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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Dec 8, 2023 13:33:31 GMT -5
Oh, I 100% have some insanely unreal expectations for this. I'm okay with them not covering the Super manga, but I want everything from the Super anime in there. I highly doubt we'll get everyone from the Tournament of Power into the game. Some we didn't even get a good look on how they fought. While I doubt it's gonna be "everyone", if you slow down the end scene of the trailer with all the characters, they snuck Bergamo in there, so there's a good chance we'll see some deeper cuts that haven't made it in to a Dragon Ball game before.
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Dec 23, 2023 19:46:11 GMT -5
So this is a minor thing, but the official Dragon Ball Games Twitter account posted some screenshots of Super Saiyan Blue Goku, and they referred to him as "Goku (Super), Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan".
While it's not exactly surprising, it pretty much confirms we're getting multiple versions of some characters again, rather than one long through-line of transformations like some people online wanted.
Hopefully, they don't go too crazy with it and take up too many character slots. I feel like certain characters like Goku or Vegeta could pretty easily be cut down to just having a Z and Super form. Do what Raging Blast did and let people swap out certain special moves to match the saga the character is supposed to be from.
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Post by CMWaters on Dec 23, 2023 19:54:04 GMT -5
So this is a minor thing, but the official Dragon Ball Games Twitter account posted some screenshots of Super Saiyan Blue Goku, and they referred to him as "Goku (Super), Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan". While it's not exactly surprising, it pretty much confirms we're getting multiple versions of some characters again, rather than one long through-line of transformations like some people online wanted. Hopefully, they don't go too crazy with it and take up too many character slots. I feel like certain characters like Goku or Vegeta could pretty easily be cut down to just having a Z and Super form. Do what Raging Blast did and let people swap out certain special moves to match the saga the character is supposed to be from. They're just preparing you for the Daima DLC pack for all the playable characters.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Dec 24, 2023 1:46:57 GMT -5
So this is a minor thing, but the official Dragon Ball Games Twitter account posted some screenshots of Super Saiyan Blue Goku, and they referred to him as "Goku (Super), Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan". While it's not exactly surprising, it pretty much confirms we're getting multiple versions of some characters again, rather than one long through-line of transformations like some people online wanted. Hopefully, they don't go too crazy with it and take up too many character slots. I feel like certain characters like Goku or Vegeta could pretty easily be cut down to just having a Z and Super form. Do what Raging Blast did and let people swap out certain special moves to match the saga the character is supposed to be from. Wasn’t the mid fight transformations a Budokai mechanic? The Sparking/Tenkaichi games always had separate versions for fighter with multiple forms have they not? Honestly, it’s been years since I’ve spend much time with either series so I can’t remember if I’m right or completely out to lunch
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Dec 24, 2023 9:44:17 GMT -5
So this is a minor thing, but the official Dragon Ball Games Twitter account posted some screenshots of Super Saiyan Blue Goku, and they referred to him as "Goku (Super), Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan". While it's not exactly surprising, it pretty much confirms we're getting multiple versions of some characters again, rather than one long through-line of transformations like some people online wanted. Hopefully, they don't go too crazy with it and take up too many character slots. I feel like certain characters like Goku or Vegeta could pretty easily be cut down to just having a Z and Super form. Do what Raging Blast did and let people swap out certain special moves to match the saga the character is supposed to be from. Wasn’t the mid fight transformations a Budokai mechanic? The Sparking/Tenkaichi games always had separate versions for fighter with multiple forms have they not? Honestly, it’s been years since I’ve spend much time with either series so I can’t remember if I’m right or completely out to lunch The Sparking games also had mid-fight transformations, but you could pick the transformations at character select, which you couldn't do in Budokai. So, you could be Perfect Cell at the start of the fight, rather than having to start as Imperfect Cell and work your way up. In BT3, however, to accommodate all the different moves, some characters had multiple versions, depending on what part of the story they were from. For example, there were 3 base form Gokus (Early, Mid and End), 2 SS1 forms (Mid & End), and then SS2 and SS3 for End. So there were 7 character slots taken up by Z Goku, when you really only needed 4. Raging Blast kinda fixed this, by letting you swap certain special moves, meaning they didn't need 3 different base forms for Z Goku, because you could just give him different moves for different sagas.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Dec 24, 2023 12:07:47 GMT -5
Wasn’t the mid fight transformations a Budokai mechanic? The Sparking/Tenkaichi games always had separate versions for fighter with multiple forms have they not? Honestly, it’s been years since I’ve spend much time with either series so I can’t remember if I’m right or completely out to lunch The Sparking games also had mid-fight transformations, but you could pick the transformations at character select, which you couldn't do in Budokai. So, you could be Perfect Cell at the start of the fight, rather than having to start as Imperfect Cell and work your way up. In BT3, however, to accommodate all the different moves, some characters had multiple versions, depending on what part of the story they were from. For example, there were 3 base form Gokus (Early, Mid and End), 2 SS1 forms (Mid & End), and then SS2 and SS3 for End. So there were 7 character slots taken up by Z Goku, when you really only needed 4. Raging Blast kinda fixed this, by letting you swap certain special moves, meaning they didn't need 3 different base forms for Z Goku, because you could just give him different moves for different sagas. Thanks for the explanation. Might be time to head to the garage and fire up the ol’ PS2
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Jan 23, 2024 16:23:09 GMT -5
According to the official Dragon Ball Games Twitter account, there's going to be a presentation on YouTube this Sunday about various game news, including a new trailer for Sparking Zero.
Interested to see if anything beyond characters gets confirmed, or if it'll just be another "here's who's in the game, get hyped" type trailer.
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Post by chrom on Jan 28, 2024 18:47:32 GMT -5
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Jan 28, 2024 18:49:32 GMT -5
The new trailer just launched here:New details confirmed: -giant characters are back, since Saiyan Saga Vegeta transforms into his Great Ape form (haven't been playable in a BT-type game since BT3) -different sagas are still being counted as separate characters (for example, we have four base level Gokus on the character select screen at the end: Saiyan Saga, Frieza Saga, Cell/Buu Saga, Super) -If the end screen is an accurate depiction of roster size, the base roster at launch is gonna be about 164 characters & transformations, which is already more than BT3 Overall, not super hype about multiple versions of the same level of character again, but everything else is fantastic. I'm just wondering who gets cut and/or held back for DLC (you know it's coming). EDIT: Another thing I just noticed on re-watch is that Majin Vegeta is right next to the other Buu Saga Vegetas, similar to the other transformations. I wonder if that means we'll be able to transform from SS2 to Majin, or if he'll just be a separate character again, and his picture is just next to the others because it's a Vegeta from the same saga. EDIT 2: Based on positioning, it looks like the character screen is divided by saga: Saiyan saga/Z fighters/maybe Dragon Ball top left, Frieza/Cell top right, Buu bottom left, Super middle-to-bottom right. Suggests that Super is gonna make up a large chunk of the roster (assuming that movie characters and GT don't make up part of that section). I also noticed that Android 18 is in the Cell section, while 17 is in the Super section (kinda makes sense, he's in his Tournament of Power outfit). This suggests one of two things to me: either they're mostly gonna use 17's ToP moveset, and give him the Cell saga outfit as an alternate costume, or we're getting two 17s (and possibly two 18s).
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Post by chrom on Jan 28, 2024 18:50:53 GMT -5
I'd rather not have ten different playable versions of Goku and Vegeta like BT3 did
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Jan 28, 2024 19:02:59 GMT -5
I'd rather not have ten different playable versions of Goku and Vegeta like BT3 did I agree, I'd rather they'd have just gone with the customizable supers and costumes for all forms like Raging Blast did, but it looks like we're SOL on that front.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2024 19:23:17 GMT -5
Not like the other games were balanced at all but lol this is gonna be hilarious when someone just takes a SaibaMan and shows off how f*** busted the character is because no one cared to even try and balance 160+ characters.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Jan 28, 2024 19:31:04 GMT -5
I just want stupid stuff like Arele being one of the few people to be able to break super armor or Devilman's damage being greater against villains.
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Jan 28, 2024 19:47:07 GMT -5
Not like the other games were balanced at all but lol this is gonna be hilarious when someone just takes a SaibaMan and shows off how f*** busted the character is because no one cared to even try and balance 160+ characters. See, to me, the lack of balance is part of the fun. Characters aren't power-scaled based on what the ongoing meta is, or who needs buffing/nerfing to make them "viable", they're power-scaled based on how strong they were in the show. If your opponent picks Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta, and you decide to pick Raditz, you'd better be really good at the game, because SS4 Gogeta is objectively better than Raditz in every conceivable way- just like in the show. The Budokai Tenkaichi/Sparking series is not for competitive gaming. BT/Sparking is made for "wouldn't it be funny if Kid Buu just absolutely shit-stomped Dodoria? Pink supremacy!"
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Post by Ganon83 on Jan 28, 2024 20:34:03 GMT -5
Not like the other games were balanced at all but lol this is gonna be hilarious when someone just takes a SaibaMan and shows off how f*** busted the character is because no one cared to even try and balance 160+ characters. See, to me, the lack of balance is part of the fun. Characters aren't power-scaled based on what the ongoing meta is, or who needs buffing/nerfing to make them "viable", they're power-scaled based on how strong they were in the show. If your opponent picks Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta, and you decide to pick Raditz, you'd better be really good at the game, because SS4 Gogeta is objectively better than Raditz in every conceivable way- just like in the show. The Budokai Tenkaichi/Sparking series is not for competitive gaming. BT/Sparking is made for "wouldn't it be funny if Kid Buu just absolutely shit-stomped Dodoria? Pink supremacy!" It's basically a kid ramming their DBZ action figures together tbh
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jan 28, 2024 21:18:25 GMT -5
Aw shit son, I can't wait to f*** people up as Appule!
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Jan 28, 2024 23:44:37 GMT -5
Me and a buddy would literally spend all day playing each other and using different teams every time. My friend literally never lost to any of our friends no matter what combination of fighters he or anyone else choose for him. I would spend afternoon to later evening playing him in hopes of beating him ONE time. I cheesed him once and beat him but never legit. This is the time for our rematch and this time I'm totally beating my friend lol.
So many fond memories of BT 3 and hopefully BT 4 can match it.
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Jan 30, 2024 0:32:25 GMT -5
So, just did a little roster math here:
Budokai Tenkaichi 3 had a total roster of 162, including transformations.
Sparking Zero appears to have a base roster of 164, assuming the chart in the new trailer is accurate and there are no hidden character slots. Only two more slots than the previous game.
Between the two trailers, we have already confirmed 12-14 new characters (12 if Super-era 17 and Future Trunks are merged with their Z counterparts, 14 if they're separate characters).
So, safe to assume we're going to see some roster cuts to accommodate all the new Super characters.
If I had to take a guess, the cuts are going to be the more minor characters with bare-bones movesets (Nail, King Cold, Supreme Kai, etc.), all the non-Z fighter Dragon Ball characters, all the GT characters, non-canon transformations like Great Ape Nappa and Raditz, and probably all but the most popular movie villains.
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Post by Soultastic on Jan 30, 2024 12:04:21 GMT -5
I'd prefer a new Budokai but I'll take it.
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Post by CMWaters on Jan 30, 2024 12:16:54 GMT -5
No playable Adult Chi-Chi, no buys.
Give her a moveset based off her Super Dragon Ball Z one.
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