Seth Rollins is NOT World Heavyweight Champion

[polarbearpete]

Apr 24, 2023 21:15:15 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Apr 24, 2023 21:11:16 GMT -5 polarbearpete said:

Exactly, the announcement won’t matter once we’re actually dealing with new feuds and stories for a top title. Especially with the roster split being more strongly enforced.

It does kinda matter though, the whole "Roman's holding the belt forever and he's part time" sucks, this basically being the belt you win because Roman won't lose, sucks

This belt honestly won't feel like it truly matters until Roman loses, which is what basically everything hinges on anymore and it's... just not happening

I disagree, I think with a stricter brand split (which is usually what happens post-draft), an entire show and its stars will be revolving around this new title and it will seem extremely important.

Think of all the great feuds and title wins there have been over the years with the non-Cena, or non-Brock, or non-Roman world titles when there have been two.

[Starshine]

So... this is what Cody's winning, right?

[EoE: Well There's Your Problem]

Apr 24, 2023 21:14:36 GMT -5 Starshine said:

It looks alright. In terms of what WWE's produced recently, it's on the better end.

Oh, I figured this was for Roman. This has got mad WCW International World Heavyweight Title vibes.

It's possible. Like, this isn't the kind of thing you draw up and make on a whim. They could've been sitting on this for months.

[Ozman]

Nice looking belt. I don’t see them retiring the original WWE title lineage that’s been around for about 60 years, and it doesn’t make sense to retire the Universal title since Roman has had it for around 1000 days. The best thing to do is to retcon Triple H saying this is a new title. Simply continue Roman’s Universal title reign, and have the new title take over the lineage of the WWE title.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Apr 24, 2023 21:17:37 GMT -5 polarbearpete said:

Apr 24, 2023 21:15:15 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

It does kinda matter though, the whole "Roman's holding the belt forever and he's part time" sucks, this basically being the belt you win because Roman won't lose, sucks

This belt honestly won't feel like it truly matters until Roman loses, which is what basically everything hinges on anymore and it's... just not happening

I disagree, I think with a stricter brand split (which is usually what happens post-draft), an entire show and its stars will be revolving around this new title and it will seem extremely important.

When Roman has beaten everyone and kept a belt for three years to the point that HHH has to come out and say "Now you guys can have another champion since Roman isn't losing" it does not make this title seem important, it makes it seem like the consolation prize that it is

Can it get good storylines, good champions, and good moments? Yes. Does that discount how it was introduced and its purpose being the "I couldn't beat Roman but I got this" title? No. It will have that stench over it until Roman loses his own belt, and that's not happening, it's not happening so hard they MADE THIS BELT BECAUSE OF IT lol

And unless they retire the Universal Title eventually, it's redundant as f*** too

[Alice Syndrome]

Honestly apart from the WWE championship replacing the old scratch version I swear every belt's last changeover has been to an uglier belt

IC Title sucks.
US title sucks.
Tag titles suck.
This is just Big Gold but ugly.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Apr 24, 2023 21:18:21 GMT -5 Starshine said:

So... this is what Cody's winning, right?

I hope not since him winning the consolation belt looks even worse, especially when his storyline, I think, still is him dethroning Roman...

[polarbearpete]

Apr 24, 2023 21:18:30 GMT -5 EoE: Well There's Your Problem said:

Apr 24, 2023 21:14:36 GMT -5 Starshine said:

It looks alright. In terms of what WWE's produced recently, it's on the better end.

Oh, I figured this was for Roman. This has got mad WCW International World Heavyweight Title vibes.

It's possible. Like, this isn't the kind of thing you draw up and make on a whim. They could've been sitting on this for months.

Meltzer reported months ago that if they got Rock for Mania 39, they were going to create a new Raw world title to be crowned at Mania with Cody, Rollins and Drew the primary contenders. So they were definitely sitting on this.

[EoE: Well There's Your Problem]

Apr 24, 2023 21:19:33 GMT -5 Ozman said:

Nice looking belt. I don’t see them retiring the original WWE title lineage that’s been around for about 60 years, and it doesn’t make sense to retire the Universal title since Roman has had it for around 1000 days. The best thing to do is to retcon Triple H saying this is a new title. Simply continue Roman’s Universal title reign, and have the new title take over the lineage of the WWE title.

I reckon once he hits 1000 days with the Universal belt, they'll unify them.

[mc74]

Apr 24, 2023 21:15:15 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Apr 24, 2023 21:11:16 GMT -5 polarbearpete said:

Exactly, the announcement won’t matter once we’re actually dealing with new feuds and stories for a top title. Especially with the roster split being more strongly enforced.

It does kinda matter though, the whole "Roman's holding the belt forever and he's part time" sucks, this basically being the belt you win because Roman won't lose, sucks

This belt honestly won't feel like it truly matters until Roman loses, which is what basically everything hinges on anymore and it's... just not happening

It's not only lazy writing, but having that as the reason behind bringing back the WHC does the belt no favors. Prestige is gone right then & there.

[polarbearpete]

Apr 24, 2023 21:19:33 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Apr 24, 2023 21:17:37 GMT -5 polarbearpete said:

I disagree, I think with a stricter brand split (which is usually what happens post-draft), an entire show and its stars will be revolving around this new title and it will seem extremely important.

When Roman has beaten everyone and kept a belt for three years to the point that HHH has to come out and say "Now you guys can have another champion since Roman isn't losing" it does not make this title seem important, it makes it seem like the consolation prize that it is

Can it get good storylines, good champions, and good moments? Yes. Does that discount how it was introduced and its purpose being the "I couldn't beat Roman but I got this" title? No. It will have that stench over it until Roman loses his own belt, and that's not happening, it's not happening so hard they MADE THIS BELT BECAUSE OF IT lol

And unless they retire the Universal Title eventually, it's redundant as f*** too

They’ll retire the Universal lineage once Roman loses.

And again, the introduction will be a distant memory and not be on people’s minds months from now when we’re into the feuds and new champions for this belt.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

I'm just gonna copy/paste what I said in the live thread from the Seth promo:

I feel like I've heard WWE wrestlers scream "WE FINALLY HAVE A WORLD TITLE WE CAN BE PROUD OF THAT ISN'T HELD HOSTAGE BY A PART TIMERS AND POLITICS" for almost a decade now and it's not f***ing changing.

[zero744]

Anyone remember when titles meant something?

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Apr 24, 2023 21:23:36 GMT -5 polarbearpete said:

Apr 24, 2023 21:19:33 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

When Roman has beaten everyone and kept a belt for three years to the point that HHH has to come out and say "Now you guys can have another champion since Roman isn't losing" it does not make this title seem important, it makes it seem like the consolation prize that it is

Can it get good storylines, good champions, and good moments? Yes. Does that discount how it was introduced and its purpose being the "I couldn't beat Roman but I got this" title? No. It will have that stench over it until Roman loses his own belt, and that's not happening, it's not happening so hard they MADE THIS BELT BECAUSE OF IT lol

And unless they retire the Universal Title eventually, it's redundant as f*** too

They’ll retire the Universal lineage once Roman loses.

And again, the introduction will be a distant memory and not be on people’s minds months from now when we’re into the feuds and new champions for this belt.

Maybe. Maybe they will, we don't know that, but they should

First impressions matter in wrestling man, the Universal Titles first impression sucked, it's been years, people still don't look at the belt fondly and WWE didn't help that. You act like WWE will book great feuds over this title and that is never a guarantee, but more so when it is the belt that is basically the third world title consolation prize when you can't beat Roman, and that's what it is right now no matter what the future might hold, that sucks, and it's not helped by wrestlers screaming about "Having a world title again" only stressing the issue that they haven't been able to win a world title in like three f***ing years

Maybe the future changes things, but the present sucks ass man, this isn't solving WWE's issues, it's only putting them on display further

[KingPooper]

It’s kinda like a wet fart as the booking for the entire company for the past year was who’s going to dethrone Roman.

[Nosnorb]

Quite frankly, this is a massive kick in the balls for the male members of the roster that aren't Roman Reigns.

It's a second rate title. At least when Trips got handed the title, Beastie Boy was made Smackdown exclusive.

[Toxik916]

I normally defend everything WWE does but this is stupid.

If they wanted each brand to have a specific top title they should have just made the U.S. title the number one Raw belt and The IC title the Smackdown Championship.

The WWE Undisputed Universal Championship is clearly the real title and the Superstar that holds it is the only person that can be on all brands. I would also amend the 30 day clause to 60 days. We should really only see this champion when it matters. Go back to Hogan era Championship booking.

This new title will never be as important as the championships Roman has. It might as well be the TV title.

[TWERKIN' MAGGLE]

Just accept that WWE's brands and world titles are in a cycle that will be constant.

They'll be unified and split depending on which way the wind is blowing forever.

[polarbearpete]

Apr 24, 2023 21:30:46 GMT -5 Nosnorb said:

Quite frankly, this is a massive kick in the balls for the male members of the roster that aren't Roman Reigns.

It's a second rate title. At least when Trips got handed the title, Beastie Boy was made Smackdown exclusive.

Roman is going to be brand exclusive too.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Apr 24, 2023 21:39:50 GMT -5 polarbearpete said:

Apr 24, 2023 21:30:46 GMT -5 Nosnorb said:

Quite frankly, this is a massive kick in the balls for the male members of the roster that aren't Roman Reigns.

It's a second rate title. At least when Trips got handed the title, Beastie Boy was made Smackdown exclusive.

Roman is going to be brand exclusive too.

It doesn't matter. The belt was literally announced as the belt guys are gonna be fighting for because Roman's a part timer who doesn't lose

Putting Roman on one brand with his Bloodline BS is cool, but it doesn't take away from the fact that this belt has been presented, but now both HHH and Seth Rollins, as a belt wrestlers can finally fight for that "Isn't held by part timers and politics" because Roman holds both belts, the Universal Title being the original consolation prize before he won that too, they literally shit on their own booking in doing this, it's not a good look, at all.

It might lead to fun reigns and matches in the future, again, it doesn't matter when it's the consolation prize, and will be until Roman actually loses... and it's not happening, which is why the belt exists lol