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Post by Instant Classic on Apr 17, 2022 19:56:49 GMT -5
For me it’s the choke slam. No one who does it nowadays makes it look like it could finish a match.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 17, 2022 20:12:26 GMT -5
For me it’s the choke slam. No one who does it nowadays makes it look like it could finish a match. Damian Priest should start using South of Heaven as his finisher For me, even tho Goldberg still wrestles every now and again, I wish someone used the Jackhammer |
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Apr 18, 2022 6:32:42 GMT -5
For me it’s the choke slam. No one who does it nowadays makes it look like it could finish a match. Damian Priest should start using South of Heaven as his finisher For me, even tho Goldberg still wrestles every now and again, I wish someone used the Jackhammer I wish the DTT - the original - had not become a transition move. That shit should knock you the f*** out. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 18, 2022 6:46:18 GMT -5
People occasionally do it as a finisher still, like Okada and EC3 of all people, but sort of surprised more haven't tried to use the Cobra Clutch as a finisher. Looks good, is probably one of the safest moves possible, you can do it to anybody, and it can be transitioned into and out of pretty easily.
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Post by "Sweet & Sour" ImSoFudginGreat on Apr 18, 2022 7:37:08 GMT -5
Full Nelson. I have always loved that move. It’s why The Warlord and Chris Masters were my favourites when they were at their peaks.
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Post by Bad Moon on Apr 18, 2022 9:05:31 GMT -5
Any move that ends with your head hitting the ground (brainbuster, piledriver, high angle suplexes, DDTs) should be treated as an instant knockout, or at least leave you standing so wobbly that it only takes a clothesline to finish you off, like the tombstone->rainmaker or dead-eye->buckshot lariat combos.
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Apr 18, 2022 9:27:22 GMT -5
Also, to me - and I know this is subjective - a finisher doesn't mean as much when it takes 4-5 to actually finish a guy off.
I guess I'm not a fan of "video game selling" (I know I didn't coin that phrase, but I think it's an accurate description). We've seen people take big moves and finishers and not sell the impact for more than a few seconds. I get that people can push through pain at times, but that also shouldn't compeletly negate you being dropped on your head, or being kicked/kneed in the head several times, or what have you.
Again, I know its a subjective thing, but I feel like high spots have overtaken psychology to an extent.
That doesn't mean that I don't think there is any psychology. There is. I just wish it was more targeted on working toward a finisher, and that finisher being the end (outside of a few rare occasions).
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Post by chrom on Apr 18, 2022 9:43:30 GMT -5
The Missile Dropkick
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Post by Derk! on Apr 18, 2022 9:46:35 GMT -5
The Ace Crusher/Cutter
It should be death to anyone receiving it. People like Penta, Cody, Sammy, etc. using it to get a 2-count, seems wrong.
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Post by ERON on Apr 18, 2022 10:06:29 GMT -5
piledriver/tombstone
Canadian destroyer
DDT
brainbuster
superplex
powerbomb
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Apr 18, 2022 10:27:57 GMT -5
The Ace Crusher/Cutter It should be death to anyone receiving it. People like Penta, Cody, Sammy, etc. using it to get a 2-count, seems wrong. What's also funny is when they use a move that has only ever gotten them a two count, and they act surprised that this one time did not get them the three. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2022 10:47:07 GMT -5
I say this as someone who loves high flyers:
It drives me insane that piledrivers, brainbusters, etc. are more or less 2 count false finishes, but a top-rope splash that just happens to have some rotations in it is a killshot.
I get it, to an extent. I've even made the argument that you can kinda stretch things by saying "Well, if they knew how to do the DDT better (within Kayfabe) they'd get a 3 count with it."
But even guys who use a DDT finisher, like Mox, don't always get the 3 count with it, and that's silly. If you get dropped on your head, you should be done. Period. You should be so done that a ref has to make sure you can move your fingers and toes.
There's plenty of drama and "oh shit!" moments to be had from avoiding a DDT like it's a damn-near death sentence.
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Post by cosmo on Apr 18, 2022 11:01:29 GMT -5
The piledriver. When I first started watching wrestling as a kid, I was able to watch the USWA during its last few years. Since piledrivers were always treated like potential career killers there, that kinda influenced how I viewed them. And now we're seeing Canadian Destroyers from damn near everybody, even non-wrestlers like Bad Bunny, like it's no big deal.
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Post by Venti on Apr 18, 2022 14:20:19 GMT -5
Piledriver should be an incredibly rare move that instantly finishes a dude off for the three count(plus lots of selling)
DDT all the way. Loved when Mox started using the double arm variation as a finisher because that's a great move.
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Post by Bo Rida on Apr 18, 2022 14:26:57 GMT -5
Tombstones are the main one. It will always be jarring seeing them as mid-match moves.
I'm not overly bothered by regular versions of finishing moves getting downgraded but they should remain deadly if enhanced in some way, especailly avalanche versions.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Apr 18, 2022 15:03:31 GMT -5
Also, to me - and I know this is subjective - a finisher doesn't mean as much when it takes 4-5 to actually finish a guy off. I guess I'm not a fan of "video game selling" (I know I didn't coin that phrase, but I think it's an accurate description). We've seen people take big moves and finishers and not sell the impact for more than a few seconds. I get that people can push through pain at times, but that also shouldn't compeletly negate you being dropped on your head, or being kicked/kneed in the head several times, or what have you. Again, I know its a subjective thing, but I feel like high spots have overtaken psychology to an extent. That doesn't mean that I don't think there is any psychology. There is. I just wish it was more targeted on working toward a finisher, and that finisher being the end (outside of a few rare occasions). Came here to say this. Not every big match needs to be a parade of finishers and kickouts |
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Apr 18, 2022 15:07:17 GMT -5
Also, to me - and I know this is subjective - a finisher doesn't mean as much when it takes 4-5 to actually finish a guy off. I guess I'm not a fan of "video game selling" (I know I didn't coin that phrase, but I think it's an accurate description). We've seen people take big moves and finishers and not sell the impact for more than a few seconds. I get that people can push through pain at times, but that also shouldn't compeletly negate you being dropped on your head, or being kicked/kneed in the head several times, or what have you. Again, I know its a subjective thing, but I feel like high spots have overtaken psychology to an extent. That doesn't mean that I don't think there is any psychology. There is. I just wish it was more targeted on working toward a finisher, and that finisher being the end (outside of a few rare occasions). Came here to say this. Not every big match needs to be a parade of finishers and kickouts I re-watched WM21 recently, and seeing the Undertaker/Orton match end with one Tombstone, was refreshing. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2022 15:07:27 GMT -5
The Ace Crusher/Cutter It should be death to anyone receiving it. People like Penta, Cody, Sammy, etc. using it to get a 2-count, seems wrong. The only thing I have to add is that it seems everyone who isn't throwing around cutters like they're nothing is doing stunners. |
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Apr 18, 2022 16:35:52 GMT -5
Came here to say this. Not every big match needs to be a parade of finishers and kickouts I re-watched WM21 recently, and seeing the Undertaker/Orton match end with one Tombstone, was refreshing. Right? And I'm not saying there is never a place for kicking out of a main event finisher, but the stakes need to be huge, I think. Or it needs to be "hit the finisher, but too damaged to cover immediately, so the guy has time to recover" type kickouts. Those are OK, and make sense rather than kicking out of a finish in a grueling match when you're covered right away. |
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Apr 18, 2022 16:58:43 GMT -5
I re-watched WM21 recently, and seeing the Undertaker/Orton match end with one Tombstone, was refreshing. Right? And I'm not saying there is never a place for kicking out of a main event finisher, but the stakes need to be huge, I think. Or it needs to be "hit the finisher, but too damaged to cover immediately, so the guy has time to recover" type kickouts. Those are OK, and make sense rather than kicking out of a finish in a grueling match when you're covered right away. Yea. The Goldberg VS DDP match is a great example of the "too tired to capitalize" finisher kick out. Still think they should have done a rematch with DDP hitting the cutter and winning. The finisher kick out fests now are just... too much. One of the things I liked about the long Brock Universal title run, was that most of his matches ended with one F5. |
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