XIII
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Post by XIII on Jan 21, 2023 15:09:33 GMT -5
I get the every man for themselves thing but Quake ran in that thing and made a beeline for Typhoon like he owed him money. LMAO. Not great booking. That whole Rumble is kind of a mess between them acting like Backlund is an ancient geezer at 43(even though Flair looks and is older), Disasters exploding for no reason, Macho trying to pin Yoko, Hawk with some impressive no-selling(even for Hawk), some major scrubs in this thing, and Giant Gonzalez(who “must be 20 or 30 feet tall” according to Heenan). One of the worst Rumbles for me. Hawk? He wasn’t in the 93 rumble. Ah man, that was 92 then, I watched them both recently. Then again maybe it was 91 lol
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Post by fw91 on Jan 21, 2023 15:10:03 GMT -5
Hawk? He wasn’t in the 93 rumble. Ah man, that was 92 then, I watched them both recently. lol Actually 91 lol
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Jan 22, 2023 9:29:01 GMT -5
All very valid points lol Earthquake is probably the only credible opponent Dibiase ever beat with the Million Dollar Dream. It's real telling how ineffective that move was against name opponents when I think the next credible guy after Quake that jobbed to the Dream was the Red Rooster. I guess they didn't want anyone who they thought had any value getting sleepered out and on top of that if asked most guys above lower midcard back then would probably outright refuse if asked. I'm honestly surprised Quake didn't refuse to be honest. And Quake was also super protected up to that point when it came to doing televised jobs which made the finish of that match even more surprising. I think his only televised pin/submission losses in three years up to that point were to Warrior (Home Video) and Jake (MSG and televised only in that market). I think it was a sign of the times back then. I never really paid attention until I watched that Top 50 Finishers DVD that WWE released 12 or 13 years ago. Finishers like the Rude Awakening, Perfect Plex and even Jake's DDT for as protected as it was rarely beat anybody of name value. When they showed clips on that video of guys from the '80s and early 90's those moves are always being performed on jobbers. Jake might have injured people with the DDT, but how many people did he ever beat with it?
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 22, 2023 10:07:17 GMT -5
It's real telling how ineffective that move was against name opponents when I think the next credible guy after Quake that jobbed to the Dream was the Red Rooster. I guess they didn't want anyone who they thought had any value getting sleepered out and on top of that if asked most guys above lower midcard back then would probably outright refuse if asked. I'm honestly surprised Quake didn't refuse to be honest. And Quake was also super protected up to that point when it came to doing televised jobs which made the finish of that match even more surprising. I think his only televised pin/submission losses in three years up to that point were to Warrior (Home Video) and Jake (MSG and televised only in that market). I think it was a sign of the times back then. I never really paid attention until I watched that Top 50 Finishers DVD that WWE released 12 or 13 years ago. Finishers like the Rude Awakening, Perfect Plex and even Jake's DDT for as protected as it was rarely beat anybody of name value. When they showed clips on that video of guys from the '80s and early 90's those moves are always being performed on jobbers. Jake might have injured people with the DDT, but how many people did he ever beat with it? That’s really more the nature of the business back then. You would get mostly jobber matches on TV with only occasional star vs. star matches and a good amount of those star vs. star matches would end in non-finishes. If they were around now, they’d all be facing each other every week on Raw or Smackdown and getting more wins with their finishers.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jan 22, 2023 16:01:25 GMT -5
It's real telling how ineffective that move was against name opponents when I think the next credible guy after Quake that jobbed to the Dream was the Red Rooster. I guess they didn't want anyone who they thought had any value getting sleepered out and on top of that if asked most guys above lower midcard back then would probably outright refuse if asked. I'm honestly surprised Quake didn't refuse to be honest. And Quake was also super protected up to that point when it came to doing televised jobs which made the finish of that match even more surprising. I think his only televised pin/submission losses in three years up to that point were to Warrior (Home Video) and Jake (MSG and televised only in that market). I think it was a sign of the times back then. I never really paid attention until I watched that Top 50 Finishers DVD that WWE released 12 or 13 years ago. Finishers like the Rude Awakening, Perfect Plex and even Jake's DDT for as protected as it was rarely beat anybody of name value. When they showed clips on that video of guys from the '80s and early 90's those moves are always being performed on jobbers. Jake might have injured people with the DDT, but how many people did he ever beat with it? Jake's DDT was still probably the most effective finisher against name opponents around that time other then Hogan's legdrop and Warrior's splash. Off the top of my head I've seen him use it to pin Rick Rude, Quake, Rick Martel, and Bad News Brown. All of those guys were highish level heels from 88 to 90 with two of them in Quake and Bad News being super protected when it came to doing jobs. And nobody ever kicked out of it. It didn't win matches with name guys a ton but that's because as mentioned due to how things were run back then with more enhancement matches and more non finishes in star vs. star matches. However moves like Rude Awakening and Perfect Plex never beat anyone of value. Strongest guys they would use it to pin were at like Tito and Snuka level. Perfect Plex I think actually might be the most ineffective finisher from that era as far as getting kicked out of goes. Hogan and Warrior kicked out of it which is no surprise as they kicked out of everything but even Boss Man and 1991 Bret Hart also kicked out of it.
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Post by Stu on Jan 23, 2023 2:57:24 GMT -5
Whatever. We got the Shockmaster
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Jan 23, 2023 10:19:07 GMT -5
I think it was a sign of the times back then. I never really paid attention until I watched that Top 50 Finishers DVD that WWE released 12 or 13 years ago. Finishers like the Rude Awakening, Perfect Plex and even Jake's DDT for as protected as it was rarely beat anybody of name value. When they showed clips on that video of guys from the '80s and early 90's those moves are always being performed on jobbers. Jake might have injured people with the DDT, but how many people did he ever beat with it? That’s really more the nature of the business back then. You would get mostly jobber matches on TV with only occasional star vs. star matches and a good amount of those star vs. star matches would end in non-finishes. If they were around now, they’d all be facing each other every week on Raw or Smackdown and getting more wins with their finishers. I think we're saying the same thing here.
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Post by XaviersSS2015hair on Jan 23, 2023 10:20:11 GMT -5
I think it was a sign of the times back then. I never really paid attention until I watched that Top 50 Finishers DVD that WWE released 12 or 13 years ago. Finishers like the Rude Awakening, Perfect Plex and even Jake's DDT for as protected as it was rarely beat anybody of name value. When they showed clips on that video of guys from the '80s and early 90's those moves are always being performed on jobbers. Jake might have injured people with the DDT, but how many people did he ever beat with it? Jake's DDT was still probably the most effective finisher against name opponents around that time other then Hogan's legdrop and Warrior's splash. Off the top of my head I've seen him use it to pin Rick Rude, Quake, Rick Martel, and Bad News Brown. All of those guys were highish level heels from 88 to 90 with two of them in Quake and Bad News being super protected when it came to doing jobs. And nobody ever kicked out of it. It didn't win matches with name guys a ton but that's because as mentioned due to how things were run back then with more enhancement matches and more non finishes in star vs. star matches. However moves like Rude Awakening and Perfect Plex never beat anyone of value. Strongest guys they would use it to pin were at like Tito and Snuka level. Perfect Plex I think actually might be the most ineffective finisher from that era as far as getting kicked out of goes. Hogan and Warrior kicked out of it which is no surprise as they kicked out of everything but even Boss Man and 1991 Bret Hart also kicked out of it. I'm not saying you're wrong I'm just saying I don't remember him ever beating Quake or Bad News with it. Must have been on House shows. The only big name opponent I recall the Perfect Plex ever beating is when Perfect regained the IC title from Texas Tornado. Although Perfect put the move on an already unconscious Tornado thanks to a belt shot from DiBiase.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Jan 23, 2023 16:43:00 GMT -5
Jake's DDT was still probably the most effective finisher against name opponents around that time other then Hogan's legdrop and Warrior's splash. Off the top of my head I've seen him use it to pin Rick Rude, Quake, Rick Martel, and Bad News Brown. All of those guys were highish level heels from 88 to 90 with two of them in Quake and Bad News being super protected when it came to doing jobs. And nobody ever kicked out of it. It didn't win matches with name guys a ton but that's because as mentioned due to how things were run back then with more enhancement matches and more non finishes in star vs. star matches. However moves like Rude Awakening and Perfect Plex never beat anyone of value. Strongest guys they would use it to pin were at like Tito and Snuka level. Perfect Plex I think actually might be the most ineffective finisher from that era as far as getting kicked out of goes. Hogan and Warrior kicked out of it which is no surprise as they kicked out of everything but even Boss Man and 1991 Bret Hart also kicked out of it. I'm not saying you're wrong I'm just saying I don't remember him ever beating Quake or Bad News with it. Must have been on House shows. The only big name opponent I recall the Perfect Plex ever beating is when Perfect regained the IC title from Texas Tornado. Although Perfect put the move on an already unconscious Tornado thanks to a belt shot from DiBiase. They were both on MSG shows. So still televised although not many were seeing it at the time. Still though watching those matches years later it was still shocking seeing both Bad News and Quake get DDTed and pin. I just assumed they would end in a DQ or something as that's what always seemed to happen in that era when two upper midcard guys had matches with each other. Completely forgot about Tornado. Definitely the highest profile guy Perfect beat with it during his heel run. He also pinned him with it at Survivor Series too and somewhat clean as well although he ram him into an exposed turnbuckle prior. I also forgot he pinned Flair with it too in the Loser Leaves Town match on one of the early Raw's.
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