing is crap, but that's still experience on something big and most importantly, it's steady work. For a professional writer, that's the ideal. Out of curiosity, how many of the writers the WWE have burned out or canned for no reason have gone on to use having their time in the company as a stepping stone to bigger and better things? I know Gerwitz is working for the Rock now, but there should be other success stories. I think Patrice O'Neal worked for WWE Creative before he really started to make it as a comedian.
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