Rampage 6/30 Rating (Best since April 7th)

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Ratings are weird people, that's all I can say lol. Great job for a show that really seems to have possibly been given a boost from Collision. Either way, the numbers you like to see after last week's discussion too.

[Dub H]

Clearly Rampage is either stealing viewers from Dynamite or gaining viewers because Ota the only show you can feel safe Punk is ot gonna appear

["Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik]

AEW lives to fight for one more week at least.

[Doo Doo Dickhead]

Great news for us Rammers!!!

[Bang Bang Bart]

Johnny TV = Ratings

[jm]

Harley Cameron = ratings!!!!!

[Mayonnaise]

Strong Smackdown leads to strong Rampage?

[Hypnosis]

Jul 3, 2023 17:15:50 GMT -5 Bang Bang Bart said:

Johnny TV = Ratings

And Harley Cameron.

["Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik]

Jul 3, 2023 18:38:36 GMT -5 Mayonnaise said:

Strong Smackdown leads to strong Rampage?

Meltzer has said the opposite has been true - higher SmackDown ratings usually brings down Rampage ratings. It's why Dave thought they would do a really low number this week after seeing the SmackDown overnights (plus he thought Shida/Taya would do a really low quarter for whatever reason). 

[Treklubj]

Jul 3, 2023 18:47:15 GMT -5 "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik said:

Jul 3, 2023 18:38:36 GMT -5 Mayonnaise said:

Strong Smackdown leads to strong Rampage?

Meltzer has said the opposite has been true - higher SmackDown ratings usually brings down Rampage ratings. It's why Dave thought they would do a really low number this week after seeing the SmackDown overnights (plus he thought Shida/Taya would do a really low quarter for whatever reason). 

I think the idea that Smackdown lifted it makes sense. Smackdown had a lot of eyes on it Friday night, and it makes sense that a portion of them enjoyed the show and were up for more wrestling so they flipped to Rampage. Anecdotal obviously, but the same thing happened to me the next night. Money in the Bank was so good I was in the mood for wrestling so I checked out Collision.

["Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik]

Jul 3, 2023 20:04:45 GMT -5 Treklubj said:

Jul 3, 2023 18:47:15 GMT -5 "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik said:

Meltzer has said the opposite has been true - higher SmackDown ratings usually brings down Rampage ratings. It's why Dave thought they would do a really low number this week after seeing the SmackDown overnights (plus he thought Shida/Taya would do a really low quarter for whatever reason). 

I think the idea that Smackdown lifted it makes sense. Smackdown had a lot of eyes on it Friday night, and it makes sense that a portion of them enjoyed the show and were up for more wrestling so they flipped to Rampage. Anecdotal obviously, but the same thing happened to me the next night. Money in the Bank was so good I was in the mood for wrestling so I checked out Collision.

It's plausible. But Dave is right that when SmackDown sees large spikes, Rampage usually goes down. There are other factors of course and both theories make sense in some way. It's also possible less people saw Dynamite so they wanted to tune in Friday to get some AEW for the week. 

[Treklubj]

Jul 3, 2023 20:08:49 GMT -5 "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik said:

Jul 3, 2023 20:04:45 GMT -5 Treklubj said:

I think the idea that Smackdown lifted it makes sense. Smackdown had a lot of eyes on it Friday night, and it makes sense that a portion of them enjoyed the show and were up for more wrestling so they flipped to Rampage. Anecdotal obviously, but the same thing happened to me the next night. Money in the Bank was so good I was in the mood for wrestling so I checked out Collision.

It's plausible. But Dave is right that when SmackDown sees large spikes, Rampage usually goes down. There are other factors of course and both theories make sense in some way. It's also possible less people saw Dynamite so they wanted to tune in Friday to get some AEW for the week. 

With Showbuzz not working, I haven't been able to check the direct lead-in for Rampage. It seems to be a common opinion here that Dynamite can be greatly affected by it's lead-in, so I wonder if Friday's wasn't unusually strong.

[Cyno]

Rampage's lead-in was the Transformers movie. IIRC movies like that are never included with cable ratings reports.

What might've helped Rampage keep a few more people inside than normal was the shitty air quality from the Canadian Wildfire smoke in the Northeast. Not exactly fun weather to be out in.

[Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby]

Can we point to this thread the next time explanations for a bad rating are called "excuses"? I'm delighted by seeing the same kind of thought process applied to an unexpectedly good rating.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Jul 3, 2023 22:26:03 GMT -5 Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby said:

Can we point to this thread the next time explanations for a bad rating are called "excuses"? I'm delighted by seeing the same kind of thought process applied to an unexpectedly good rating.

Especially given when ratings are good, ratings threads get exceptionally quiet in comparison

Not to split hairs here but people, especially abound on socials, who keep rationalizing when a rating is down and it merits discussion don't give the same energy in discussing why a rating is up and then good... and so do the takes about the show needing to go the way of the dodo or AEW needing to change something because something's "not working"

This is why it's often been said you can't latch on to a weekly lower number when the next week or even the next show could exceed expectations and that's what happened here

[stoptheclocks]

Jul 4, 2023 2:48:59 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Jul 3, 2023 22:26:03 GMT -5 Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby said:

Can we point to this thread the next time explanations for a bad rating are called "excuses"? I'm delighted by seeing the same kind of thought process applied to an unexpectedly good rating.

Especially given when ratings are good, ratings threads get exceptionally quiet in comparison

Not to split hairs here but people, especially abound on socials, who keep rationalizing when a rating is down and it merits discussion don't give the same energy in discussing why a rating is up and then good... and so do the takes about the show needing to go the way of the dodo or AEW needing to change something because something's "not working"

This is why it's often been said you can't latch on to a weekly lower number when the next week or even the next show could exceed expectations and that's what happened here

With the best will in the world, one of the primary reasons 'good' ratings threads are quieter than the 'bad' ones, is that you don't post 40 times replying to everyone. Not trying to have a dig, but there's a bit of 'we're trying to find the guy who did this' energy to this post.

But it's true and not unsuprising that it's more noteworthy when a show does an especially bad number. Smackdown had 2.5m viewers last week and there's no thread at all about it. If it did less than 2m there would be. It's not an AEW thing.

That's a good number for Rampage, I'm sure if they can stick around that mark they'll be very happy with that for their C show.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Jul 4, 2023 3:28:08 GMT -5 stoptheclocks said:

Jul 4, 2023 2:48:59 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Especially given when ratings are good, ratings threads get exceptionally quiet in comparison

Not to split hairs here but people, especially abound on socials, who keep rationalizing when a rating is down and it merits discussion don't give the same energy in discussing why a rating is up and then good... and so do the takes about the show needing to go the way of the dodo or AEW needing to change something because something's "not working"

This is why it's often been said you can't latch on to a weekly lower number when the next week or even the next show could exceed expectations and that's what happened here

With the best will in the world, one of the primary reasons 'good' ratings threads are quieter than the 'bad' ones, is that you don't post 40 times replying to everyone. Not trying to have a dig, but there's a bit of 'we're trying to find the guy who did this' energy to this post.

But it's true and not unsuprising that it's more noteworthy when a show does an especially bad number. Smackdown had 2.5m viewers last week and there's no thread at all about it. If it did less than 2m there would be. It's not an AEW thing.

That's a good number for Rampage, I'm sure if they can stick around that mark they'll be very happy with that for their C show.

Given you're not trying to dig and not trying to turn this into an argument allow me to civilly rebut here.

I feel like I'm not "The guy who did this", given how I wasn't the multiple other people who expressed annoyance at these threads when a number dips or even requested they be banned because that happened and I outwardly disagreed with it. I get annoyed when I'm singled out when these threads have been pretty divisive as a whole lately. And I dont think that should be handwaved away because I commented in that thread a lot, it's why I think my point has some merit to it. Even if I never posted in those threads, the pages double or triple what good ratings threads get, that was my point. I'll just leave it at that and see if that trend continues.

On the point of Smackdown though, Smackdown has gotten the same number for like two years with spikes like last week, there's no commentary for those threads because the show is on FOX and outside of FS1 weeks, it never ever wavers, it does well because it's in a spot where it can't really lose on cable imo. With AEW it is a pattern that lower ratings are examined way more than the high ratings or increases, this isn't me trying to poke at anyone here specifically either, it just kinda is the vibe anymore. That's not an insult to Smackdown either, shows just in a good spot.

I really hope Rampage can sustain these numbers, it's really not bad and they've been having better cards lately. Shida and Taya main eventing was also nice.

[Mid-Carder]

Hikaru Shida = ratings, but then we knew that already

[stoptheclocks]

Jul 4, 2023 4:17:14 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Jul 4, 2023 3:28:08 GMT -5 stoptheclocks said:

With the best will in the world, one of the primary reasons 'good' ratings threads are quieter than the 'bad' ones, is that you don't post 40 times replying to everyone. Not trying to have a dig, but there's a bit of 'we're trying to find the guy who did this' energy to this post.

But it's true and not unsuprising that it's more noteworthy when a show does an especially bad number. Smackdown had 2.5m viewers last week and there's no thread at all about it. If it did less than 2m there would be. It's not an AEW thing.

That's a good number for Rampage, I'm sure if they can stick around that mark they'll be very happy with that for their C show.

Given you're not trying to dig and not trying to turn this into an argument allow me to civilly rebut here.

I feel like I'm not "The guy who did this", given how I wasn't the multiple other people who expressed annoyance at these threads when a number dips or even requested they be banned because that happened and I outwardly disagreed with it. I get annoyed when I'm singled out when these threads have been pretty divisive as a whole lately. And I dont think that should be handwaved away because I commented in that thread a lot, it's why I think my point has some merit to it. Even if I never posted in those threads, the pages double or triple what good ratings threads get, that was my point. I'll just leave it at that and see if that trend continues.

On the point of Smackdown though, Smackdown has gotten the same number for like two years with spikes like last week, there's no commentary for those threads because the show is on FOX and outside of FS1 weeks, it never ever wavers, it does well because it's in a spot where it can't really lose on cable imo. With AEW it is a pattern that lower ratings are examined way more than the high ratings or increases, this isn't me trying to poke at anyone here specifically either, it just kinda is the vibe anymore. That's not an insult to Smackdown either, shows just in a good spot.

I really hope Rampage can sustain these numbers, it's really not bad and they've been having better cards lately. Shida and Taya main eventing was also nice.

On the post frequency point, all I would say is (just as an experiment) the next time an AEW show does a below average rating, don't post in the thread. If it still does 4/5 pages, I'll happily apologise.

As for the ratings, I think you're presenting it as though the ups and downs are equal and people are getting into one side of a natural fluctuation and ignoring the other. That just isn't the case if you look at what each show is doing vs what their averages were last year. There's a pretty consistent trend there, it isn't just people fixating on individual weeks.

Thurston's YOY change chart (the bottom one if you click on the image in the OP) is pretty clear on where those trends are.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Jul 4, 2023 5:03:29 GMT -5 stoptheclocks said:

Jul 4, 2023 4:17:14 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Given you're not trying to dig and not trying to turn this into an argument allow me to civilly rebut here.

I feel like I'm not "The guy who did this", given how I wasn't the multiple other people who expressed annoyance at these threads when a number dips or even requested they be banned because that happened and I outwardly disagreed with it. I get annoyed when I'm singled out when these threads have been pretty divisive as a whole lately. And I dont think that should be handwaved away because I commented in that thread a lot, it's why I think my point has some merit to it. Even if I never posted in those threads, the pages double or triple what good ratings threads get, that was my point. I'll just leave it at that and see if that trend continues.

On the point of Smackdown though, Smackdown has gotten the same number for like two years with spikes like last week, there's no commentary for those threads because the show is on FOX and outside of FS1 weeks, it never ever wavers, it does well because it's in a spot where it can't really lose on cable imo. With AEW it is a pattern that lower ratings are examined way more than the high ratings or increases, this isn't me trying to poke at anyone here specifically either, it just kinda is the vibe anymore. That's not an insult to Smackdown either, shows just in a good spot.

I really hope Rampage can sustain these numbers, it's really not bad and they've been having better cards lately. Shida and Taya main eventing was also nice.

On the post frequency point, all I would say is (just as an experiment) the next time an AEW show does a below average rating, don't post in the thread. If it still does 4/5 pages, I'll happily apologise.

As for the ratings, I think you're presenting it as though the ups and downs are equal and people are getting into one side of a natural fluctuation and ignoring the other. That just isn't the case if you look at what each show is doing vs what their averages were last year. There's a pretty consistent trend there, it isn't just people fixating on individual weeks.

Thurston's YOY change chart (the bottom one if you click on the image in the OP) is pretty clear on where those trends are.

I'll likely post once to give my thoughts but I'm learning that it's really not worth it, as others have said before with that discourse as well

I suppose I always just figured when it came to the Smackdown example that nothing ever really changed much outside of it jumping due to the bloodline story, I think outside of Smackown ratings are simply more unpredictable for most of the other programs, but fall into more of a bar to hit