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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Jan 12, 2023 17:10:14 GMT -5
Doesn’t Santino Marella have a legit MMA background? I remember when people were throwing his name out there as a guy who could shoot beat Brock. 😂 There are people who thought a bunch of wrestlers could take Brock because he once got kicked in the diverticulitis by fxxxing Overeem. Lmao
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Post by havokshofc on Jan 12, 2023 19:11:38 GMT -5
I remember when people were throwing his name out there as a guy who could shoot beat Brock. 😂 There are people who thought a bunch of wrestlers could take Brock because he once got kicked in the diverticulitis by fxxxing Overeem. Lmao UBERREEM! SMASH!!
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 12, 2023 19:20:49 GMT -5
I wouldn’t say Billy Jack Haynes wasn’t known as a tough guy, I’d say that’s generally accepted. There is a bit of mystery around the specifics. We know he trained in the Hart Dungeon, so no doubt Stu put him through the wringer and he came out the other side. There’s talk that he had some amateur boxing experience, but I haven’t seen a definitive account of that. More interesting are the stories from within the business. Bobby Heenan talked about watching Haynes and Mike Sharpe get into a fight after a match. He said Vince asked him about it the next day, Bobby confirmed it, and Vince asked, “Well, did you try to stop it?” Bobby paused his storytelling to add, “Like I’m gonna get between Billy Jack and Sharpe.” He seemed to kind of emphasize Billy Jack. There are stories of him winning locker room fights with Sharpe, Barry Windham, and John Studd, but I’m sure there are other accounts of those fights. There usually is. The two most interesting things, to me at least, is the story I’ve heard multiple times about Chris Adams pulling a no show and skipping town a few days when Billy Jack came in because he was with Billy Jack’s ex wife. Of course, Billy Jack had only married her to help her get a green card, so it wasn’t an issue. Some have doubted this, based on Adams having an extensive judo background and being a tough guy in his own right. Which brings me to the second part. Jim Cornette has said that Billy was always very calm and soft spoken and had the lightest handshake in the locker room, almost like he was going out of his way to be gentle. He said the rumor was that Billly had gotten into a fight, the guy died from his injuries, and Billy did time for manslaughter. If someone beat a guy to death in a simple bar fight and you think he might be pissed at you for banging his ex, it could hit you differently than just another one of the boys coming in. Obviously, I have no way of knowing what happened and what didn’t. It all makes the guy very intriguing to me, and that’s before you mix in the mental illness, alleged history of abuse, and time apparently spent as a drug mule. I think that, even before he REALLY went off the deep end, wrestlers knew Billy was... strange... and if you take someone who is already tough and add that element, people are going to tread that much more lightly around him.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 12, 2023 20:17:25 GMT -5
I remember when people were throwing his name out there as a guy who could shoot beat Brock. 😂 There are people who thought a bunch of wrestlers could take Brock because he once got kicked in the diverticulitis by fxxxing Overeem. Lmao Yea, people still forget even without the roids Brock is still an animal and Overeem with and without the roids was also an animal. That boy strong as f*** and Brock had no business in the ring with that glaring weakness on him
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Post by THE FVNKER on Jan 12, 2023 20:32:08 GMT -5
I remember when people were throwing his name out there as a guy who could shoot beat Brock. 😂 There are people who thought a bunch of wrestlers could take Brock because he once got kicked in the diverticulitis by fxxxing Overeem. Lmao A juiced-to-the-gills Overeem at that. Santino stood/stands no chance at all against Lesnar in a fight. I mean I guess anything could happen but it's a no for me lmao
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Post by Sephiroth on Jan 13, 2023 10:37:17 GMT -5
Alex Wright. He got into a few backstage fisticuffs in. WCW and actually got a rep as a knockout artist.
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Post by XIII on Jan 13, 2023 10:54:45 GMT -5
Brock was a naturally strong 265 lb farm boy before he got on the gas, the roids just made him a straight up gorilla. Combine that with near Olympic level wrestling ability coming out of college and no one in pro wrestling outside of Kurt Angle was going to be able to do anything about him. I’m sure that Santino is a tough guy and has some combat fighting experience but Brock literally went to the UFC with like a year of striking and jiujitsu training and was immediately competitive based off of athleticism and wrestling. There’s also a very good reason that weight classes exist in combat sports. Brock is the closest thing that we’ve had to someone like Bo Jackson since Bo. Dude almost made an NFL team despite not playing since high school. lol.
As for the topic, I remember some stories about Bob Backlund being freaky strong and holding his own outside the ring.
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Post by pinja on Jan 13, 2023 11:21:14 GMT -5
I wouldn’t say Billy Jack Haynes wasn’t known as a tough guy, I’d say that’s generally accepted. There is a bit of mystery around the specifics. We know he trained in the Hart Dungeon, so no doubt Stu put him through the wringer and he came out the other side. There’s talk that he had some amateur boxing experience, but I haven’t seen a definitive account of that. More interesting are the stories from within the business. Bobby Heenan talked about watching Haynes and Mike Sharpe get into a fight after a match. He said Vince asked him about it the next day, Bobby confirmed it, and Vince asked, “Well, did you try to stop it?” Bobby paused his storytelling to add, “Like I’m gonna get between Billy Jack and Sharpe.” He seemed to kind of emphasize Billy Jack. There are stories of him winning locker room fights with Sharpe, Barry Windham, and John Studd, but I’m sure there are other accounts of those fights. There usually is. The two most interesting things, to me at least, is the story I’ve heard multiple times about Chris Adams pulling a no show and skipping town a few days when Billy Jack came in because he was with Billy Jack’s ex wife. Of course, Billy Jack had only married her to help her get a green card, so it wasn’t an issue. Some have doubted this, based on Adams having an extensive judo background and being a tough guy in his own right. Which brings me to the second part. Jim Cornette has said that Billy was always very calm and soft spoken and had the lightest handshake in the locker room, almost like he was going out of his way to be gentle. He said the rumor was that Billly had gotten into a fight, the guy died from his injuries, and Billy did time for manslaughter. If someone beat a guy to death in a simple bar fight and you think he might be pissed at you for banging his ex, it could hit you differently than just another one of the boys coming in. Obviously, I have no way of knowing what happened and what didn’t. It all makes the guy very intriguing to me, and that’s before you mix in the mental illness, alleged history of abuse, and time apparently spent as a drug mule. I think that, even before he REALLY went off the deep end, wrestlers knew Billy was... strange... and if you take someone who is already tough and add that element, people are going to tread that much more lightly around him. I always forget how Billy looked in his prime. He was a massive, massive man. Absurdly jacked. As if you crossed the ruggedness of Dr. Death with Hercules Hernandez' body and then some.
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Post by XIII on Jan 13, 2023 18:38:56 GMT -5
I think that, even before he REALLY went off the deep end, wrestlers knew Billy was... strange... and if you take someone who is already tough and add that element, people are going to tread that much more lightly around him. I always forget how Billy looked in his prime. He was a massive, massive man. Absurdly jacked. As if you crossed the ruggedness of Dr. Death with Hercules Hernandez' body and then some. Those 80s/Arnold roids definitely hit different than what dudes are using these days.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jan 13, 2023 19:37:45 GMT -5
Paul Orndorff seems like he fits the bill.
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Post by "Sweet & Sour" ImSoFudginGreat on Jan 13, 2023 23:02:03 GMT -5
As for the topic, I remember some stories about Bob Backlund being freaky strong and holding his own outside the ring. Speaking of Bob, I remember in the 93 Rumble when Diesel was cleaning house that Bob came in and pushed Diesel to the ropes and Big Daddy Cool had a look of “oh shit, is he going to push me over?” So he must have been surprised by his strength.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Jan 13, 2023 23:24:54 GMT -5
As for the topic, I remember some stories about Bob Backlund being freaky strong and holding his own outside the ring. Speaking of Bob, I remember in the 93 Rumble when Diesel was cleaning house that Bob came in and pushed Diesel to the ropes and Big Daddy Cool had a look of “oh shit, is he going to push me over?” So he must have been surprised by his strength. Bob is still freakishly strong, I can’t imagine him in his prime. The GIF of him deadlifting Ivan Koloff still trips me out.
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Jan 14, 2023 5:33:02 GMT -5
Dolph is apparently a real shooter who's just below the guys like Brock/Swagger in terms of amateur creds. Dolph was an undefeated collegiate wrestler. I believe never even taken down, but don't quote me on that. Either way he's in his college HOF as a wrestler.
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Jan 14, 2023 6:05:55 GMT -5
Re. Adrian Street, one imagines he sort of had to be hard to do that gimmick when he did. He's said to have beaten the absolute living shit out of Jimmy Savile in the early seventies too. Actually, probably a lot of the British wrestlers of that era belong on this list. Many of them would've been trained by blokes like Billy Riley and Ted Betley, genuine shooters whose gyms you would have had to be pretty tough to get through. It seems the more legit you are the more comfortable you feel portraying characters that are way over the top. Adrian Adonis, Adrian Street, Kurt Angle, Dolph was a cheerleader, Gerald Briscoe wrestled in drag. Today the tradition continues with guys like Dalton Castle, Joe Hendry, Chad Gable and Otis. Legit guys with plenty of credentials that are all super entertaining playing outlandish characters, but could easily shove your head up your own ass if they wanted to. On this week's WHW, Schiavone said he heard from guys that worked in WWE that you do not F with Shelton Benjamin. Which makes total sense with his amateur background. I had just never heard of him spoken about like that before. 2 Cold Scorpio. I never thought he belonged on this list until I watched the Collision in Korea episode of DSOTR and they told the story of how Scorpio beat up Hawk on one of the buses.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 14, 2023 6:17:01 GMT -5
As for the topic, I remember some stories about Bob Backlund being freaky strong and holding his own outside the ring. Speaking of Bob, I remember in the 93 Rumble when Diesel was cleaning house that Bob came in and pushed Diesel to the ropes and Big Daddy Cool had a look of “oh shit, is he going to push me over?” So he must have been surprised by his strength. Apparently, Backlund had a match with Diesel where he told him, "Piledriver" when calling the match and had Nash up without any help from him before he could even question, "is this guy serious?" Backlund was a top star in an era where, with few exceptions, you were expected to be able to shoot in case someone tried to pull a fast one. It's not that I think no wrestler could have taken him, necessarily, but it'd be a small number, and most of those wouldn't want to roll the dice on trying it because they'd know it'd be a risky proposition.
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Jan 14, 2023 6:29:07 GMT -5
I feel like Kenny Omega kind of fits the bill here. Not someone you ever really hear being brought up as 'legit' but has a decent MMA record (4-3) and I believe trained as a boxer too? Where did those numbers come from? Is that his record in PlayStation fighting games? Or is that his record from the Sissy Boy Slap Party movie? I've never heard a damn thing about Omega having any legit credentials. 3 guys that show up to another man's door with a 3 on 2 numbers advantage, and the guys with the advantage are the ones that end up getting their ass' kicked is both the most hilarious, and least badass thing I've ever heard in my life. 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Jan 14, 2023 6:33:33 GMT -5
Alex Wright. He had got into a few bs jets he fisticuffs in. WCW and actually got a rep as a knockout artist.. His father Steve, who trained him, is a prime example of what I posted about before. He'd been Ted Betley's original protégé in the late sixties and I believe was a good shooter himself, so Alex would definitely have known how to handle himself.
Both Alex and Steve are massively underrated as performers too. Steve spent most of his prime years in Germany and Austria and had a very good career there, but it means that he got somewhat overlooked when the ITV stuff got reevaluated in the 2000s, and Alex was a really good worker who got saddled with some real shit by WCW, one wonders what he could've done if he'd come along ten years later.
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Jan 14, 2023 6:47:55 GMT -5
Let's not forget Bryan Danielson. This guy chased down two scumbags that broke into his house and apprehended one of them until the cops showed up. Sadly the other one got away. Not sure why WWE never mentioned this on tv to attempt to prove to the crowd how legit and dangerous DB actually is. Instead WWE were too focused on telling their audience DB was worthless because he was short. 🤬🤦♂️
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jan 14, 2023 10:35:16 GMT -5
Speaking of Bob, I remember in the 93 Rumble when Diesel was cleaning house that Bob came in and pushed Diesel to the ropes and Big Daddy Cool had a look of “oh shit, is he going to push me over?” So he must have been surprised by his strength. Bob is still freakishly strong, I can’t imagine him in his prime. The GIF of him deadlifting Ivan Koloff still trips me out. www.dailymotion.com/video/x2hicim24:15 seconds in he does that to 1980 Hulk Hogan.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2023 13:11:18 GMT -5
Re. Adrian Street, one imagines he sort of had to be hard to do that gimmick when he did. He's said to have beaten the absolute living shit out of Jimmy Savile in the early seventies too. Actually, probably a lot of the British wrestlers of that era belong on this list. Many of them would've been trained by blokes like Billy Riley and Ted Betley, genuine shooters whose gyms you would have had to be pretty tough to get through. It seems the more legit you are the more comfortable you feel portraying characters that are way over the top. Adrian Adonis, Adrian Street, Kurt Angle, Dolph was a cheerleader, Gerald Briscoe wrestled in drag. Today the tradition continues with guys like Dalton Castle, Joe Hendry, Chad Gable and Otis. Legit guys with plenty of credentials that are all super entertaining playing outlandish characters, but could easily shove your head up your own ass if they wanted to. On this week's WHW, Schiavone said he heard from guys that worked in WWE that you do not F with Shelton Benjamin. Which makes total sense with his amateur background. I had just never heard of him spoken about like that before. 2 Cold Scorpio. I never thought he belonged on this list until I watched the Collision in Korea episode of DSOTR and they told the story of how Scorpio beat up Hawk on one of the buses.
There's a lot of self-assurance in yourself to do outlandish and silly characters if you can make anyone who wants to talk shit about it look like they've been through a trash compactor.
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