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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Aug 1, 2022 12:07:35 GMT -5
Oh, and why does Cornette hate AEW? What did they do wrong in his eyes? Because it’s not a bunch of junkie muscle men grabbing rest holds for 35 minutes of a 38 minute match. Because his views on wrestling for the most part haven’t evolved since 1986. Because he just plain doesn’t like Omega, the Bucks, and Cassidy. Though he did admit to loving Danhausen’s gimmick/work ethic/commitment to the bit with the caveat he’s never actually watched a match…just promos/vignettes.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Aug 1, 2022 12:34:20 GMT -5
What’s your favorite kind of super kick?
There’s super kick-kabobs, super kick creole, super kick shrimp, super kick lemon shrimp, super kick stew, super kick salad.
That…that’s about it.
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Post by Denny Zen on Aug 1, 2022 12:41:56 GMT -5
Oh, and why does Cornette hate AEW? What did they do wrong in his eyes? What’s your favorite kind of super kick? There’s super kick-kabobs, super kick creole, super kick shrimp, super kick lemon shrimp, super kick stew, super kick salad. That…that’s about it. This post answers that one. Cornette "hates" AEW because this mentality is pervasive, and he knows his audience.
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Post by Stu on Aug 1, 2022 12:53:50 GMT -5
So where is AEW in terms of growth? I won’t presume it’s on WCE’s level. Is it closer to Impact circa 2010?
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Aug 1, 2022 12:59:19 GMT -5
So where is AEW in terms of growth? I won’t presume it’s on WCE’s level. Is it closer to Impact circa 2010? In raw numbers, it's closer to where Impact was in 2010 (a bit lower in live viewership, in fact), but that's a better number in 2022 than Impact's number was in 2010. This nuance drives a lot of very annoying discourse between "Haha, they couldn't even get a million viewers this week" and "But like...that's not very important given the successes they're having." AEW is also a massive success as far as PPV numbers, getting some of the best buyrates since the Monday Night Wars, and doing very well in live ticket sales. In a way, the promotion is very optimized for the original markers of success in wrestling.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Aug 1, 2022 13:01:51 GMT -5
So where is AEW in terms of growth? I won’t presume it’s on WCE’s level. Is it closer to Impact circa 2010? So far seems like it’s a bit below peak WCW. But they’re crushing peak Impact in terms of tickets and buzz, they’re on a larger network for one thing. I’ve seen more AEW t-shirts around town over the past few months than I’ve ever come across TNA (almost never). Looks like they’re steadily chugging along to bigger TV deals in the future.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Aug 1, 2022 13:09:41 GMT -5
So there's been a lot said in here, but I wanted to bring up FTR (FKA in WWE as The Revival) who are having the best run as a tag team in...who the hell even knows when. They went from asshole heels to the faciest faces since the Rock and Roll Express, hold tag titles in 3 different major promotions (NJPW, ROH, and AAA) and have been putting on some of the best matches in history.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Aug 1, 2022 13:10:11 GMT -5
So where is AEW in terms of growth? I won’t presume it’s on WCE’s level. Is it closer to Impact circa 2010? In raw numbers, it's closer to where Impact was in 2010 (a bit lower in live viewership, in fact), but that's a better number in 2022 than Impact's number was in 2010. This nuance drives a lot of very annoying discourse between "Haha, they couldn't even get a million viewers this week" and "But like...that's not very important given the successes they're having." AEW is also a massive success as far as PPV numbers, getting some of the best buyrates since the Monday Night Wars, and doing very well in live ticket sales. In a way, the promotion is very optimized for the original markers of success in wrestling. OH RIGHT, THE DEMOS! It's been a while since we've had a stupid argument about the demos (at least that I've noticed), but here goes: one of the reasons AEW was considered more successful than NXT when the two went head-to-head was that AEW did better in the demographics that the networks pay more money for success in, IE, males aged 18-49. And in fact, if you go by the more prized demos (AKA anyone under 50), a good week for Dynamite is sometimes competitive with a bad week for Raw. Arguments about this measure of success tend to center on whether a demo victory (when the show otherwise didn't win the night) should even be considered a victory. That said, I think it's also relevant to the TNA comparison that, for the most part, WWE's overall numbers are way bigger than AEW, but the number of teens and young adults watching WWE vs. AEW are closer to even. So if you consider that the odds of a wrestling fan in middle school being a fan of one or the other are more like 60% WWE/40% AEW, you get a better sense of how AEW has made a bigger impact than, uh, Impact ever did.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Aug 1, 2022 13:14:46 GMT -5
I would say AEW operates in a weird place business wise. Lower viewership numbers than WCW/Impact but obviously part of that is viewership across the board (outside the NFL) is significantly down. They're often in the top five for cable which Impact rarely did. They also have done a better job converting cable viewership into paying customers than almost any other American predecessor.
In terms of the women's division, I think the issue often ends up being week to week booking. Not enough time devoted towards building stars and programs tend to stagnate and miss their peak. I will say they often build to epic finales pretty well and their big matches often hit.
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Post by Bo Rida on Aug 1, 2022 13:43:46 GMT -5
Business wise aew does better than WWE in some countries depending on what you measure and how selectively. Also airs on NJPW world in Japan, some matches are also on wrestle universe if their wrestlers appear. Their wrestlers also feature in AAA.
Other things. Hook is Taz's son, was a mute meme that did nothing for a year then turned out to be amazing. Taz is proud, JR talks nonsense,.Excalibur talks fast, Regal flirts with Excalibur and Tony is beloved but needs to cut the shit.
There's hardly ever a dq or count out.
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Post by Cyno on Aug 1, 2022 14:49:41 GMT -5
In raw numbers, it's closer to where Impact was in 2010 (a bit lower in live viewership, in fact), but that's a better number in 2022 than Impact's number was in 2010. This nuance drives a lot of very annoying discourse between "Haha, they couldn't even get a million viewers this week" and "But like...that's not very important given the successes they're having." AEW is also a massive success as far as PPV numbers, getting some of the best buyrates since the Monday Night Wars, and doing very well in live ticket sales. In a way, the promotion is very optimized for the original markers of success in wrestling. OH RIGHT, THE DEMOS! It's been a while since we've had a stupid argument about the demos (at least that I've noticed), but here goes: one of the reasons AEW was considered more successful than NXT when the two went head-to-head was that AEW did better in the demographics that the networks pay more money for success in, IE, males aged 18-49. And in fact, if you go by the more prized demos (AKA anyone under 50), a good week for Dynamite is sometimes competitive with a bad week for Raw. Arguments about this measure of success tend to center on whether a demo victory (when the show otherwise didn't win the night) should even be considered a victory. That said, I think it's also relevant to the TNA comparison that, for the most part, WWE's overall numbers are way bigger than AEW, but the number of teens and young adults watching WWE vs. AEW are closer to even. So if you consider that the odds of a wrestling fan in middle school being a fan of one or the other are more like 60% WWE/40% AEW, you get a better sense of how AEW has made a bigger impact than, uh, Impact ever did. It's because the media landscape in 2022 is very different from 2010 and especially the 90s. P2+ live viewership becomes an increasingly insignificant statistic for measuring how popular something is because there's so many other ways to consume content outside of live television. Outside of stat nerd stuff, 18-49 is the only number that really matters because that drives what sponsors are willing to pay for advertising. It's why, as far as ratings go, Dynamite (and Raw for that matter) is ranked higher than talking head shows that regularly do over 2-3 million in P2+. WWE is more popular than AEW, but as far as live TV viewership goes, most of the individual demo numbers are closer than you'd expect. The big difference is usually 50+ and AEW doesn't market its program towards that demo so it's a big shrug. And yeah, outside of live TV viewership, AEW creams all the other post-WCW alternative promotions. Ticket sales, merch sales, ppv buys (made all the more impressive that ppv as a format is becoming obsolete), etc. They're doing great there. TNA might've regularly gotten 1.1 million viewers on Spike TV in its heyday, but it never sold out venues as big as the United Center, LA Forum, or Arthur Ashe Stadium. AEW's first ever PPV also did more PPV buys than any TNA event (except maybe one or two of the top performers) and they've only grown from there.
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Post by Defrebel - White Pony on Aug 1, 2022 14:59:55 GMT -5
It's like Hollywood with a touch of twang
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Post by mrbananagrabber on Aug 1, 2022 15:00:27 GMT -5
I take it this thread is given a pass on the JC rule because it’s a mod and they’re specifically asking about him? Yes? I’m not going to get booted for this? You promise?
As someone who listens to the show, Cornette hates anything goofy, AEW and WWE included there, and gets frustrated that the guys with potential aren’t given enough to do. He loves Punk, Danielson, MJF, Wardlow, Hobbs and Stark, FTR and a few others. So it’s not that he “hates” AEW, just has no time for the smaller indie-riffic guys and anything stupid like Broken Matt Hardy that he sees as shitting on the business. Matches that have no in-ring storytelling and are just endless spot-fests with no selling or psychology or adherence to the rules (he counted over three minutes when two guys were fighting outside the ring without being counted out, that sort of thing).
In fact, Tony Khan himself says he’s always looked up to Cornette (even offered him a job at the start which Jim turned down when he heard who was going to be involved).
It’s more interesting listening to him talk about stuff he likes and would improve on than just trotting out the Pockets, Twinkletoes McFingerbang catchphrases.
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Aug 1, 2022 15:27:08 GMT -5
Brody King (House of Black) is the vocalist in a long established east coast hardcore/metalcore band called God’s Hate. He does shit like this…. https://www.instagram.com/reel/CgudUTCpF6B Brody is a very large man.
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Post by Dub H on Aug 1, 2022 15:30:27 GMT -5
I take it this thread is given a pass on the JC rule because it’s a mod and they’re specifically asking about him? Yes? I’m not going to get booted for this? You promise? As someone who listens to the show, Cornette hates anything goofy, AEW and WWE included there, and gets frustrated that the guys with potential aren’t given enough to do. He loves Punk, Danielson, MJF, Wardlow, Hobbs and Stark, FTR and a few others. So it’s not that he “hates” AEW, just has no time for the smaller indie-riffic guys and anything stupid like Broken Matt Hardy that he sees as shitting on the business. Matches that have no in-ring storytelling and are just endless spot-fests with no selling or psychology or adherence to the rules (he counted over three minutes when two guys were fighting outside the ring without being counted out, that sort of thing). In fact, Tony Khan himself says he’s always looked up to Cornette (even offered him a job at the start which Jim turned down when he heard who was going to be involved). It’s more interesting listening to him talk about stuff he likes and would improve on than just trotting out the Pockets, Twinkletoes McFingerbang catchphrases. According to Cornette,a notable unreliable source when it comes to AEW
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Post by Stu on Aug 1, 2022 15:32:23 GMT -5
Alright, forget I asked about Cornette.
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Aug 1, 2022 15:33:43 GMT -5
Alright, forget I asked about Cornette. That why I got my response to that topic in quick…I knew it was gonna go bad quick. But, yeah, fair to shut it down. I think you’ve more than got your answer on that specific point.
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Post by Stu on Aug 1, 2022 15:35:45 GMT -5
Alright, forget I asked about Cornette. That why I got my response to that topic in quick…I knew it was gonna go bad quick. But, yeah, fair to shut it down. I think you’ve more than got your answer on that specific point. Yeah, let's move on. So have Orange Cassidy and Danhausen hung out?
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Aug 1, 2022 15:36:42 GMT -5
That why I got my response to that topic in quick…I knew it was gonna go bad quick. But, yeah, fair to shut it down. I think you’ve more than got your answer on that specific point. Yeah, let's move on. So have Orange Cassidy and Danhausen hung out? Oh yes. Yes they have. Go look up the Wardlow/OC TNT title match
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Post by Dub H on Aug 1, 2022 15:39:16 GMT -5
That why I got my response to that topic in quick…I knew it was gonna go bad quick. But, yeah, fair to shut it down. I think you’ve more than got your answer on that specific point. Yeah, let's move on. So have Orange Cassidy and Danhausen hung out? Danhausen debuted "interfering" in a OC match against Adam Cole( which was basically just cursing him) And he they hang out a little before OC got injured and Danhausen got involved with HOOK as a (very popular) Plan B. So right now he is loosely affiliated to OC & Hook when the story calls for it.
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