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Post by Lizuka #BLM on May 20, 2023 22:03:43 GMT -5
The third episode of Star Trek TNG was a rehash of TOS' The Naked Time. It was even called The Naked Now! TNG had a lot of accusations of just recycling TOS plots in the first season. It wasn't until the 3rd season or so that they started having consistently good episodes. I could be wrong on this but that might be around the time Roddenbarry began playing less of a role? It's kind of fascinating how clearly you can mark TNG's quality curve. Season 1, dogshit. Season 2, still mostly terrible but even its bad episodes really aren't as bad as the first season and there are some really, really good ones in there. Season 3, still kind of figuring things out but suddenly vastly better. Season 4, 5, and 6, fantastic. Season 7, not exactly bad but they were clearly out of ideas and becoming way too dependent on Data and heretofore unmentioned relatives to fill time.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on May 20, 2023 22:41:08 GMT -5
Not a plot, but I think they had a rule from the mid 80’s to the mid 90’s you had to do a parody of that Tom Cruise scene from Risky Business.
Every show did one.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on May 21, 2023 1:29:10 GMT -5
Fresh Prince is the only time that subplot ever worked for me. Danny showing that he was a wiz at Pool and hustling Jesse was good
OK this has made me incredibly sad. Both Dad characters actor have passed away and seeing them in one post, together brings in joyful, yet painful memories
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on May 21, 2023 11:51:27 GMT -5
Super Sentai shows and “one or more of the team is brainwashed by the monster of the week” or “the teams face an evil copy version of themselves” plots.
Also extends to Power Rangers.
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Post by Zombie Mod on May 21, 2023 13:38:24 GMT -5
The Holodeck f***ed up so much I wonder why they even had one. it was the only way to stop Riker from going feral every night. DS9, Voyager and Stargate: SG1 all had an episode where one of the main cast has memories of a criminal act implanted into them as punishment for something they didnt do. Voyager & SG1 had the memories removed by the end of the episode as they prove the innocence of the crew member.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on May 21, 2023 13:59:42 GMT -5
DS9, Voyager and Stargate: SG1 all had an episode where one of the main cast has memories of a criminal act implanted into them as punishment for something they didnt do. Voyager & SG1 had the memories removed by the end of the episode as they prove the innocence of the crew member. TNG did a similar plot as well with "Frame of Mind".
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Post by Cyno on May 21, 2023 14:05:25 GMT -5
The third episode of Star Trek TNG was a rehash of TOS' The Naked Time. It was even called The Naked Now! TNG had a lot of accusations of just recycling TOS plots in the first season. It wasn't until the 3rd season or so that they started having consistently good episodes. I could be wrong on this but that might be around the time Roddenbarry began playing less of a role? Roddenberry was always given a lot more credit for Trek's greatness than he probably deserved. Like, he deserves credit for creating the thing and for its optimistic vision of the future. But a lot of the great individual episodes of TOS and TNG, as well as the good movies, were more in spite of him than because of him.
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Post by LiamMcDuggle on May 21, 2023 15:32:01 GMT -5
Danny showing that he was a wiz at Pool and hustling Jesse was good
OK this has made me incredibly sad. Both Dad characters actor have passed away and seeing them in one post, together brings in joyful, yet painful memories They are having the greatest billiards game in history right now in heaven
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Post by Feyrhausen on May 21, 2023 15:37:47 GMT -5
TNG had a lot of accusations of just recycling TOS plots in the first season. It wasn't until the 3rd season or so that they started having consistently good episodes. I could be wrong on this but that might be around the time Roddenbarry began playing less of a role? Roddenberry was always given a lot more credit for Trek's greatness than he probably deserved. Like, he deserves credit for creating the thing and for its optimistic vision of the future. But a lot of the great individual episodes of TOS and TNG, as well as the good movies, were more in spite of him than because of him. Even that optimistic vision wasnt really any more optimistic than most other sci fi out there. The diehard fans built it up in their heads, they heaped praise on Roddenberry,and he believed the hype. The movies improved when he was kicked out of power. TNG improved when he could not be involved anymore.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on May 21, 2023 16:33:08 GMT -5
The Holodeck f***ed up so much I wonder why they even had one. I think the weirdest thing about Holodeck malfunction episodes is that they also had plenty of episodes that were basically just that but using some other plot device instead. Like The Royale, there's really nothing meaningfully separating that from just being another Holodeck episode.
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Post by tirtefaa on May 21, 2023 17:36:29 GMT -5
Fresh Prince is the only time that subplot ever worked for me. Danny showing that he was a wiz at Pool and hustling Jesse was good
Wow. Was this SUCH a trope? I mean, I remember the one from Family Matters and there's one from Step By Step with Mark, but I didn't remember the ones otherwise mentions...making 5 rehashes, 3 of which were on TGIF?
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on May 21, 2023 17:56:41 GMT -5
Danny showing that he was a wiz at Pool and hustling Jesse was good
Wow. Was this SUCH a trope? I mean, I remember the one from Family Matters and there's one from Step By Step with Mark, but I didn't remember the ones otherwise mentions...making 5 rehashes, 3 of which were on TGIF? Remember there being an episode pretty similar to that in Married With Children too.
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Post by schma on May 22, 2023 0:00:11 GMT -5
Wow. Was this SUCH a trope? I mean, I remember the one from Family Matters and there's one from Step By Step with Mark, but I didn't remember the ones otherwise mentions...making 5 rehashes, 3 of which were on TGIF? Remember there being an episode pretty similar to that in Married With Children too. Sitcoms rehash everything.
How many sitcoms have the teenage guy is dating someone and his friends give him a hard time because he's doing nice stuff for her. He tries to assert his manliness, makes an ass of himself and then needs to apologize. It gets different trappings but I remember that in everything from the Cosby Show to Family Matters to Big Bang Theory.
Hell this hustled at pool even showed up in the one episode I ever watched of According to Jim.
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Post by schma on May 22, 2023 0:04:56 GMT -5
One of the funny things with the Holodeck is you would think there's be some kind of emergency, things are screwed up and we need to shut it down switch, especially after how many documented instances of the holodeck going haywire and endangering crews and entire vessels. The damn things have their own energy source, there must be a way to just straight up kill its power and shut it down. But then I suppose that would make for boring television.
With Roddenberry I didn't realize for years that his contributions were greatly overstated and that he was responsible for some of the worst Trek episodes either directly or through his influence. 5 of the first 6 episodes in TNG are among the ones I hate the most. The more I've learned about Star Trek behind the scenes, the more I've realized that him stepping back was the best thing that could have happened to Star Trek.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on May 22, 2023 2:29:44 GMT -5
I think this thread has gone off the rails into 'plot formulae' rather than recycled plots
Some of these are like complaining 'in that lawyer show they always either win or lose the case.'
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Post by burdette25159 on May 22, 2023 11:23:03 GMT -5
Teen Titans Go recycled a plot in which the T.T appeared on Family Feud just a season after Cartoon War with one guest starring the DC Superhero Girls
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Post by MolotovMocktail on May 22, 2023 18:29:01 GMT -5
When Elvis started making movies, he basically played himself in every role, and the plot every time could be boiled down to: Elvis wants girl, Elvis gets girl, Elvis sings as many songs as possible in between.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on May 22, 2023 19:00:52 GMT -5
The Holodeck f***ed up so much I wonder why they even had one. I think the weirdest thing about Holodeck malfunction episodes is that they also had plenty of episodes that were basically just that but using some other plot device instead. Like The Royale, there's really nothing meaningfully separating that from just being another Holodeck episode. Is that the one where fake Professor Moriarty took over the damned ship? There should have been no Holodeck after that no matter what.
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Post by James Fabiano on May 30, 2023 14:44:02 GMT -5
Here's one:
There's a Gumby short where Gumby and Pokey are on a trip, and the Blockheads basically tourist trap them several times and swindle them out of their money. Which is like a certain famous Woody Woodpecker short.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on May 30, 2023 15:00:42 GMT -5
Full House did several variations (especially in the earlier years) of: The kids have to keep Danny from discovering _______ in the living room/kitchen/backyard.
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