El Pollo Guerrera
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Post by El Pollo Guerrera on Oct 10, 2022 12:27:17 GMT -5
Every time I start thinking about how Brody would show up in the WWF, I keep hitting this brick wall of how Vince would "repackage" everyone... and I just don't know how Vince would do that and how Brody would accept it.
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Oct 10, 2022 12:30:53 GMT -5
Also take into account how he didn't like losing... because "they'll see it in Japan". If he's not going here to earn one last payday before retirement, it was never happening. He's not going to lose to Warrior, Jake, Hogan, or anyone else and then head to Japan. WWF got the second rate Brody clone..who had the seal of approval by Brody himself. Were WWF fans at the time blown away? Well, again, even people close to Brody like Gary Hart said he was ready to do business and do the job to Hogan for the kind of money it would bring, plus everything he could still make in Japan. Let’s face it, jobbing to Hogan on a PPV is pretty different from jobbing to Greg Gagne in a middling arena in Minnesota. Also, comparing Berzerker to Brody is like comparing Renegade to Ultimate Warrior or “Nature Boy” Paul Lee to Ric Flair. Yes, there were surface similarities but that’s as far as it goes. Wasn't Hogan also still seen as God like in Japan?
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Post by eudypfohl on Oct 11, 2022 23:33:00 GMT -5
It would've had no impact on Warrior/Hogan
Hogan/Brody certainly works from the standpoint that he could be the big, ruthless monster heel that threatens Hogan only for Hulk to rally and overcome the odds. I just dont really believe this was ever in the cards or come to fruition
Vince I think would've been very VERY wary of bringing Brody in and building even a relatively short program and payoff match around Brody. No doubt he knew how unrealiable he was and how he could be a pain to deal with regarding $. The last thing he'd want is to get the ball rolling on something only for Brody to start raising hell about payoffs, not turning up, going off script in the ring. Vince could no doubt pay Brody what he wanted but that didnt mean it would all be smooth sailing from there on in. Hulk was the WWF's cash cow at the time and I feel that he thought risking his most valuable assets reputation and popularity in a feud with someone who isn't afraid to do what he wants and sabotage it all just wasnt worth dealing with
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Post by eudypfohl on Oct 11, 2022 23:43:30 GMT -5
Every time I start thinking about how Brody would show up in the WWF, I keep hitting this brick wall of how Vince would "repackage" everyone... and I just don't know how Vince would do that and how Brody would accept it. It flat out wouldn't happen if Brody didn't want it to. This is something that should be worked out before he appeared on WWF TV for the first time...I'm sure it would be discussed in meetings with Vince. If he were to bring him in and then approach him with potential gear changes as if he were just another one of his wrestlers...it just wouldn't be very savvy of Vince.
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 11, 2022 23:52:43 GMT -5
Also take into account how he didn't like losing... because "they'll see it in Japan". If he's not going here to earn one last payday before retirement, it was never happening. He's not going to lose to Warrior, Jake, Hogan, or anyone else and then head to Japan. WWF got the second rate Brody clone..who had the seal of approval by Brody himself. Were WWF fans at the time blown away? Well, again, even people close to Brody like Gary Hart said he was ready to do business and do the job to Hogan for the kind of money it would bring, plus everything he could still make in Japan. Let’s face it, jobbing to Hogan on a PPV is pretty different from jobbing to Greg Gagne in a middling arena in Minnesota. Also, comparing Berzerker to Brody is like comparing Renegade to Ultimate Warrior or “Nature Boy” Paul Lee to Ric Flair. Yes, there were surface similarities but that’s as far as it goes. Yeah, it's worth remembering that Hulk Hogan was a huge star in Japan and his name held currency there. Losing to Hogan was decidedly less damaging than losing to someone with no name value in Japan.
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 11, 2022 23:56:08 GMT -5
Well, again, even people close to Brody like Gary Hart said he was ready to do business and do the job to Hogan for the kind of money it would bring, plus everything he could still make in Japan. Let’s face it, jobbing to Hogan on a PPV is pretty different from jobbing to Greg Gagne in a middling arena in Minnesota. Also, comparing Berzerker to Brody is like comparing Renegade to Ultimate Warrior or “Nature Boy” Paul Lee to Ric Flair. Yes, there were surface similarities but that’s as far as it goes. Wasn't Hogan also still seen as God like in Japan? God's probably a strong word, but he was an A-lister, for sure, having been Inoki's rival and with big wins. Hogan made enough money in Japan that it was one of the reasons he had leverage in his conflict with Verne Gagne, so yeah, he was plenty known in Japan and had credibility there.
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Oct 12, 2022 0:09:50 GMT -5
Wasn't Hogan also still seen as God like in Japan? God's probably a strong word, but he was an A-lister, for sure, having been Inoki's rival and with big wins. Hogan made enough money in Japan that it was one of the reasons he had leverage in his conflict with Verne Gagne, so yeah, he was plenty known in Japan and had credibility there. Yea. My main point was, Brody losing to Hogan wouldn't hurt him in Japan.
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Post by malloc on Oct 12, 2022 1:31:39 GMT -5
Brody would never do anything to jeopardize a big payday, his main issue was with small time promoters that were trying to take advantage of the wrestlers with shit pay/promises. Not to say that everything that he ever did was justified, but he knew the score when it came to Hogan and the WWF. He’d come in and get a big payday, ultimately lose and then he’d be gone again, I could see him coming in right after WM 5 as Hogan’s next challenger, maybe not do the Zeus stuff or at least shorten it significantly. Brody/Hogan at SummerSlam and as part of a Survivor Series team. Maybe he’s in the Rumble and then probably back to Japan. What if Brody had been in the film instead of Tiny Lister?
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Post by Feyrhausen on Oct 12, 2022 5:25:23 GMT -5
It would've had no impact on Warrior/Hogan Hogan/Brody certainly works from the standpoint that he could be the big, ruthless monster heel that threatens Hogan only for Hulk to rally and overcome the odds. I just dont really believe this was ever in the cards or come to fruition Vince I think would've been very VERY wary of bringing Brody in and building even a relatively short program and payoff match around Brody. No doubt he knew how unrealiable he was and how he could be a pain to deal with regarding $. The last thing he'd want is to get the ball rolling on something only for Brody to start raising hell about payoffs, not turning up, going off script in the ring. Vince could no doubt pay Brody what he wanted but that didnt mean it would all be smooth sailing from there on in. Hulk was the WWF's cash cow at the time and I feel that he thought risking his most valuable assets reputation and popularity in a feud with someone who isn't afraid to do what he wants and sabotage it all just wasnt worth dealing with From listening to Arn talk about his WWF days he says the boys were being shorted on payoffs. He and Tully made less than Crockett. Probably Vince getting ready to sink a lot of money into the WBF. So maybe not the time to bring in someone like Brody.
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Post by sungod2020 on Oct 14, 2022 18:34:56 GMT -5
On a slightly unrelated note, for someone who had a reputation of not wanting to put people over, how did he end up getting all those scars on his forehead?
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Post by XIII on Oct 14, 2022 18:40:49 GMT -5
On a slightly unrelated note, for someone who had a reputation of not wanting to put people over, how did he end up getting all those scars on his forehead? This almost certainly has to do with Abdullah the Butcher. lol Abby had no skills so if you were against him you had to brawl and bleed.
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Post by sportatorium on Oct 14, 2022 19:07:55 GMT -5
I believe that Vince would have thrown enough money at Brody and he knew what a draw Hogan was, so I don't think they would have had trouble. Brody's problems with promoters was usually a case of him deciding to screw them before they screwed him. Similar to Fritz giving him the book in Dallas, Vince could have worked with Brody.
For Brody, it would have been light work too. No trips to Puerto Rico & Japan. Probably no blading, just bumping around on Hogan's comeback & eating a pin. They could have given him programs with Andre, Jake, Piper & other guys that he worked in territories. Him as a monster heel working Steamboat or being the guy to collect the bounty on Orndorff could have been great.
I could see Randy Savage getting on his nerves and a program with Warrior would have been a disaster.
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Post by hassanchop on Oct 14, 2022 22:45:16 GMT -5
He was close friends with Bad News Brown, could he have convinced him to stay a little longer?
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 14, 2022 23:19:06 GMT -5
It would've had no impact on Warrior/Hogan Hogan/Brody certainly works from the standpoint that he could be the big, ruthless monster heel that threatens Hogan only for Hulk to rally and overcome the odds. I just dont really believe this was ever in the cards or come to fruition Vince I think would've been very VERY wary of bringing Brody in and building even a relatively short program and payoff match around Brody. No doubt he knew how unrealiable he was and how he could be a pain to deal with regarding $. The last thing he'd want is to get the ball rolling on something only for Brody to start raising hell about payoffs, not turning up, going off script in the ring. Vince could no doubt pay Brody what he wanted but that didnt mean it would all be smooth sailing from there on in. Hulk was the WWF's cash cow at the time and I feel that he thought risking his most valuable assets reputation and popularity in a feud with someone who isn't afraid to do what he wants and sabotage it all just wasnt worth dealing with From listening to Arn talk about his WWF days he says the boys were being shorted on payoffs. He and Tully made less than Crockett. Probably Vince getting ready to sink a lot of money into the WBF. So maybe not the time to bring in someone like Brody. They weren't working Hogan, though, and wouldn't have been making Hogan opponent money. I'm sure Brody would have been making considerably more than them, albeit for like a few months until the angle ended.
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Post by Squirrel Master on Oct 15, 2022 23:51:23 GMT -5
After a Hogan feud Brody would earn the love of the WWF fans and could have had a long career backstage. Frank Goodish had a great mind for the business so one could only imagine an alternate universe with a retired Brody encamped in Vince McMahon’s inner circle, collaborating closely with Pat Patterson, Hogan, Savage, Bobby Heenan, Gorilla Monsoon…
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Post by J. Hova on Oct 16, 2022 1:46:04 GMT -5
Frank Goodish was a businessman. His product was the Bruiser Brody persona. He'd have been a fool to screw up his biggest paydays. He'd still make money in Japan, PR, or since WCW loved to poach anyone who had been on WWF TV, there for a program with Sting.
I don't know if Vince would have repackaged him. He's signing Brody to be a monster, why change that? He would have toned him down. Very little or no blood and no brawling in the crowd, but it isn't like Brody is going out there in clown makeup and kissing babies.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Oct 16, 2022 5:22:51 GMT -5
Repackaging Brody, hmmm?
How about giving him a helmet, sword, shield and Mr Fuji as a manager. Instant success!
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