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Post by H-Virus on Jan 24, 2023 14:59:55 GMT -5
Sting’s heel turn in 1999. I can’t even remember if he had a reason for doing so (other than the reason of ‘Hogan didn’t want to do it’), but it didn’t really matter because nobody wanted to boo him and he went right back to being a face again about a month later.
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Post by dav on Jan 24, 2023 15:45:36 GMT -5
I don’t remember the lead-up, were there breadcrumbs leading to Tugboat turning on Hogan? Tugboat tried to attack Hogan from behind at the Royal Rumble and got eliminated himself, so there was that. Not sure about anything else.
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Post by Renslayer on Jan 24, 2023 15:49:51 GMT -5
Orton being a de-facto face after Triple H turned on him after Summerslam 2004. Just made no sense as Orton was a villain who did horrible things for like 18 months by that point and never got a shred of comeuppens, and now we're supposed to cheer him against Triple H? YES! Having other heels turn on you doesn't make you a face, it makes you a dumbass. It's not like it has to take long either, that turn, the next night have HHH tell Orton to lay down for him, Orton gives a passionate promo about the blood sweat and tears he's shed for it, they seemingly patch things up but later in the night HHH goes to turn on Orton, RKO out of nowhere he stands tall, the next week have a segment with Mick mending fences, putting over how tough Orton is. There, may not be perfect but you have the moment of realisation, the face getting one over, seeming intelligent and making some amends for his past. It felt like they thought the Benoit handshake at the end of summerslam would be enough to cement the face turn, but didn't do any prep work leading up to it for an orton face turn to make sense. Just laziness on their part
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Post by queenfan12 on Jan 25, 2023 5:51:51 GMT -5
Probably controversial, but Jake Roberts in '91. I don't know how others feel but I just think it's weird that in April they have the segment of Earthquake squashing Damien and set Jake up as this sympathetic face who wants revenge for his friends death, and then a few months later is the segment where he tricks Warrior into getting bitten by a snake and revealing that he's in cahoots with Undertaker and Paul Bearer.
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Post by CeilingFan on Jan 25, 2023 6:01:04 GMT -5
Probably controversial, but Jake Roberts in '91. I don't know how others feel but I just think it's weird that in April they have the segment of Earthquake squashing Damien and set Jake up as this sympathetic face who wants revenge for his friends death, and then a few months later is the segment where he tricks Warrior into getting bitten by a snake and revealing that he's in cahoots with Undertaker and Paul Bearer. Even worse, Jake and Earthquake were set to be partners at the Survivor Series!
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jan 25, 2023 6:18:20 GMT -5
They should've had Orton and Batista turn on Flair/HHH after Orton won the title. Give the whole "Evolution, has passed you by" speech and become uber-heels. HHH and Flair disappear for a while and maybe come back as faces or leading some other heel stable. I wouldn't want to give up or change the HHH/Batista feud though. Me too. I also felt at that point of the run, it would been hard to turn HHH right of his reign of terror. Most fans wouldn't be wanting to cheer on HHH to win the belt back I don't think.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jan 25, 2023 9:04:48 GMT -5
Probably controversial, but Jake Roberts in '91. I don't know how others feel but I just think it's weird that in April they have the segment of Earthquake squashing Damien and set Jake up as this sympathetic face who wants revenge for his friends death, and then a few months later is the segment where he tricks Warrior into getting bitten by a snake and revealing that he's in cahoots with Undertaker and Paul Bearer. Even worse, Jake and Earthquake were set to be partners at the Survivor Series! Jake could definitely have made that work, talking about how Earthquake took away the good, set him on his true path again, could have got some epic promos out of that dynamic.
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on Jan 25, 2023 9:35:27 GMT -5
I don’t remember the lead-up, were there breadcrumbs leading to Tugboat turning on Hogan? They did fight one another during a Battle Royal if I recall. Was that before or after he tried to throw him out at the 91 rumble?
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jan 25, 2023 15:32:50 GMT -5
Edge’s heel turn in 2010 after Mania felt very sudden after he came back as a face to win the Rumble that year. Then that didn’t long and he was back as a face by the Autumn to feud with World Champion Kane. They mabye just turned because he got drafted to Raw. The stuff with Nexus and him turning on Cena in the Match with Jericho was pretty good booked, basically the only positive thing about that whole Match sadly. IIRC, Edge turning face in the fall had his whole “war on Stupid” gimmick which led to him destroying the Anonymous Raw GM laptop and then the Kane feud for some reason.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Jan 25, 2023 16:23:03 GMT -5
WCW's last couple of years had a bunch of these. They did it with Nash so many times. They turned him so often Big Show would be proud.
Look at his 1999-2000. He starts 99 as a face and new world champion. Turns heel on the first Nitro of the year and gives away the title. Was somehow babyface again by Slamboree. Turns heel again after Bash at the Beach. Was "retired" at Road Wild then returns a couple of months with Hall acting like comedy babyfaces but then starts feuding with faces like Bret/Goldberg/Sid so ends up heel. Turns face in early 2000 despite just weeks earlier forming a new heel NWO. Turns heel again in August, wins the world title and starts another new group with Russo/Steiner/Jarrett but that group is also forgotten within weeks and by around October/November he's a face again teaming with DDP.
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Post by S-Chrome on Jan 25, 2023 19:56:04 GMT -5
In re: Randy Orton's face turn.
Yes, the guy was booked to be an asshole that did horrible things to people. Then again, so did HHH. I mean, leading up to the Summerslam, he was terrorizing a mentally-challenged Eugene after trying to use him to regain the World Heavyweight Championship (and dismantling his mentor William Regal in the process). Throughout the early Summer, he couldn't beat Benoit, but Orton did. Then on top of that, he demanded that Orton lay down for him to take 'his' rightful spot as champion... I mean, on top of all the other shitty things H did during his reign of terror up to that point. (The aforementioned Eugene, trying to break Shawn Michaels' back, Katie Vick, the bounty on Goldberg, Booker T, etc...) I can say that H was probably more of a deplorable asshole than Orton was.
Hell, can't say that for the first couple of weeks, Orton wasn't over. That was one heck of a pop when he spat in Hunter's face.
Now after he lost the title at the next PPV? Total loss. No arguing that. Turned into a whiny, insufferable loser.
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