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Post by sfvega on May 16, 2023 23:57:35 GMT -5
Tempe has rejected the Coyotes' proposals. It is extremely likely if not certain that they are gone. I’m about to lose my baseball team, so my sympathy goes out to any fans. If they do move, Milwaukee makes the most sense. If they go to Quebec or Hamilton, it would wonk up the divisions and conferences. Which I hate so f***ing much. It'll be Houston because of Bettman and Jacobs. They had no problem with realignment from the Thrashers move, and it cost my Blues a heated (though one-sided) rival in the Red Wings. But now it's a bridge too far, because Dipshit McLockout is enamored with market size despite just failing with a mega market the Coyotes entire run. Quebec deserves a team, they have an arena, they will support it through thick and thin like Winnipeg does, but they'll never get even the redheaded, homless stepchild of Gary because he has to prove to be another failure in the Sun Belt. And if he tries to go back to Atlanta, I'm done spending a dime on the product for years.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on May 17, 2023 0:09:50 GMT -5
I’m about to lose my baseball team, so my sympathy goes out to any fans. If they do move, Milwaukee makes the most sense. If they go to Quebec or Hamilton, it would wonk up the divisions and conferences. Which I hate so f***ing much. It'll be Houston because of Bettman and Jacobs. They had no problem with realignment from the Thrashers move, and it cost my Blues a heated (though one-sided) rival in the Red Wings. But now it's a bridge too far, because Dipshit McLockout is enamored with market size despite just failing with a mega market the Coyotes entire run. Quebec deserves a team, they have an arena, they will support it through thick and thin like Winnipeg does, but they'll never get even the redheaded, homless stepchild of Gary because he has to prove to be another failure in the Sun Belt. And if he tries to go back to Atlanta, I'm done spending a dime on the product for years. Has anyone told him more people play hockey in Wisconsin than in Texas? Can’t say who the worst commissioner is. I kept going back and forth between Bettman and Goodell, and now with the shitshow with the A’s, Manfred deserves strong consideration.
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Post by Nosnorb on May 17, 2023 0:29:25 GMT -5
Tempe has rejected the Coyotes' proposals. It is extremely likely if not certain that they are gone. They will probably stay in Arizona, because Bettman is fully committed and dude is balls deep into the sunk-cost fallacy at this stage, and the rest of the league keeps the dumping ground for bad contracts.
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Post by burdette25159 on May 17, 2023 3:38:38 GMT -5
Tempe has rejected the Coyotes' proposals. It is extremely likely if not certain that they are gone. Looks like they're stuck playing home games in a 5000 seat arena for a long time to come unless they either return to the Footprint Center or they end up going to a renovated and restored to its former glory Ye Old Coliseum
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on May 17, 2023 3:43:29 GMT -5
Bettman must be distraught. His pride and joy are so close to being dead.
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Post by mc74 on May 17, 2023 13:04:10 GMT -5
Wouldn't be surprised if Leafs management decides to move on from Dubas. The Leafs may have gotten as far as the second round, but it wasn't because they played well enough to get there. For much of the playoffs, the team's performance was very lacklustre. I still firmly believe had Tampa not let their foot off the gas, the Leafs would've been eliminated in the first round again. The problem is that he's tinkered with this team SO much that you basically HAVE to think that it's the core. He's tried to add experience in guys like Spezza, Thornton, Simmons. He's tried to strengthen the blueline in Brodie and Barrie. They're tried to add some sandpaper in Foligno. Some skill in Kase. And finally this season got a bunch of playoff-type players in Schenn, ROR, and Acciari. A bunch of different goaltenders in Andersen, Mrazek, Campbell, Samsonov, Murray, etc. Nothing has worked. Sometimes Auston shows up, sometimes Marner shows up, sometimes Tavares shows up. This time Rielly played his ass off. But when the chips are down, it's always somebody playing on their own while the rest of the stars not only get left off the scoresheet but seem not all that engaged. I don't know what it is about it, but it's f***in rotten. I've seen it before with the Blues. We had very, very good teams in the early-mid 2010s, but Oshie, Perron, Backes, etc just never put it together in the playoffs for more than 1 series. They blew that up and Oshie ended up having a great playoffs with Washington when they won the cup in 2018, Perron played a huge role with us when he came back in 2019. Sometimes guys just don't work well together and you have to change it up. This is decidedly one of those times. They'll scapegoat Dubas, but he's tried putting a lot of different pieces around them and in the end, it's always the core getting shut down that ends their season. It's always on & off with this team. Some show up some games, but are invisible in others. The team plays good in a few select games, but plays like hot garbage in others. Then of course, the f***ing brainfarts....brutal mistakes that end up costing us games. The inconsistencies with this team are incredibly frustrating, especially when I know they're capable of better, as demonstrated by last year's performance. Last year showed some promise, some hope, but this year, the team regressed back to what they were before. That's what makes the first round victory so bittersweet.
On the topic of management, there's a lot of uncertainty whether he, Shanahan, and Keefe will be back or not. That'll depend on how the job evaluation goes and whether ownership are confident in their ability to right the ship, but as for Dubas, he doesn't even know if he'll be back or not. Should the Leafs decide to let him go, he mentioned he might take some time off. He also mentioned that the job has taken a toll on him.
But if he stays around, he said he's willing to put all the chips on the table.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on May 17, 2023 20:30:33 GMT -5
Come to Sacramento. I’d watch you more than MLS, at least.
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Post by mc74 on May 17, 2023 21:12:28 GMT -5
The NHL approached Suns ownership on the issue to see if they would help accommodate the Yotes. Bettman will find a way to keep the team in Arizona, he always does.
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Post by sfvega on May 17, 2023 21:25:01 GMT -5
The problem is that he's tinkered with this team SO much that you basically HAVE to think that it's the core. He's tried to add experience in guys like Spezza, Thornton, Simmons. He's tried to strengthen the blueline in Brodie and Barrie. They're tried to add some sandpaper in Foligno. Some skill in Kase. And finally this season got a bunch of playoff-type players in Schenn, ROR, and Acciari. A bunch of different goaltenders in Andersen, Mrazek, Campbell, Samsonov, Murray, etc. Nothing has worked. Sometimes Auston shows up, sometimes Marner shows up, sometimes Tavares shows up. This time Rielly played his ass off. But when the chips are down, it's always somebody playing on their own while the rest of the stars not only get left off the scoresheet but seem not all that engaged. I don't know what it is about it, but it's f***in rotten. I've seen it before with the Blues. We had very, very good teams in the early-mid 2010s, but Oshie, Perron, Backes, etc just never put it together in the playoffs for more than 1 series. They blew that up and Oshie ended up having a great playoffs with Washington when they won the cup in 2018, Perron played a huge role with us when he came back in 2019. Sometimes guys just don't work well together and you have to change it up. This is decidedly one of those times. They'll scapegoat Dubas, but he's tried putting a lot of different pieces around them and in the end, it's always the core getting shut down that ends their season. It's always on & off with this team. Some show up some games, but are invisible in others. The team plays good in a few select games, but plays like hot garbage in others. Then of course, the f***ing brainfarts....brutal mistakes that end up costing us games. The inconsistencies with this team are incredibly frustrating, especially when I know they're capable of better, as demonstrated by last year's performance. Last year showed some promise, some hope, but this year, the team regressed back to what they were before. That's what makes the first round victory so bittersweet. On the topic of management, there's a lot of uncertainty whether he, Shanahan, and Keefe will be back or not. That'll depend on how the job evaluation goes and whether ownership are confident in their ability to right the ship, but as for Dubas, he doesn't even know if he'll be back or not. Should the Leafs decide to let him go, he mentioned he might take some time off. He also mentioned that the job has taken a toll on him. But if he stays around, he said he's willing to put all the chips on the table.
I think all roads lead to Nylander being traded. Which is odd, because he was one of your better players in round 2. Matthews is the franchise and you can't trade him unless he tells you he's not re-signing. Marner has such a high cap hit and such short term left that any return on him is going to make you worse. It's hard enough to get good value on a return on him with term, but without term who is going to give up a great package for 2 years? Rielly just played his heart out and was your best player in the playoffs. Murray's contract is still an issue. They've painted themselves into a corner and expected their core to carry them through tight cap years, but they're actually the issue. Nylander is a shoppable cap hit, can return a 1st to turn around and deal and probably an older winger to take his spot in the line-up, you've got Knies coming in as an impact winger, you can buyout Murray.
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Post by mc74 on May 17, 2023 23:34:03 GMT -5
It's always on & off with this team. Some show up some games, but are invisible in others. The team plays good in a few select games, but plays like hot garbage in others. Then of course, the f***ing brainfarts....brutal mistakes that end up costing us games. The inconsistencies with this team are incredibly frustrating, especially when I know they're capable of better, as demonstrated by last year's performance. Last year showed some promise, some hope, but this year, the team regressed back to what they were before. That's what makes the first round victory so bittersweet. On the topic of management, there's a lot of uncertainty whether he, Shanahan, and Keefe will be back or not. That'll depend on how the job evaluation goes and whether ownership are confident in their ability to right the ship, but as for Dubas, he doesn't even know if he'll be back or not. Should the Leafs decide to let him go, he mentioned he might take some time off. He also mentioned that the job has taken a toll on him. But if he stays around, he said he's willing to put all the chips on the table.
I think all roads lead to Nylander being traded. Which is odd, because he was one of your better players in round 2. Matthews is the franchise and you can't trade him unless he tells you he's not re-signing. Marner has such a high cap hit and such short term left that any return on him is going to make you worse. It's hard enough to get good value on a return on him with term, but without term who is going to give up a great package for 2 years? Rielly just played his heart out and was your best player in the playoffs. Murray's contract is still an issue. They've painted themselves into a corner and expected their core to carry them through tight cap years, but they're actually the issue. Nylander is a shoppable cap hit, can return a 1st to turn around and deal and probably an older winger to take his spot in the line-up, you've got Knies coming in as an impact winger, you can buyout Murray. Out of the core four, Nylander's the one most likely to be moved because his contract allows for more wiggle room for it to happen. Personally, I'd rather keep Nylander because he's one of the better talents on this team. Matthews will depend on whether he intends to stay with the team. As far as I know, he's shown interest in remaining in Toronto and desires to get a deal inked before next season. But right now, the 2 prime candidates for trade talks are Matthews & Nylander, the guys whose contracts are set to expire next year.
I don't see Tavares going anywhere. He's made it known he won't be waiving his no-trade clause, and as far as any of the $10M+ players go, it's hard to imagine a scenario where the Leafs move any one of them without taking the L. With contracts like those, you know you're gonna be taking in bad contracts in return to make the deal work. It's a very tough predicament the Leafs are in with this core.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on May 18, 2023 19:47:09 GMT -5
Refs showing they never saw a chance to not call an interference call for the Hurricanes cause idk
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on May 18, 2023 19:52:18 GMT -5
Other team farts in the general direction of the Hurricanes refs "interference"
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on May 18, 2023 22:00:05 GMT -5
Boy the refs trip over themselves to always call interference on non Hurricane players like wow
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on May 18, 2023 23:22:55 GMT -5
Rooting for a Carolina vs. Dallas finals because it would be Brent Burns vs. Joe Pavelski.
Which one of these players who never got the cup with us will finally get that cup.
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Post by jm on May 19, 2023 0:32:19 GMT -5
It's 130am EST, and the Florida Panthers and Carolina Hurricanes are still playing Game 1 of the Eastern Conference Final.
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Post by sfvega on May 19, 2023 0:57:55 GMT -5
Imagine watching a home playoff game through 4OTs and then lose at 2 AM, seconds before another intermission. Good on Carolina though, tons of them stayed all the way through.
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Post by mc74 on May 19, 2023 13:10:01 GMT -5
Dubas has been let go as Leafs GM. Staff also being purged are MacLean, Snowden, and Moore.
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Post by Cyno on May 19, 2023 13:21:47 GMT -5
Glad the Hockey Cats pulled through. If that was the sixth longest game in NHL history, makes me curious how long 1-5 were.
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Post by mc74 on May 19, 2023 13:36:11 GMT -5
Glad the Hockey Cats pulled through. If that was the sixth longest game in NHL history, makes me curious how long 1-5 were. The longest game I've ever seen was the one between Philly and Pittsburgh that went to 5OT. Keith Primeau scored the game winning goal in that one IIRC.
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Post by mc74 on May 19, 2023 18:04:51 GMT -5
This is one heck of a messy divorce. It keeps getting worse.
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