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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 18, 2022 20:13:12 GMT -5
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Post by XIII on Oct 18, 2022 20:15:29 GMT -5
Belly to belly driver. Ouch. lol
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Oct 18, 2022 23:28:48 GMT -5
Apparently these two weren't fond of each other behind the scenes and this wasn't an accident. I think in a shoot interview Max said he was tired of the Nasties being selfish and trying to eat him and Foley up during their matches as well as them just kind of being jerks in general and had enough saying something to the effects of "I'm getting my s**t in tonight and you can go with it or I'm just going to take it".
If you watch that match Max and Knobbs start I think the first move of the match Max shoots behind him really fast and gives him a release German Suplex that also looked pretty stiff although not nearly as horrific as that belly to belly in the clip. Knobbs seemed legit rattled and taken aback by it as then tagged out immediately to Sags. You could tell that Max wasn't messing around. He actually was a pretty good collegiate wrestler at Iowa and combine that with the fact that he was a mountain of a man (har har) at about 6'6" and 350 pounds he wasn't someone to mese with.
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Post by jason1980s on Oct 19, 2022 0:07:08 GMT -5
Maxx was gone three PPVs later from WCW. He had an appearance on Slamboree but was replaced by Sullivan in the match. I wonder if it had anything to do with how he and Nasty Boys got along. It was probably their fault given their reputations but in the end Maxx was just another in the long line of WCW gimmick guys who would only last less than 2 years.
I always liked Maxx and even Man Mountain Rock. The gimmicks were cool but I guess really didn't fit well with wrestling at the time and I'm sure he wasn't a guy who really could play politics that was needed at the time.
That video about reminds me a little of the Brock/Bob Holly match like Knobs is not willing to go with the move at all and kind of pays for it.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Oct 19, 2022 0:16:01 GMT -5
Maxx was gone three PPVs later from WCW. He had an appearance on Slamboree but was replaced by Sullivan in the match. I wonder if it had anything to do with how he and Nasty Boys got along. It was probably their fault given their reputations but in the end Maxx was just another in the long line of WCW gimmick guys who would only last less than 2 years. I always liked Maxx and even Man Mountain Rock. The gimmicks were cool but I guess really didn't fit well with wrestling at the time and I'm sure he wasn't a guy who really could play politics that was needed at the time. That video about reminds me a little of the Brock/Bob Holly match like Knobs is not willing to go with the move at all and kind of pays for it. Sullivan was actually always supposed to be in the match. It was originally supposed to be the Nasties against the Sullivan Brothers (Kevin and Dave) as they transitioned into a feud with them after the Spring Stampede Chicago Street Fight which was supposed to be the blow off to their feud with Cactus and Maxx. It was actually a cool angle where the Nasties teamed with the Equalizer (which was what Dave Sullivan was originally known as) in a six man enhancement match but never tagged him in and then beat him up afterwards. Afterwards Equalizer then said he was bringing in his "big" brother to get revenge. It then ended up being Kevin who looked like Equalizer but about a foot shorter. However Evad ended up blowing his knee out for real and needed to be replaced. Cactus (who was originally supposed to take time off after Spring Stampede to heal up after losing his ear in a match with Vader in Germany) took his spot since he had just been feuding the Nasties anyways and had previously teamed with Kevin during his short first run in WCW in 89-90.
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Post by XIII on Oct 19, 2022 15:30:01 GMT -5
Apparently these two weren't fond of each other behind the scenes and this wasn't an accident. I think in a shoot interview Max said he was tired of the Nasties being selfish and trying to eat him and Foley up during their matches as well as them just kind of being jerks in general and had enough saying something to the effects of "I'm getting my s**t in tonight and you can go with it or I'm just going to take it". If you watch that match Max and Knobbs start I think the first move of the match Max shoots behind him really fast and gives him a release German Suplex that also looked pretty stiff although not nearly as horrific as that belly to belly in the clip. Knobbs seemed legit rattled and taken aback by it as then tagged out immediately to Sags. You could tell that Max wasn't messing around. He actually was a pretty good collegiate wrestler at Iowa and combine that with the fact that he was a mountain of a man (har har) at about 6'6" and 350 pounds he wasn't someone to mese with. Good. More people should have been stiffing those two clowns.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Oct 19, 2022 16:02:43 GMT -5
How dumb do you need to be to take liberties with a guy the size of Maxx Payne? Dumb enough to try and take liberties with a guy the size of Scott Hall, or Drew McIntyre, I guess.
I will say this for that pair of idiots, they're not like JBL who'll only go after easy targets, they're scumbags across the board.
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Post by ISO Mid Thigh Pull on Oct 19, 2022 16:22:12 GMT -5
God damn dude probably woke up in Pity City after that
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Oct 20, 2022 9:33:52 GMT -5
Ouch. Folded like an accordion.
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Post by Mecca on Oct 20, 2022 9:42:52 GMT -5
Man where is his video about backstage WWF, I want that.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Oct 20, 2022 10:10:40 GMT -5
Man where is his video about backstage WWF, I want that. The guys he has footage of stoned out of their gourds and being pricks didn't sign any sort of release so have threatened to sue if he ever releases the footage so that's that.
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Post by Mecca on Oct 20, 2022 10:37:07 GMT -5
Man where is his video about backstage WWF, I want that. The guys he has footage of stoned out of their gourds and being pricks didn't sign any sort of release so have threatened to sue if he ever releases the footage so that's that. Man those puds, that video looked interesting!
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 20, 2022 10:59:28 GMT -5
I don't care what liberties the Nastys were taking, dropping them on their neck is uncool
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Post by jason1980s on Oct 23, 2022 18:38:48 GMT -5
Sags always seemed like the more level headed of the two though he probably had his bad moments. I even remember meeting them in 98 and my grandfather telling Sags something like he must be in charge of the team (not kayfabe, like legit Sags was more business like and wanted to get down to business). I remember seeing them in 2007 and Sags lost a lot of weight and still seemed much more serious in dealing with fans.
A few years ago Knobs seemed to do a few solo bookings with Greg Valentine and a fan was pretty pissed when Knobs got a hold of the fans carded LJN of Greg and threw it down on on the signing table and with how fragile the card/bubbles are the figure separated from the card and was now a loose toy.
I know Knobs has had some serious health problems lately which is sad. From my experience both guys were always fan friendly. It never seemed like they tried to take liberties to hurt jobbers, I don't even remember what their finishing move was. But knowingly not cooperating to put Maxx in a bad spot is unfortunately going to lead to a move that could potentially hurt Knobs. If Maxx can't do the move, he will look like crap and fans will crap on him and he will look bad to the other wrestlers. If he goes through with the move and Knobs won't cooperate and it hurts Knobs then he's in trouble. It's lose-lose and really all Knobs' fault.
As a kid and adult I always like(d) the Nasty Boys. They were probably more suited to WWF but they did better in WCW. There was like a 3 year period where they were on and off again either tag champs or in title contention. It was like only them and Harlem Heat as regular tag teams and then mostly random guys put together until Steiners and LOD came in, from what I remember.
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Oct 24, 2022 2:41:05 GMT -5
Sags always seemed like the more level headed of the two though he probably had his bad moments. I even remember meeting them in 98 and my grandfather telling Sags something like he must be in charge of the team (not kayfabe, like legit Sags was more business like and wanted to get down to business). I remember seeing them in 2007 and Sags lost a lot of weight and still seemed much more serious in dealing with fans. A few years ago Knobs seemed to do a few solo bookings with Greg Valentine and a fan was pretty pissed when Knobs got a hold of the fans carded LJN of Greg and threw it down on on the signing table and with how fragile the card/bubbles are the figure separated from the card and was now a loose toy. I know Knobs has had some serious health problems lately which is sad. From my experience both guys were always fan friendly. It never seemed like they tried to take liberties to hurt jobbers, I don't even remember what their finishing move was. But knowingly not cooperating to put Maxx in a bad spot is unfortunately going to lead to a move that could potentially hurt Knobs. If Maxx can't do the move, he will look like crap and fans will crap on him and he will look bad to the other wrestlers. If he goes through with the move and Knobs won't cooperate and it hurts Knobs then he's in trouble. It's lose-lose and really all Knobs' fault. As a kid and adult I always like(d) the Nasty Boys. They were probably more suited to WWF but they did better in WCW. There was like a 3 year period where they were on and off again either tag champs or in title contention. It was like only them and Harlem Heat as regular tag teams and then mostly random guys put together until Steiners and LOD came in, from what I remember. I would have been livid about the LJN figure. Do you know how they remedied that situation? I don't know what an unopened Valentine LJN goes for but I assume a few hundred dollars IF you can even find one. Their finisher was a Knobbs powerslam followed by Saggs dropping an elbow off the top rope. Saggs was Dusty's brother in law. Between that and how close the Nasties were to Hogan (is Hogan close to both of them or just Knobbs?) I always figured that is why the Nasties had that 3 year run in mid 90's WCW.
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Oct 24, 2022 2:50:09 GMT -5
According to Maxx himself this move was the beginning of the end for him in WCW. I heard Maxx on the Breaking Kayfabe podcast earlier this year and Maxx says that when Hogan came in that June the Nasties buried him to Hogan and Maxx was released shortly after. Not sure how true this is but the time lines do match up. Maxx is last seen in May, a few weeks later Hogan is there and shortly after that Maxx is out of work.
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Oct 24, 2022 2:54:49 GMT -5
How dumb do you need to be to take liberties with a guy the size of Maxx Payne? Dumb enough to try and take liberties with a guy the size of Scott Hall, or Drew McIntyre, I guess. I will say this for that pair of idiots, they're not like JBL who'll only go after easy targets, they're scumbags across the board. The Nasties also got into a fight with a then unknown Ken Shamrock of all people too. And supposedly got the better of Ken even though it took both of them jumping him from behind to do it. Years later their paths crossed again and the Nasties wanted nothing to do with Ken. They might be dumb but they weren't that stupid. What is the story between the Nasties and Drew?
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Oct 24, 2022 3:19:36 GMT -5
How dumb do you need to be to take liberties with a guy the size of Maxx Payne? Dumb enough to try and take liberties with a guy the size of Scott Hall, or Drew McIntyre, I guess. I will say this for that pair of idiots, they're not like JBL who'll only go after easy targets, they're scumbags across the board. The Nasties also got into a fight with a then unknown Ken Shamrock of all people too. And supposedly got the better of Ken even though it took both of them jumping him from behind to do it. Years later their paths crossed again and the Nasties wanted nothing to do with Ken. They might be dumb but they weren't that stupid. What is the story between the Nasties and Drew? The WWE cane to their hometown during the 00s and gave them a dark match to pop a home town crowd and maybe see about a nostalgia run. The nasties took that opportunity and started stiffing Drew and Dave Taylor to show off, so Dave told Drew to start stiffing them back. The Nasties weren't asked back and Drew got a fairly solid push afterwards.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Oct 24, 2022 3:59:11 GMT -5
How dumb do you need to be to take liberties with a guy the size of Maxx Payne? Dumb enough to try and take liberties with a guy the size of Scott Hall, or Drew McIntyre, I guess. I will say this for that pair of idiots, they're not like JBL who'll only go after easy targets, they're scumbags across the board. The Nasties also got into a fight with a then unknown Ken Shamrock of all people too. And supposedly got the better of Ken even though it took both of them jumping him from behind to do it. Years later their paths crossed again and the Nasties wanted nothing to do with Ken. They might be dumb but they weren't that stupid. What is the story between the Nasties and Drew? Not only did they beat Shamrock up but apparently they almost killed him. They were at a bar and Knobbs had grabbed Shamrock's friends girlfriends boob multiple times. Shamrock went after him but the bouncers broke it up and kicked the Nasties out. Later that night at the hotel Shamrock in a rage burst into their hotel room and started punching Knobbs who was passed out on the bed but then was knocked out by Sags who hit him over the back of the head with a phone. Sags put the boots to him and then was going to throw him over the railing on the second story of the hotel and kill him before the Pitbulls intervened and stopped him. Years later when Shamrock was a star in the WWF their paths crossed at an airport. Knobbs high tailed it when he saw him. Shamrock confronted Sags ready to kill him. Sags wussed out saying that if he hit him it was a federal offence.
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Post by jason1980s on Oct 24, 2022 11:30:11 GMT -5
I would have been livid about the LJN figure. Do you know how they remedied that situation? I don't know what an unopened Valentine LJN goes for but I assume a few hundred dollars IF you can even find one. Their finisher was a Knobbs powerslam followed by Saggs dropping an elbow off the top rope. Saggs was Dusty's brother in law. Between that and how close the Nasties were to Hogan (is Hogan close to both of them or just Knobbs?) I always figured that is why the Nasties had that 3 year run in mid 90's WCW. I didn't realize Sags and Dusty were related. I think it's more of Knobs and Hogan who are friends and Sags just comes along. IIRC Knobs was the only one on Hogan's Micro show. I know he lives in Florida, I don't know where Sags lives. They did most shows together but occasionally you would just see Sags like working with Valentine. I'm not sure what was done with the LJN figure. I went to google the story but can't find it. I've thought about it a lot though. I probably wouldn't be too mad but the guy sure was. I would maybe see if one or both guys would trade a bunch of signed 8x10s that I could sell to afford another LJN Greg if one was available. It is Knobs being Knobs which isn't an excuse but mistakes happen, my grandfather ruined quite a few autograph items of mine or my father's being clumsy in his lifetime. Those LJNs are very fragile with the weight of the toy and the fragile nature of the bubble on card all these years later. I shipped a few about 10 years ago through ebay and I know one, maybe two got loose in shipping.
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