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Post by nickcave on Sept 2, 2022 15:50:47 GMT -5
Didn't he become Val Venis again after being Chief Morley entirely so he could be in the former Intercontinental Champions battle royal (because I guess the name matters?) only to get eliminated under halfway through it anyway? If that was the legit reason he went back to being Val that's even sillier because they had Booker T in that battle royale without realizing he had never actually been IC champ
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Post by agent817 on Sept 2, 2022 15:53:05 GMT -5
It's still probably more dignified than when he was The Big Valbowski for awhile and essentially doing the pornstar gimmick in an entirely wink-wink-nudge-nudge way. Are you talking about when he brought that gimmick back in the early-2000s (I think in 2001-2002)? The thing I mostly remember from that time was when he had this attractive woman come out from the crowd and they kissed and she unbuttoned her shirt.
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Sept 2, 2022 17:02:46 GMT -5
I'm mad that they re-named him the "GoOd Father" but we never got vignettes of him taking his son to baseball games and teaching him how to talk to girls/deal with bullies
On the plus side, RTC gave us "Stern School Teacher" Ivory
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Sept 2, 2022 17:17:06 GMT -5
"Yo, Val, didn't you get the memo about the black pants?" It was weird, he would occasionally wear the black, but also occasionally go with the white/white ensemble that totally made him look like an ice cream man: Taker wearing a Yokozuna shirt. Never noticed that before. lol This was probably right after Yoko's death.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Sept 2, 2022 18:48:41 GMT -5
"Yo, Val, didn't you get the memo about the black pants?" It was weird, he would occasionally wear the black, but also occasionally go with the white/white ensemble that totally made him look like an ice cream man: Taker wearing a Yokozuna shirt. Never noticed that before. lol Timing wise, that's probably right around the time Yoko died so it makes sense. Yoko and Taker were close friends It's probably just because Blue Thunder Powerbombs are really cool. When I was back yard wrestling, I actually used the Blue Thunder Bomb as my finish at first before it became a transition and I started using the Diamond Cutter.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Sept 2, 2022 18:50:23 GMT -5
Taker wearing a Yokozuna shirt. Never noticed that before. lol This was probably right after Yoko's death. Whoops, didn't even notice the second page let alone that you already posted what I said in the next post. My bad
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Post by Psicofreak667 on Sept 2, 2022 19:17:00 GMT -5
It's funny, I swear I remember the IWC liking white trunks Val at the time and thinking he could be pushed as a lower tier main eventer with a no-gimmick-needed gimmick. Maybe that was exclusive to the GameFAQS pro wrestling forums? Maybe it was just a vocal minority i.e. the people who think Attitude Era Bossman was great?
Anyway, if I remember right, Sean Morley lost some kind of career vs career match against Steve Austin, the next week Austin said Morley had lost a career vs career match but Val Venis hadn't, so out he comes as Val Venis and then goes straight onto jobber-to-the-stars duty for several years before finally being released.
And lastly, I think him using The Big Valboski as his main name was a UPN decree, because Billy Gunn had to make Mister Ass his main name around the same time.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Sept 2, 2022 20:11:39 GMT -5
Didn't he become Val Venis again after being Chief Morley entirely so he could be in the former Intercontinental Champions battle royal (because I guess the name matters?) only to get eliminated under halfway through it anyway? If that was the legit reason he went back to being Val that's even sillier because they had Booker T in that battle royale without realizing he had never actually been IC champ They did acknowledge that Booker had never been IC champ. Austin put him in the battle royal anyway as a face gm move.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Sept 2, 2022 22:23:34 GMT -5
If that was the legit reason he went back to being Val that's even sillier because they had Booker T in that battle royale without realizing he had never actually been IC champ They did acknowledge that Booker had never been IC champ. Austin put him in the battle royal anyway as a face gm move. They had Teddy Long back when he was running Thuggin' and Buggin' Enterprises, pointing out there weren't any black wrestlers in the battle royal, hoping to get Rodney Mack into the field. Austin put Booker in the battle royal in response.
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Post by tirtefaa on Sept 3, 2022 2:46:45 GMT -5
Yet the irony is that 2000 was his most successful period in terms of championships, having that IC run with Trish as his manager. This happened a LOT. Billy Gunn was another guy they revamped and pushed hard in 2000, only for him to not be nearly as over as "The One" and quickly dropped the IC title. Albert in 2001 won the IC title in 2001 as a member of X-Factor, beating Kane with assistance from DDP. It feels so bizarre even writing that sentence, but this was his biggest championship moment in WWE. Not the same thing, but Texas Tornado winning the IC title instead of Brutus Beefcake was also always a head scratcher.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Sept 3, 2022 3:23:34 GMT -5
Yet the irony is that 2000 was his most successful period in terms of championships, having that IC run with Trish as his manager. This happened a LOT. Billy Gunn was another guy they revamped and pushed hard in 2000, only for him to not be nearly as over as "The One" and quickly dropped the IC title. Albert in 2001 won the IC title in 2001 as a member of X-Factor, beating Kane with assistance from DDP. It feels so bizarre even writing that sentence, but this was his biggest championship moment in WWE. Not the same thing, but Texas Tornado winning the IC title instead of Brutus Beefcake was also always a head scratcher. Well, by the time Tornado was in, Brutus had his accident, he might have gotten that run considering he ended Perfects undefeated run, but Kerry was a big star, no surprise he'd get a huge push straight away even if it didn't quite work out.
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Post by tirtefaa on Sept 3, 2022 4:31:25 GMT -5
Well, by the time Tornado was in, Brutus had his accident, he might have gotten that run considering he ended Perfects undefeated run, but Kerry was a big star, no surprise he'd get a huge push straight away even if it didn't quite work out. You're right. I always forget that Bass spurred Beefcake right before SummerSlam '88, not SummerSlam '90. But hey, Warrior beating HTM was more memorable..just bad luck for Beefcake both times.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Sept 3, 2022 7:07:09 GMT -5
Well, by the time Tornado was in, Brutus had his accident, he might have gotten that run considering he ended Perfects undefeated run, but Kerry was a big star, no surprise he'd get a huge push straight away even if it didn't quite work out. You're right. I always forget that Bass spurred Beefcake right before SummerSlam '88, not SummerSlam '90. But hey, Warrior beating HTM was more memorable..just bad luck for Beefcake both times. Yeah, as much of a joke as he later became, Beefcake had a good couple of years where he was a real star on merit, he was never the same after the injury, which you can't really blame the guy for.
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Post by sungod2020 on Oct 2, 2022 10:00:01 GMT -5
Two weeks before joining The Right to Censor, Val Venis actually cut a legit no-nonsense promo against the group, and the fans rallied behind him. It looked like they were about to get his non-pornstar character going, but then immediately afterward it was halted and became another RTC lackey.
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Post by 4real on Oct 2, 2022 11:09:54 GMT -5
Remember thinking he was going to get a big push when RTC recruited him. Think he got a title match on Smackdown once but that was about it.
He was dull by 2000 though. Remember not being into his heel run pre RTC at all.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Oct 2, 2022 11:29:31 GMT -5
I think he would've benefit from a WCW run at this time.
Feuding with guys like Lance Storm and Buff over the US title would be good for him.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Oct 2, 2022 13:08:32 GMT -5
I don't think the idea of "reformed pornstar" is a bad one for that era, it's insta-heat with the rowdy male crowd, but this to me was definitely the end of Val Venis. He lasted long (heh), like WAY longer than people realize, wrestling on Heat in his little green trunks all the way into 2009 somehow. That's a decade of being in WWE and practically unheard of outside of some of the more established main event level guys from the Attitude Era. He went from WWE's raunchiest era to its tamest with PG.
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Post by msc on Oct 2, 2022 17:33:15 GMT -5
Funnily enough, his Serious Val Venis feud with Rikishi is the only time I ever cared about the guy!
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Oct 2, 2022 17:48:47 GMT -5
Funnily enough, his Serious Val Venis feud with Rikishi is the only time I ever cared about the guy! If nothing else, he was brave enough to take that Rikishi splash off the top of the cage
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Post by msc on Oct 2, 2022 17:53:01 GMT -5
Funnily enough, his Serious Val Venis feud with Rikishi is the only time I ever cared about the guy! If nothing else, he was brave enough to take that Rikishi splash off the top of the cage And the Rikishi legdrop (?) off the stage too. Surprisingly bloody feud between those two.
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