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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Dec 13, 2022 15:52:35 GMT -5
Ezekiel Jackson really seems like the perfect answer. Not memorable, not talented in any way, didn't have a long career in the business. However accomplishment wise he didn't do bad by winning both the ECW and IC titles. They really wanted him to be a big deal for a couple years and then probably realized he didn't have it and was pushed down the card. Nobody is probably harsh but I would say Mike Rotunda overachieved. Two time TV Champion, Tag Team Champion on multiple occasions in both major companies, technically had a match with Hogan at Wrestlemania, had a four year upper midcard heel run in WWF where he was always booked well. That's a pretty good career for anybody and I would say overall he was just merely pretty solid as a talent. Not bad by any means but not really great at anything either. To each their own, but Rotunda is a guy I enjoyed quite a lot when he was used well, e.g. Varsity Club, IRS. He just seemed like an under the radar talent who creative either saw something in or saw nothing in, but he always delivered when creative was good. After coming off that long run as IRS, it's hard for me to understand why WCW didn't use him either as a TV title contender or put him in a tag team, instead of jobber, NWO extra, and eventually the sad sap who wore those ugly shirts with the sleeves cut off and the WCW logo with the circle and line through it. IDK I would say JTTS was the right role for him in WCW at that point. He was pretty washed by that point and they had better options when it came to those roles you mentioned. I don't think he cared anyways as apparently towards the end of his WWF run he was going to retire and they were grooming him for an agent job before WCW offered him a big money deal as that was the era where they were throwing big money at anybody who worked or used to work in WWF.
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Post by XIII on Dec 13, 2022 15:59:02 GMT -5
Who are some guys/gals in wrestling who didn’t leave much of an impact at all but still racked up some championship reigns or other accomplishments? I started this thinking of Ezekiel Jackson, a by-the-numbers hoss who once used a series of bodyslams as a finisher, yet was Intercontinental Champion and the very last man to hold the ECW Title. Who else are some decorated bums in wrestling lore? The body slams were a spot he did, but not his finish. For that he kind of rotated between a uranage, a lariat, and a torture rack. Even if the body slams were his finish I don’t really understand the hate that they would get. It’s a huge mofo picking you up 3 times and slamming you down hard three times.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Dec 13, 2022 16:04:23 GMT -5
The body slams were a spot he did, but not his finish. For that he kind of rotated between a uranage, a lariat, and a torture rack. Even if the body slams were his finish I don’t really understand the hate that they would get. It’s a huge mofo picking you up 3 times and slamming you down hard three times. On top of that IIRC it was used as a set up for the torture rack which from a psychology standpoint makes sense. Weaken the back and body with the bodyslams to set the opponent up for your finish which targets the same area. Problem was the crowd not reacting to it all however that was likely just because Jackson just wasn't over in general.
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Dec 13, 2022 16:29:25 GMT -5
The body slams were a spot he did, but not his finish. For that he kind of rotated between a uranage, a lariat, and a torture rack. Even if the body slams were his finish I don’t really understand the hate that they would get. It’s a huge mofo picking you up 3 times and slamming you down hard three times. Oh yea, no argument from me on that. I was just noting that it wasn't his finisher It used to puzzle me that people used to call The World's Strongest Slam "just a slam". It is a slam, but it's being delievered by a guy that has the power to pull busses who is slamming you as hard as he can while also dropping 400 lbs on you. That's not "just a slam".
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Post by sungod2020 on Dec 13, 2022 16:59:59 GMT -5
I wouldn't call Randy Orton a nobody by any means, but for someone of his stature, he's accomplished way more than he should've. He had 10 WWE championship reigns, 4 World Heavyweight Title Runs, an IC and US title run, and four tag team title reigns. He's been a 20 year veteran, and has the most PPV appearances of any WWF/E superstar, past or present. On paper, that sounds like he's an all-time great, but really, how many memorable feuds has he had? How many people have elevated from feuding with the third generation star? I know many people are quick to mention his feud with Foley during his legend killer phase, and WWE likes to force the idea that his feud with John Cena was one of the greatest of all time, but really, he's just a guy who's been around for a really long time thanks to his connections in the business. I don't think many people would put him up there with the all time greats like Hogan, Rock, Austin, and Cena. Or even Undertaker, Ric Flair, Bret Hart, Roddy Piper or Mick Foley tier. Triple H, for as much flak as he got from the IWC in the 2000s is even ahead of him. I think someone on this forum said that because of his longevity, his presence developed an aquired taste, I may not be saying it right, but you know what I mean. So yeah, I nominate the viper. Randy Orton does not fit this list one bit Okay, maybe he dosen't fit the list(and I said he wasn't a nobody), but I do feel my point still stands. He's just...kinda there. Who DOES make the list however is Shelton Benjamin. A three time IC champion, one time US champion, two time tag team champion, had numerous victories over Triple H, had interactions with main eventers and upper midcarders during the Ruthless Aggression era, yet outside of doing high spots at Wrestlemanias MITB match, he couldn't get over with the fans, and they were pushing him constantly for four years too. They also gave him a manager(Momma Benjamin) and SHE overshadowed him. They also tried to make him a cocky heel by sporting sunglasses and a Hawaiian shirt and he came off as a try hard dork. Maybe it's his personality(or lack thereof) or bad booking(or both), but Shelton accomplished(at least in kayfabe) alot more than somebody with his level of overness should've.
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Post by dangerousdanpotato on Dec 13, 2022 22:21:16 GMT -5
Unfortunately, Zack Ryder, at least in terms of the confines of the "WWE Universe". Given how they quashed his organic fan support and then watered him down and jobbed him out over several years, he ended up a nobody with both US and Intercontinental championship reigns, along with 2x tag team championship reigns.
Apollo Crews: did nothing of note for six years, then in 2020 they finally tried something with him and had him win both the US and IC titles; he flopped and has now returned to obscurity.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 13, 2022 22:41:45 GMT -5
Wouldn't call him a nobody but for a guy who has never really had a notable career outside of Nexus, Heath Slater has been able to hang on by being the lovable goof
6 tag title reigns between WWE and Impact. He has been able to make the most out of nothing substantial
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2022 22:46:55 GMT -5
Ronnie Garvin randomly comes to mind so I will stick with it
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Post by Squirrel Master on Dec 14, 2022 13:40:37 GMT -5
Lest we forget Virgil “Wrestling Superstar, with Ted DiBaise” who was in the ring with all the greats of his day; his job was getting his bell rung and to keep Ted looking strong.
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Post by Dragonfly on Dec 20, 2022 4:18:22 GMT -5
A couple of NWA world champions from between the WCW and TNA eras sprung to mind. Obviously the belt meant nowhere near what it did before, but most of the champions during that era had at least a certain degree of name recognition. But you had a couple of absolute no names like Gary Steele, and Mike Rapada. In fact, Rapada's whole legacy seems to have been as the guy who held the NWA title despite being a complete nobody. I went down a Mike Rapada rabbit hole a few days ago. There are three constants with all of his appearances: 1. His matches are as bland as all hell, but not offensively terrible. 2. He always comes off as a likable guy. I wouldn't buy a ticket to see him, but I would definitely have a beer with him. 3. Bert Prentice. That last one is super important. You think Vince's crush on HBK in the mid-90s was a bit "direct?" Those two look downright subtle compared to Bert and The Colorado Kid. The sexual tension is off the freaking charts. That relationship also gave him a career he otherwise wouldn't have had. Without Bert, he's a one of a thousand Tennessee journeymen nobodies.
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Post by wallabylikeyou on Dec 20, 2022 5:50:40 GMT -5
Big Ryck could have at least had a memorable eye injury to his name after the cigar angle in Lucha Underground but the last few years have been all eye spots all the time and now he doesn't even have that.
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Dec 20, 2022 7:07:43 GMT -5
A couple of NWA world champions from between the WCW and TNA eras sprung to mind. Obviously the belt meant nowhere near what it did before, but most of the champions during that era had at least a certain degree of name recognition. But you had a couple of absolute no names like Gary Steele, and Mike Rapada. In fact, Rapada's whole legacy seems to have been as the guy who held the NWA title despite being a complete nobody. I went down a Mike Rapada rabbit hole a few days ago. There are three constants with all of his appearances: 1. His matches are as bland as all hell, but not offensively terrible. 2. He always comes off as a likable guy. I wouldn't buy a ticket to see him, but I would definitely have a beer with him. 3. Bert Prentice. That last one is super important. You think Vince's crush on HBK in the mid-90s was a bit "direct?" Those two look downright subtle compared to Bert and The Colorado Kid. The sexual tension is off the freaking charts. That relationship also gave him a career he otherwise wouldn't have had. Without Bert, he's a one of a thousand Tennessee journeymen nobodies. Yeah, he wasn't actually too bad, he just...wasn't really very good either. It didn't help that in 2000 everything about him was at least fifteen years too late, his look and character and style was that of an early eighties territorial white meat babyface, and at least most of the other wrestlers who'd held that title during its wilderness years had a certain amount of contemporary relevance. Everything about his title run smacked of him being the promoter's golden boy, in more ways than one, obviously.
Not dissimilar to the aforementioned Gary Steele, actually, not with the sexual element but he was a pretty bland wrestler - probably more competent in the ring than Rapada but just didn't really have much in the way of personality or charisma - who was clearly the promoter's favourite. Early 2000s Apter mag wrestler Adam Windsor was another one of those, although he never really won anything of any note.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Dec 20, 2022 8:52:27 GMT -5
A couple of NWA world champions from between the WCW and TNA eras sprung to mind. Obviously the belt meant nowhere near what it did before, but most of the champions during that era had at least a certain degree of name recognition. But you had a couple of absolute no names like Gary Steele, and Mike Rapada. In fact, Rapada's whole legacy seems to have been as the guy who held the NWA title despite being a complete nobody. I'll give Gary Steel exactly one point to his name, in that inexplicable week or so title reign made him the first Brit ever to hold a world title, if you still recognise the NWA title as a world title at that point. If you don't, then you have to wait for Nick Aldis's Impact title reign.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 20, 2022 9:03:42 GMT -5
The body slams were a spot he did, but not his finish. For that he kind of rotated between a uranage, a lariat, and a torture rack. Even if the body slams were his finish I don’t really understand the hate that they would get. It’s a huge mofo picking you up 3 times and slamming you down hard three times. Because good psychology doesn't automatically mean entertaining, and the fact is that a body slam is a first day of wrestling school move.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Dec 20, 2022 12:25:28 GMT -5
Prince Iaukea won the WCW Cruiserweight Championship twice and was TV champion during the hottest year of WCW's existence and even defended his title against Rey Rey on PPV.
With how they tried and failed to turn him into a Main Eventer, Hernandez has quite a decorated career in TNA/Impact with tag titles and being voted Tag Team of the Year in Wrestling Observer
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Post by Sephiroth on Dec 20, 2022 12:45:07 GMT -5
Shane Douglas is hardly a nobody, but he is unrecognized as one of the few to hold gold in the NWA, WWF, WCW, ECW, and TNA. And even with that list of accomplishments he is largely a non-entity today.
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