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Post by chazraps on Dec 28, 2022 17:37:42 GMT -5
I think the main event turning out the way it did was one hundred percent Hogan’s fault and I’ll take that to the grave. Is that an unpopular take? It was clear Hogan's shitty ego is why things ended how they did. Five years of Bischoff/Hogan/Conrad podcast apologia is a powerful thing. I wouldn't say it's unpopular, but it gets a lot more pushback than it did a decade ago. |
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Post by fg on Dec 28, 2022 18:22:58 GMT -5
It’s been said that if this event was a success critically and financially, it would have been the death knell for WWE and if WWE died, then Ted Turners promotion would have eventually died due to what went on behind the scenes.
Maybe (and that’s a BIG MAYBE) then maybe the event ending the way it did was a blessing in disguise because we all know Hogans selfish attitude…brother.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Dec 28, 2022 18:40:27 GMT -5
I think the main event turning out the way it did was one hundred percent Hogan’s fault and I’ll take that to the grave. Is that an unpopular take? It was clear Hogan's shitty ego is why things ended how they did. Sort of bouncing off that, I'm still shocked Hogan agreed to dropping the title to Goldberg in the fashion he did. Incredibly curious why Hogan fell to Goldberg clean while utterly shitting the bed with the Sting match. Like, there's reasonable guesses, like maybe he was capitulating to the heat the Starrcade ending got him amongst other theories, but, yeah, would love an honest account from literally anyone as to why he went down for Goldberg but messed up the Sting match. |
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Post by Renslayer on Dec 28, 2022 23:54:47 GMT -5
A case study in how to miss a wide open layup
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Post by sarkerpolseng on Dec 29, 2022 0:56:21 GMT -5
Any of you order/spend money on this PPV? I would have been upset.
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Post by MrElijah on Dec 29, 2022 1:01:54 GMT -5
It's a testament to Sting thst no matter how many times WCW Screwed the pooch, he remained an over main eventer. I don't think anyone in wrestling could be as Teflon as Sting.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Dec 29, 2022 9:01:00 GMT -5
My theory is when the nWo Nitro, I believe it was the week before, tanked in the ratings, and the nWo guys realized they wouldn't be getting their own show, and that they still had to hitch their wagon to the neverending we're taking over WCW phase,that ruined Starcade. Nash "has a heart attack", Buff goes over, Savage goes over, Hogan batters the ever loving shit out of Sting and has that awful finish(which may have happened anyway). None of that makes any sense, but it sounds like you had to placate a bunch of people who thought they would be elevated by "nWo Nitro". At the very least, it through Bischoff, who is a very weak leader, through a loop right before the show, and he just got run over.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Dec 29, 2022 10:06:16 GMT -5
As bad as the main event was in terms of quality and booking, I've always thought that had the rest of the PPV not been hot garbage, things might have been different.
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Post by chronocross on Dec 29, 2022 10:09:25 GMT -5
Any of you order/spend money on this PPV? I would have been upset. My friend ordered it and we watched it at his house, we were pretty happy for the most part. We were let down by the announcement that Nash/Giant and Raven/Benoit weren't happening and that DDP/Hennig was not going to be in a cage match as it was originally supposed to be Flair/Hennig in a cage and we thought the stipulation would stay the same. |
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Post by Renslayer on Dec 29, 2022 15:26:00 GMT -5
As bad as the main event was in terms of quality and booking, I've always thought that had the rest of the PPV not been hot garbage, things might have been different. You can either have a crappy undercard with an amazing main event or an amazing undercard with a crappy main event. Having both a crappy undercard AND crappy main event, especially at the most important show of the year, spells doom |
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Post by fg on Dec 29, 2022 16:39:37 GMT -5
As bad as the main event was in terms of quality and booking, I've always thought that had the rest of the PPV not been hot garbage, things might have been different. You can either have a crappy undercard with an amazing main event or an amazing undercard with a crappy main event. Having both a crappy undercard AND crappy main event, especially at the most important show of the year, spells doom NOOOOOOOOO? Really? |
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Post by ghost on Dec 29, 2022 20:21:05 GMT -5
The concept of Bret restarting the match due to shenanigans made some sense given what he went through at Survivor Series. The problem was there was no shenanigans. Hogan won clean and Bret looked like an idiot for wanting to restart the match. No doubt Hogan’s fingerprints were all over that finish because it made everyone except Hogan look terrible.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 29, 2022 20:25:26 GMT -5
I saw a tweet the other day that pointed out that Virgil was booked on the show to wrestle, but Rey Mysterio Jr. was in the crowd as a fan. Really just sums up how inept WCW could be even in their best years.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 29, 2022 22:29:33 GMT -5
Also, since they were playing into the Screwjob that happened a month earlier, why not just mirror it entirely and have Hogan do a phantom submission using the Sharpshooter/Scorpion Deathlock which Nick Patrick couldn't possibly screw up? Unless of course, HH insists on a fast count so he can have Nick Patrick sabotage the finish.
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Post by lildude8218 on Dec 29, 2022 23:01:57 GMT -5
My theory is when the nWo Nitro, I believe it was the week before, tanked in the ratings, and the nWo guys realized they wouldn't be getting their own show, and that they still had to hitch their wagon to the neverending we're taking over WCW phase,that ruined Starcade. Nash "has a heart attack", Buff goes over, Savage goes over, Hogan batters the ever loving shit out of Sting and has that awful finish(which may have happened anyway). None of that makes any sense, but it sounds like you had to placate a bunch of people who thought they would be elevated by "nWo Nitro". At the very least, it through Bischoff, who is a very weak leader, through a loop right before the show, and he just got run over. Savage went over because he was a last minute replacement for Konnan. Bischoff said Macho was on vacation at the time but came in for a nice bonus. Bischoff said there was no way in hell that he'd call up Randy to come in like that and lose. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 29, 2022 23:08:17 GMT -5
Is that an unpopular take? It was clear Hogan's shitty ego is why things ended how they did. Five years of Bischoff/Hogan/Conrad podcast apologia is a powerful thing. I wouldn't say it's unpopular, but it gets a lot more pushback than it did a decade ago. Bischoff is another guy that never admits that he ever got anything wrong... and the fact he clings to that 83 weeks! thing to this day is pretty god damned sad considering that immediately following that time period he has nothing to show for himself in wrestling... and honestly a lot of the nitros they were winning with are kind of unwatchable... edit: OSW Did the last Nitro before Starrcade for their Chrismtas episode. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 30, 2022 1:39:04 GMT -5
Is that an unpopular take? It was clear Hogan's shitty ego is why things ended how they did. Sort of bouncing off that, I'm still shocked Hogan agreed to dropping the title to Goldberg in the fashion he did. Incredibly curious why Hogan fell to Goldberg clean while utterly shitting the bed with the Sting match. Like, there's reasonable guesses, like maybe he was capitulating to the heat the Starrcade ending got him amongst other theories, but, yeah, would love an honest account from literally anyone as to why he went down for Goldberg but messed up the Sting match. Hogan knew when to play ball to at least stop the boys from talking temporarily and nothing he could was really going to slow down Goldberg If he pulled that same stunt again it would been a big problem |
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 30, 2022 1:47:10 GMT -5
Meltzer maintains that Bischoff's claims of dropping support for Sting for being high/out of shape at Starrcade is revisionism on his part, that Bischoff laid out to him personally a lot of what ended up coming to pass about 30 days before it'd happen, therefore completely contradicting Bischoff's version of events. That'd sound far fetched to many, I'm sure, but given some of the other things Eric blatantly lies about or misremembers, and how many people in power in wrestling have had connections to Meltzer for many reasons, I am more inclined to believe him, that Eric already was going to try to please two masters by watering down Sting's win with the idea of, "we'll pay it off later", something we saw a ton of in wrestling in the '90s, but especially from WCW.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 30, 2022 1:53:04 GMT -5
Meltzer maintains that Bischoff's claims of dropping support for Sting for being high/out of shape at Starrcade is revisionism on his part, that Bischoff laid out to him personally a lot of what ended up coming to pass about 30 days before it'd happen, therefore completely contradicting Bischoff's version of events. That'd sound far fetched to many, I'm sure, but given some of the other things Eric blatantly lies about or misremembers, and how many people in power in wrestling have had connections to Meltzer for many reasons, I am more inclined to believe him, that Eric already was going to try to please two masters by watering down Sting's win with the idea of, "we'll pay it off later", something we saw a ton of in wrestling in the '90s, but especially from WCW. Yeah, once Bischoff got in his head that Sting wasn't right for the job whether it be the excuse of drugs, out of shape or "not tanned enough" it was all downhill from there as you knew Hogan was right there to hear every idea and knowing he can make a play without backlash was going to be his move. Bischoff liked to drag things out but he was def on a high of thinking he can do no wrong. Sting can win but he really doesn't win and Hogan doesn't lose definitively. Add in the new Bret addition and while he had no plans for Bret, he just knew he had a new shiny toy at his disposal |
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Post by madness50 on Dec 30, 2022 1:56:16 GMT -5
Just watched it back. It still makes me angry that WCW screwed that up so badly. Sting should have beaten the shit out of Hogan, no screw job attempt, and then the NWO falls apart in the aftermath.
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