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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 22, 2022 19:02:28 GMT -5
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Post by xCompackx on Nov 22, 2022 19:13:04 GMT -5
This constant trend of filmmakers whining about MCU's success kind of makes me want to avoid their movies out of spite. Partially because actually going to the movie theater is already expensive so I'm gonna be choosey about what I spend money on.
But mostly it's because there's plenty of non-MCU movies to watch. How many MCU movies do we even get in a year? Like, most, 2-3? I dunno, make something people want to see and they will.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Nov 22, 2022 19:14:09 GMT -5
Everything he said in those quotes is a perfectly reasonable opinion, expressed politely.
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Post by Heartbreaker on Nov 22, 2022 19:15:19 GMT -5
Yay another online discourse between comic nerds and movie nerds. It's been a couple months, we totally needed one.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Nov 22, 2022 19:32:50 GMT -5
This clip is making the rounds.
People on the internet: "Captain America made some good points a few years ago!"
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Post by schizo on Nov 22, 2022 19:50:20 GMT -5
Ok Tarantino, so let people in their 20s now be happy and totally love them while you continue to be another old man that yells at cloud?
Also he’s wrong, there’s a shit ton of non-superhero movies coming out every year. Lots of great ones to. So this argument has already lost credibility
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Post by ace on Nov 22, 2022 19:52:07 GMT -5
There are no more movie stars, says foot fetishist who cast Leonardo DiCaprio and Brad Pitt in last film.
Those three movies a year, that btw save the yearly box office, really make people lose their minds.
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Post by ace on Nov 22, 2022 19:52:40 GMT -5
Ok Tarantino, so let people in their 20s now be happy and totally love them while you continue to be another old man that yells at cloud? Also he’s wrong, there’s a shit ton of non-superhero movies coming out every year. Lots of great ones to. So this argument has already lost credibility He’s not mad at their existence. He’s jealous of their success.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Nov 22, 2022 19:54:56 GMT -5
This clip is making the rounds. People on the internet: "Captain America made some good points a few years ago!" He and Tarantino and are on the money on the characters being the stars, not the actors themselves. I think social media has possibly played into that, as well, just changing of the times. I mean, it sucks lol 🤷 But it is what it is. It all comes down to money and what gets people to actually go to the theater to have the “cinematic experience”. Top Gun f***ing did it, and it’s not Marvel.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Nov 22, 2022 19:57:16 GMT -5
There are no more movie stars, says foot fetishist who cast Leonardo DiCaprio and Brad Pitt in last film. Those three movies a year, that btw save the yearly box office, really make people lose their minds. That movie with Brad & Leo (arguably two of the biggest male stars ever) got the shit beat out of it by a carbon copy of The Lion King.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Nov 22, 2022 20:02:00 GMT -5
On the stars thing he is full of shite.
But he has a good point about studios only doing giant franchise pictures. But this is not Marvels fault. This is the fault of giant studios gobbling up the competition. Being so big that every film needs to make a billion dollars to turn a profit. Not wanting to take any risks on something original.
But Marvel is just a symptom of a broken system. Same as Wal Mart. They may have had some hand in breaking the system but the system was already cracking and just needed a little pressure. Before Marvel there was Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, Harry Potter. Hollywood has been chasing blockbuster money since the 70s. To the point that now it is all they seem to be chasing. At least theatrically.
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Post by King Boo on Nov 22, 2022 20:16:54 GMT -5
I think there's a missing component in this argument, from the "anti-MCU" side (for lack of a better thing to call it, I realize Tarantino isn't actually saying he has anything against them), and it's that what they really mean is "they're the only thing being made with substantial money backing it" and/or "they're the only thing being made that makes a ton of money back."
There are movies being made that aren't comic ones, aren't the usual theater fare as of late, but they're largely from smaller studios. And lately those larger studios put out, when it's a non-superhero film, a bunch of uninspired remakes and sequels.
They want to blame the audience, but a lot of the blame for their complaints falls on the industry's shoulders.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Nov 22, 2022 20:18:48 GMT -5
As has been mentioned, Anthony Mackie basically said this same thing almost word for word.
Considering a lot of comments on anything involving Creed 3 boil down to “Kang vs. Killmonger”, he was absolutely right.
But sure, let’s all just write everything off to “jealousy” like what always happens with any criticism of the MCU. No matter how legitimate.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 22, 2022 20:26:21 GMT -5
I don't really get it tho as far as it trying to be treated as a slight
Like any memorable role you play, some people are still going to remember you by that role. Anthony Mackie is still Papa Doc from 8 Mile for me but the character opens doors for you to do other things.
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Post by Perd on Nov 22, 2022 20:36:11 GMT -5
He’s right, there are no more movie stars. And that’s why I should be the new Iron Man.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Nov 22, 2022 20:55:30 GMT -5
He's got a point to a degree. As huge as those movies are most of the actors aren't massive bankable stars outside those roles. As big as Han Solo and Indiana Jones were, Harrison Ford was also famous for being Harrison Ford and his name could draw big audiences to non-franchise stuff he was doing. A lot of these actors aren't that popular away from of their Marvel characters if you look at how their other movies do.
Like my mother is a casual celeb culture and superhero fan. I've watched most of the big Marvel movies over the past decade and definitely all of the Avengers ones. If I put a gun to her head though I don't think she could actually name any of the main Avengers actors real names outside of Robert Downey jr and Scarlett Johansson. Your Jeremy Renner's and Tom Hiddleston's aren't big box office draws the way the biggest movie stars 20 years were.
Like it used to be a thing that people would be like "I'm going to see the new Arnold/Will Smith/Bruce Willis/Tom Hanks/Leo/Denzel movie" but that doesn't happen as much now. The Rock is probably one of the only modern actors who has that power actually. Nowadays it feels more like "I'm going to see the new Marvel/DC/Star Wars" movie ahead of any single actor being the main selling point.
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Post by ace on Nov 22, 2022 21:04:50 GMT -5
The most interesting filmmaker perspective to me in the Marvel discourse remains Robert Redford. He went and acted in one because as a director he was curious about all the new technology they were using and wanted to understand it from the inside. The man was close to retirement and said…there’s something I don’t fully understand…let me go see it first hand.
If Marty and QT don’t pop up security guards in some alien planet I just can’t respect them anymore.
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Post by Cyno on Nov 22, 2022 21:17:10 GMT -5
He's both right and wrong to certain degrees. Like having even a bit part in a successful franchise movie can lead to a lot more opportunities. But franchises and some certain directors are more drivers of what movies audiences want to see than actors.
That said, a lot of these auteur directors stick with a few favorite actors (usually white) and are often biased to them at the expense of everyone else. Simu Liu is right about that. Hollywood still has a giant race problem even with casts seeming a lot more diverse lately. We aren't that far removed from the days where people of color were only cast in culturally stereotypical roles or Jewish actors had to change their names because directors and producers thought their names were "too jewy" to be marketable.
Just different times and the way Hollywood has changed.
That said, I've seen more than enough thirsting over folks like Tom Hiddleston and Oscar Isaac to know that the movie star isn't completely dead.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Nov 22, 2022 21:30:25 GMT -5
Getting a MCU role is basically a blessing and curse. It is a blessing because undoubtedly it means a lot of money and exposure for the actors, they likely aren’t going to ever be starving for roles after landing the gig. Especially if it is a significant role in the movies(we’ve yet to see how nabbing a Disney+ role pans out for those actors). And it is a way to get minority actors major freaking roles as Simu points out. However, the curse is, for basically anyone who isn’t a film buff, this role is all you are ever going to be known for to the mass public. As stated above the example of how Creed 3 is being seen as Killmonger vs Kang. Despite Michael B. Jordan and Jonathan Majors having stellar careers before they ever stepped foot in the MCU(MBJ especially). There in providing strong ammunition to the idea of “MCU’s characters are the stars not the actors”. Edit: Which makes Benedict Wong getting the role of Wong such a brilliant, and a tad lucky, stroke on his part. Because even if people only call him Wong because of the character, they won’t be wrong about Wong.
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Post by jimmyjackezekiel on Nov 22, 2022 21:34:25 GMT -5
With all due respect how many people still to this day refer to Mark Hamil, and Harrison Ford as Luke, and Han?
Confusing actors with the characters they played is nothing new. Hell, I did the same for Wayne Knight, until I was in my teens the guy was just Dennis Nedry to me. (I never watched Seinfeld until about 04/05)
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