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Post by LiamMcDuggle on Dec 16, 2023 2:50:33 GMT -5
One thing I never got is, why do so many people "hate watch" YouTubers/online stars, or give them free attention? My ef would talk endlessly about how she hated Logan Paul, and her entire history was either his videos or commentaries from other YouTubers ABOUT Logan Paul. She did the same with another food Youtuber named Amber-lynn. Trust me, your mental health will be WAY better if you just ignore and don't think about people you don't like. I think it's complicated, as someone who has been there. It depends on why they feel the way they do. Sometimes it's a feeling of self-righteousness, the "I'm not as bad as this person." Another (and I think more common) aspect is the idea of feeding off anger. Some people like being angry, in a weird way. I'm over simplifying like mad here, and there's definitely other reasons I'm missing, but those are the two that immediately come to mind. Some of it just feels like plain bullying, with a guise of "equity" smushed over it. Amber-lynn started a blog to show her weight loss journey. She clearly has mental health issues and has put on weight because of those issues. Now she has a sizable YouTube audience, most of which just watch to see her fail. Like does anyone see how terrible this is?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 16, 2023 3:48:42 GMT -5
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Post by Gunhaver on Dec 16, 2023 10:24:27 GMT -5
I think it's complicated, as someone who has been there. It depends on why they feel the way they do. Sometimes it's a feeling of self-righteousness, the "I'm not as bad as this person." Another (and I think more common) aspect is the idea of feeding off anger. Some people like being angry, in a weird way. I'm over simplifying like mad here, and there's definitely other reasons I'm missing, but those are the two that immediately come to mind. Some of it just feels like plain bullying, with a guise of "equity" smushed over it. Amber-lynn started a blog to show her weight loss journey. She clearly has mental health issues and has put on weight because of those issues. Now she has a sizable YouTube audience, most of which just watch to see her fail. Like does anyone see how terrible this is? Oh yeah, absolutely, that's another aspect of it. Some people tie themselves into knots justifying it, too. But at the end of the day it's bullying for the sake of it. That's pretty much the YouTube drama ecosystem at this point.
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Post by Facetious on Dec 16, 2023 10:27:42 GMT -5
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 16, 2023 13:03:41 GMT -5
Man, that's pathetic. All he needed to do was donate the money, apologise for making fraudulent claims on the IndieLand streams, and make it clear he would not be involved in any charity drives in the future and he'd have been okay. Instead he dug a deeper hole for himself, got caught in lie after lie, and will be lucky if he retains even a third of his audience while burning bridges with the indie game world.
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Post by tirtefaa on Dec 16, 2023 13:45:36 GMT -5
Man, that's pathetic. All he needed to do was donate the money, apologise for making fraudulent claims on the IndieLand streams, and make it clear he would not be involved in any charity drives in the future and he'd have been okay. Instead he dug a deeper hole for himself, got caught in lie after lie, and will be lucky if he retains even a third of his audience while burning bridges with the indie game world. I doubt even this is the end of it. Once they dig into the golf events,I wouldn't be surprised to see the entire family as a part of this scam. The problem with Jirard was that he had enough eyes on him where someone would eventually find out. There's even the possibility that the 600k was sitting there as an example of a liquid asset where he could potentially use it to benefit himself directly in other ways. Too much hubris from Jirard. I always got that vibe even with his minor controversies from back in the day, so I'm guessing he felt his 'response' of "I'm sorry you felt that way" despite the overwhelming evidence to.the contrary...yeah, his career is done.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 16, 2023 14:24:23 GMT -5
I doubt even this is the end of it. Once they dig into the golf events,I wouldn't be surprised to see the entire family as a part of this scam. The problem with Jirard was that he had enough eyes on him where someone would eventually find out. There's even the possibility that the 600k was sitting there as an example of a liquid asset where he could potentially use it to benefit himself directly in other ways. Too much hubris from Jirard. I always got that vibe even with his minor controversies from back in the day, so I'm guessing he felt his 'response' of "I'm sorry you felt that way" despite the overwhelming evidence to.the contrary...yeah, his career is done. What little I've read about Jirard's father makes me believe that he is the one calling the shots. Jirard just happens to be a good face for the whole thing.
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Post by Hurbster on Dec 16, 2023 20:53:00 GMT -5
That would be why he's not been involved in the Scary Game squad recently.
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Dec 17, 2023 0:46:09 GMT -5
Yeah this sounds like a "Look at all the crap I had to deal with, I'm the victim, not you.". I'm not mad at all this, just extremely disappointed. Back then I really thought Jirard was one of the good ones. I kind of fell out of his stuff because it was clear it became more uploading as many videos up as possible to make a quick buck rather than making a good product so I kind of fell out of the loop. You just don't know people sometimes. Always hold your heroes accountable.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 18, 2023 18:47:18 GMT -5
Jobst and Muta have released the full Discord call.
The inconsistencies between what Jirard admits to here and the claims he makes in his official response are huge.
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Post by tirtefaa on Dec 18, 2023 21:59:20 GMT -5
Jobst and Muta have released the full Discord call. The inconsistencies between what Jirard admits to here and the claims he makes in his official response are huge. Not that I'm ever going to assume that Karl and Muta started investigating this with good intentions, but they actually did give Jirard the benefit of the doubt for the most part as far as not going too hard on them with their initial video, but Jirard flat out accuses them of attacking him and his family, which absolutely is the wrong route to go. While this audio only reinforces what Karl and Muta said, it also shows how desperate Jirard was to try to get them to bury it. Multiple times he comes back with "what can I do to ____" even after they have provided him what would be the right thing. But obviously for him it wasn't about doing "the right thing", it was about saving his image.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 18, 2023 22:14:16 GMT -5
Not that I'm ever going to assume that Karl and Muta started investigating this with good intentions Karl at least is happy to admit that good intentions was never his primary motivation. And he's 100% right. Most real investigative journalists don't cover subjects out of altruism, they're doing their jobs and any outcome, negative or positive, is a secondary concern.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 20, 2023 20:40:59 GMT -5
The comments section is gold:
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 21, 2023 4:15:39 GMT -5
Jobst and Muta have released the full Discord call. The inconsistencies between what Jirard admits to here and the claims he makes in his official response are huge. I know Jirard is demonstrating that he's scummy now, but did he know he was being recorded here? Because recording someone without their permission up front is pretty gross, and actually illegal in my country. You have to get police warrants to do that shit.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 21, 2023 5:19:22 GMT -5
I know Jirard is demonstrating that he's scummy now, but did he know he was being recorded here? Because recording someone without their permission up front is pretty gross, and actually illegal in my country. You have to get police warrants to do that shit. It's stated in the other videos that he was informed ahead of time that the calls would be recorded and he agreed to participate.
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Dec 21, 2023 5:38:08 GMT -5
Speaking of rabbit holes
Wavywebsurf, one the original YouTube channels that inspired this thread, and so far the one who hasn’t themselves been cancelled, put out a compilation of interesting stories. Also, respect for not jumping on the cancel pile on of fellow YouTubers.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 21, 2023 5:50:25 GMT -5
I know Jirard is demonstrating that he's scummy now, but did he know he was being recorded here? Because recording someone without their permission up front is pretty gross, and actually illegal in my country. You have to get police warrants to do that shit. It's stated in the other videos that he was informed ahead of time that the calls would be recorded and he agreed to participate. HA! Wow, so he's also an idiot. Cool, I withdraw my critique
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 21, 2023 5:57:05 GMT -5
Jobst and Muta have released the full Discord call. The inconsistencies between what Jirard admits to here and the claims he makes in his official response are huge. I know Jirard is demonstrating that he's scummy now, but did he know he was being recorded here? Because recording someone without their permission up front is pretty gross, and actually illegal in my country. You have to get police warrants to do that shit. In the US it varies state to state. Some require consent, some don't.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 21, 2023 5:58:02 GMT -5
I know Jirard is demonstrating that he's scummy now, but did he know he was being recorded here? Because recording someone without their permission up front is pretty gross, and actually illegal in my country. You have to get police warrants to do that shit. In the US it varies state to state. Some require consent, some don't. If you scroll up, it transpires he agreed to it anyway, like the f***ing dingus that he is
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Post by Cyno on Dec 21, 2023 18:33:34 GMT -5
Speaking of ripping off people for charity. Holy moly.
It should be noted that a lot of these streamers claimed to be completely in the dark about Softgiving keeping a significant amount of charity money raised in their own pockets.
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