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Post by James Fabiano on Jun 8, 2022 11:21:10 GMT -5
In another board, we were discussing one of the Coliseum Videos (the original "world tour" one), and someone brought up that Warrior was pinned clean by Andre in a tag match in Italy or France once. Which made us realize....he did NO clean jobs when he did lose in the WWF, did he?
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Jun 8, 2022 11:33:02 GMT -5
I don't think he lost cleanly in his entire career, at least not in televised matches. He has a kayfabe argument for being the best ever. No one ever beat him fair and square. He’s the only person to get a clean win over prime Hulkamania Hogan. He kicked out of 5 Savage elbows and came back to win. He regularly kicked Andre and Undertaker’s asses on the house show circuit. He squashed HHH at Wrestlemania. Even when he was broken down in WCW Hogan had to cheat to beat him.
Someone like Goldberg also has an insane record but I think he at least had one or two clean losses during his WCW run (didn’t Booker beat him clean on a random Nitro during his brief heel run?). During his recent WWE runs he’s taken quite a few clean losses though.
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Post by Aceorton on Jun 8, 2022 14:24:31 GMT -5
These are the only apparently clean pinfall losses I could find for Warrior in the entirety of his WWF stints, and the first two are before he made his TV debut.
That tag match with Spivey is weird. By the wording here, Warrior must have been advertised for the show (or at least listed in the program) despite not being introduced to WWF audiences yet. He's in there against the tag champs, and they do an angle where his partner abandons him, never to be followed up on in any way.
WWF @ Tucson, AZ - Community Center - August 27, 1987
The Dingo Warrior defeated Frenchy Martin
B. Brian Blair & Jim Brunzell vs. WWF Tag Team Champions Bret Hart & Jim Neidhart
Paul Orndorff defeated Randy Savage
Brutus Beefcake defeated Sika
King Kong Bundy defeated Kimchee (sub. for Kamala)
Nikolai Volkoff defeated the Dingo Warrior (sub. for Koko B. Ware)
Tito Santana vs. Hercules
WWF @ Lansing, MI - Civic Center - September 13, 1987
WWF Women's Champion Sensational Sherri vs. the Fabulous Moolah
WWF Tag Team Champions Bret Hart & Jim Neidhart defeated the Dingo Warrior & Danny Spivey (sub. for Cpl. Kirchner) after Spivey walked out of the match
WWF @ Cesena, Italy - Carisport - April 3, 1988
Brady Boone defeated Steve Lombardi
Koko B. Ware vs. Ron Bass
Brutus Beefcake vs. Greg Valentine
WWF Tag Team Champions Demolition vs. Paul Roma & Jim Powers
Andre the Giant pinned the Ultimate Warrior with a sit-down splash after kicking Warrior in the face as he charged the corner
Hercules vs. Jim Duggan
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Post by sungod2020 on Jun 8, 2022 19:18:35 GMT -5
I read on wikipedia that he was pinned by Rick Rude in on December 28, 1987 at a house show, but I can't find a record of that match anywhere, and going by thehistoryofthewwe.com in ring results, Rick Rude was facing Paul Orndorff(and a couple of jobbers) around that time while Ultimate Warrior was squashing Iron Mike Sharpe and a pre-Brooklyn Brawler Steve Lombardi. And this was also during a time when performers worked two shows a day, so I'm not convinced that match ever happened unless somebody finds me evidence otherwise.
EDIT: Here's what I found on the webpage...
WWF @ Richfield, OH - Coliseum - December 28, 1987 (8,000)
Hercules pinned the Junkyard Dog
Dino Bravo pinned Hillbilly Jim
Rick Rude pinned WWF Tag Team Champion Tito Santana (sub. for Paul Orndorff)
Davey Boy Smith & the Dynamite Kid defeated Nikolai Volkoff & Boris Zhukov via disqualification
Don Muraco pinned Butch Reed with a small package
Danny Davis pinned Sam Houston
The One Man Gang defeated Jake Roberts via count-out
WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan & Bam Bam Bigelow defeated Andre the Giant & King Kong Bundy when Bigelow pinned Bundy
WWF @ Pittsburgh, PA - Civic Arena - December 28, 1987 (5,000)
Jerry Allen pinned Barry Horowitz at 10:45 with a crossbody from the middle turnbuckle
Ron Bass pinned Outback Jack at 7:22 with the Pedigree
Jacques & Raymond Rougeau defeated the Conquistadors at 13:40 when Jacques pinneed Jose Luis Rivera
George Steele fought Sika to a double count-out at 3:59
Karate Chris Dube & Cowboy Lang defeated Lord Littlebrook & Little Tokyo at 8:01 when Dube pinned Tokyo
Brutus Beefcake pinned Greg Valentine at 8:58 after Beefcake used a foreign object Jimmy Hart intended for Valentine
WWF Women's Champion Sensational Sherri pinned Rockin Robin at 7:29 after a suplex
The Islanders defeated B. Brian Blair & Jim Brunzell at 16:02 when Haku pinned Blair after Tama jumped off of the top onto Blair, then putting Haku on top for the cover
Ted Dibiase pinned Ricky Steamboat at 13:50 as Virgil held Steamboat's leg from the outside
Randy Savage defeated WWF IC Champion the Honkytonk Man via disqualification at 5:37; Jimmy Hart was suspended in a cage atop the ring for the duration of the bout
WWF @ Halifax, Nova Scotia - Forum - December 28, 1987
The originally scheduled WWF Tag Team Champions Rick Martel & Tito Santana vs. Bret Hart & Jim Neidhart match was cancelled
Bret Hart vs. Paul Roma
Danny Spivey vs. Lanny Poffo
The Ultimate Warrior vs. Steve Lombardi
Koko B. Ware vs. Iron Mike Sharpe
Demolition vs. Ken Patera & Billy Jack Haynes
WWF Women's Tag Team Champions Judy Martin & Leilani Kai vs. the Jumping Bomb Angels
Jim Duggan vs. King Harley Race
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Post by Super Nintenjoe KBD on Jun 9, 2022 5:53:28 GMT -5
It's also surreal seeing when he was still being introduced as being from Queens New York as The Dingo Warrior and with the graphics, but looking like Ultimate Warrior. Even if this was never seen by TV audiences at the time:  |
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Post by tafkaga on Jun 9, 2022 9:11:48 GMT -5
Dingo Warrior to Ultimate Warrior is quite an upgrade.
Makes me wonder many other types of animal warriors did he have to beat to earn that moniker?
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Jun 9, 2022 12:25:05 GMT -5
It's also surreal seeing when he was still being introduced as being from Queens New York as The Dingo Warrior and with the graphics, but looking like Ultimate Warrior. Even if this was never seen by TV audiences at the time: What a strange picture. Due to the angles he manages to look both jacked to the gills and puny at the same time. |
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jun 9, 2022 14:29:07 GMT -5
I read on wikipedia that he was pinned by Rick Rude in on December 28, 1987 at a house show, but I can't find a record of that match anywhere, and going by thehistoryofthewwe.com in ring results, Rick Rude was facing Paul Orndorff(and a couple of jobbers) around that time while Ultimate Warrior was squashing Iron Mike Sharpe and a pre-Brooklyn Brawler Steve Lombardi. And this was also during a time when performers worked two shows a day, so I'm not convinced that match ever happened unless somebody finds me evidence otherwise. EDIT: Here's what I found on the webpage... WWF @ Richfield, OH - Coliseum - December 28, 1987 (8,000) Hercules pinned the Junkyard Dog Dino Bravo pinned Hillbilly Jim Rick Rude pinned WWF Tag Team Champion Tito Santana (sub. for Paul Orndorff)
Davey Boy Smith & the Dynamite Kid defeated Nikolai Volkoff & Boris Zhukov via disqualification Don Muraco pinned Butch Reed with a small package Danny Davis pinned Sam Houston The One Man Gang defeated Jake Roberts via count-out WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan & Bam Bam Bigelow defeated Andre the Giant & King Kong Bundy when Bigelow pinned Bundy WWF @ Pittsburgh, PA - Civic Arena - December 28, 1987 (5,000) Jerry Allen pinned Barry Horowitz at 10:45 with a crossbody from the middle turnbuckle Ron Bass pinned Outback Jack at 7:22 with the Pedigree Jacques & Raymond Rougeau defeated the Conquistadors at 13:40 when Jacques pinneed Jose Luis Rivera George Steele fought Sika to a double count-out at 3:59 Karate Chris Dube & Cowboy Lang defeated Lord Littlebrook & Little Tokyo at 8:01 when Dube pinned Tokyo Brutus Beefcake pinned Greg Valentine at 8:58 after Beefcake used a foreign object Jimmy Hart intended for Valentine WWF Women's Champion Sensational Sherri pinned Rockin Robin at 7:29 after a suplex The Islanders defeated B. Brian Blair & Jim Brunzell at 16:02 when Haku pinned Blair after Tama jumped off of the top onto Blair, then putting Haku on top for the cover Ted Dibiase pinned Ricky Steamboat at 13:50 as Virgil held Steamboat's leg from the outside Randy Savage defeated WWF IC Champion the Honkytonk Man via disqualification at 5:37; Jimmy Hart was suspended in a cage atop the ring for the duration of the bout WWF @ Halifax, Nova Scotia - Forum - December 28, 1987 The originally scheduled WWF Tag Team Champions Rick Martel & Tito Santana vs. Bret Hart & Jim Neidhart match was cancelled Bret Hart vs. Paul Roma Danny Spivey vs. Lanny Poffo The Ultimate Warrior vs. Steve Lombardi
Koko B. Ware vs. Iron Mike Sharpe Demolition vs. Ken Patera & Billy Jack Haynes WWF Women's Tag Team Champions Judy Martin & Leilani Kai vs. the Jumping Bomb Angels Jim Duggan vs. King Harley Race Cagematch has him listed losing to Rude on December 28th Richfield show. Yet results on History of The WWE having Rude beating Tito Santana on that show. Weird. As far as rare Warrior pinfall losses here's another: WWF @ Montreal, Quebec - Forum - June 29, 1988 (11,000+) The Big Bossman pinned Lanny Poffo at 8:17 The One Man Gang defeated Bam Bam Bigelow via forfeit when Bigelow failed to appear due to a family emergency; Richard Charland was to have been Bigelow's substitute but the Quebec Athletic Commission would not allow him to compete because he didn't have a license to wrestle Frenchy Martin pinned Sam Houston Dino Bravo pinned the Ultimate Warrior at 8:23 by grabbing the ring ropes for leverage; after the bout, Warrior assaulted Frenchy MartinAndre the Giant & Rick Rude defeated Jake Roberts & Jim Duggan at 16:24 when Rude pinned Roberts Jacques & Raymond Rougeau defeated WWF Tag Team Champions Demolition via disqualification at 19:40 Granted it was a rope assisted pin and they always put Bravo over whenever they were in Montreal but still surprising they would have Warrior getting pinned in any capacity as they were definitely all in on his super push by that point. |
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Jun 9, 2022 22:45:05 GMT -5
Can we take a moment to appreciate what a profoundly strange ring name Dingo Warrior is?
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Post by eudypfohl on Jun 9, 2022 23:40:20 GMT -5
Here's Andre beating him at a house show in Italy. |
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Post by chazraps on Jun 10, 2022 0:15:42 GMT -5
I know Roddy Piper jobbed clean to Mr. Perfect in late 1990 (it's on the unreleased Piper matches collection) and lost to Bret at Mania 8, but *other than those two* did he ever get pinned/submitted cleanly?
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 10, 2022 2:31:34 GMT -5
Can we take a moment to appreciate what a profoundly strange ring name Dingo Warrior is? It's weird in that it would have made perfect sense as the name of an Australian wrestler, but even if Aussie stuff was big in the '80s, it wasn't something that was relevant at all to him that I am aware of. Maybe it was just chosen as an exotic predator to use for a name, like wrestlers have done with all kinds of snakes, wild cats, etc, but even then, it's a bit weird. |
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Jun 10, 2022 8:30:09 GMT -5
Can we take a moment to appreciate what a profoundly strange ring name Dingo Warrior is? I’ve heard it said that Gary Hart came up with it in Texas. Not too long before his death, I was listening to Gary on a live online wrestling show. They had talked a bit about Warrior earlier in the show, and the host started asking questions sent in by listeners. One began, “Wacko Bob wants to know…” Gary started laughing and said, “Wacko Bob! That’s a great name, maybe that’s why I should have called the Dingo Warrior instead!” I ended up starting a comedy game of EWR. I changed Warrior’s name to Wacko Bob and basically envisioned him as some kind of crazy hobo who got in shape because he joined a gym to use the showers and figured he might as well work out. I gave Eric Bischoff a paperboy gimmick because I could see him dressed as a kid, pedaling down the ramp on a bike while tossing WCW magazines into the audience. Stevie Ray became Detective Fruitbooty, PI. He never had matches, but every week he had an interview segment in which he interrogated a different wrestler, who would then get fed up and kick his ass. I did something ridiculous with Luger but I can’t remember what it was. Someone was given a racist gimmick, leading to them getting beat up every week. Someone who didn’t fit it at all was given a fun drunk gimmick. I wish I could remember who it was. |
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Jun 10, 2022 9:09:45 GMT -5
I know Roddy Piper jobbed clean to Mr. Perfect in late 1990 (it's on the unreleased Piper matches collection) and lost to Bret at Mania 8, but *other than those two* did he ever get pinned/submitted cleanly? During the handicap/gauntlet match with Jericho at Wrestlemania 25 I’m sure he was beaten cleanly. Piper literally did less clean jobs than Hogan. It’s actually impressive how he somehow managed to out-politic him in WCW especially. Piper made Hogan submit clean in their first match at Starrcade even after having to fight off NWO guys. He only lost the rematch at Superbrawl because of Savage interference and earlier in the match Hogan’s hand clearly dropped 3 times in Piper’s sleeper but the referee screwed up and didn’t call the match. Then Piper wins the blow-off match at Halloween Havoc despite it being weeks away from Hogan/Sting at Starrcade and Hogan probably shouldn’t have been losing until then. It’s ridiculous how protected he was, especially in later years. Way past his prime WCW Piper had clean wins over Hogan, Savage, Flair, Bret and others and didn’t return the favor to any of them (or anyone else). He was injured and could barely move at Superbrawl 1999 due to his hip but still in order to drop the US title to Scott Hall it required interference from Nash and Disco plus Hall putting his foot on the ropes for illegal leverage. Buff Bagwell is a popular rising babyface at BATB 99 but heel Piper can’t even do the equivalent of a clean job in a boxing match with Buff’s mom having to help him win. Judgment Day 2003 v Hogan, sorry Mr. America, was ridiculous too. He’s as broken down as you can get at this point v Hogan who has become the most popular guy in wrestling again. It should be a quick and simple clean win but Piper still has to be protected and only loses due to Sean O’Haire botching interference and knocking him out. |
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Post by jason1980s on Jun 10, 2022 9:49:01 GMT -5
I couldn't stand Piper's not losing clean crap. He couldn't lose clean in any PPV and there had to be some stupid double DQ or countout Survivor Series 89 and 91 and didn't even get eliminated by a guy in the rumble at 90 (Bad News was already gone). I feel like with Jesse leaving, Vince had no choice to put in him the booth not just because Roddy was a talker and Vince loved him but because they guy ruined his PPVs matches by playing by his not losing clean crap rules. And Vince let him get away with it.
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Post by eudypfohl on Jun 10, 2022 9:49:58 GMT -5
Can we take a moment to appreciate what a profoundly strange ring name Dingo Warrior is? It's weird in that it would have made perfect sense as the name of an Australian wrestler, but even if Aussie stuff was big in the '80s, it wasn't something that was relevant at all to him that I am aware of. Maybe it was just chosen as an exotic predator to use for a name, like wrestlers have done with all kinds of snakes, wild cats, etc, but even then, it's a bit weird. Dingo just sounds so stupidly goofy and laughable. You have Warrior...which is strength, courage, tenacity, aggression, and you're combining it with a clownish word like Dingo. Doesn't work at all. It's like Booger Murderer, or Couscous Rapist. |
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Post by greyfmdan on Jun 10, 2022 12:58:43 GMT -5
Can we take a moment to appreciate what a profoundly strange ring name Dingo Warrior is? It's weird in that it would have made perfect sense as the name of an Australian wrestler, but even if Aussie stuff was big in the '80s, it wasn't something that was relevant at all to him that I am aware of. Maybe it was just chosen as an exotic predator to use for a name, like wrestlers have done with all kinds of snakes, wild cats, etc, but even then, it's a bit weird. Yeah, I was thinking, Dingo Warrior is a decent name for an Australian wrestler. And they were billing him from Queens?? |
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Jun 10, 2022 13:19:44 GMT -5
“The Dingus Warrior “ would have been a good name for a comedy wrestler.
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Post by PTBartman on Jun 10, 2022 13:52:30 GMT -5
Can we take a moment to appreciate what a profoundly strange ring name Dingo Warrior is? I wonder if he was eating babies at that time [Picture]https://images.app.goo.gl/xkKwSRzc3jHEVBbr[/picture] |
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jun 10, 2022 13:58:03 GMT -5
I know Roddy Piper jobbed clean to Mr. Perfect in late 1990 (it's on the unreleased Piper matches collection) and lost to Bret at Mania 8, but *other than those two* did he ever get pinned/submitted cleanly? Snuka pinned him clean in a strap match that was on one of the early Best of the WWF Coliseum Video releases. I want to say it was Volume 3 or 4. That and the Bret WM VIII loss were I believe his only clean pinfall losses. Flair pinned him at a MSG House Show in I believe October 91 but he used the ropes for leverage so it wasn't clean. |
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