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Post by Peeetah on Aug 5, 2023 21:49:35 GMT -5
The commentators were announcing it as the legit title, that's how I've seen it, that's not a "bad faith take," on my part that's just how I've seen it. It's a real belt to Punk, it's his prize he's deemed a prize, it's not an actual world title, it's like the FTW Belt basically, it's rogue. Sure but you've got the main commentators screaming that it's the real world title, maybe their intention is that it comes off as a rogue title, but they're not doing that successfully for me, that doesn't make me a contrarian or somebody acting in bad faith it just means the way they're presenting the title isn't working for me, the way you responded to my initial post is like I'm wilfully misunderstanding what they're going for when I'm not, I just think they're doing a bad job on this one particular storyline.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 5, 2023 21:51:30 GMT -5
It's a real belt to Punk, it's his prize he's deemed a prize, it's not an actual world title, it's like the FTW Belt basically, it's rogue. Sure but you've got the main commentators screaming that it's the real world title, maybe their intention is that it comes off as a rogue title, but they're not doing that successfully for me, that doesn't make me a contrarian or somebody acting in bad faith it just means the way they're presenting the title isn't working for me, the way you responded to my initial post is like I'm wilfully misunderstanding what they're going for when I'm not, I just think they're doing a bad job on this one particular storyline. What else should they be doing to get the point across?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 5, 2023 21:54:12 GMT -5
It's a real belt to Punk, it's his prize he's deemed a prize, it's not an actual world title, it's like the FTW Belt basically, it's rogue. Sure but you've got the main commentators screaming that it's the real world title, maybe their intention is that it comes off as a rogue title, but they're not doing that successfully for me, that doesn't make me a contrarian or somebody acting in bad faith it just means the way they're presenting the title isn't working for me, the way you responded to my initial post is like I'm wilfully misunderstanding what they're going for when I'm not, I just think they're doing a bad job on this one particular storyline. I don't know what more they could do, they've said over and over on commentary it's what Punk claims he is and the title's in quotations, it's been as spelled out as I feel like they could make it unless you want like a sidescroll disclaimer that says "NOT ACTUAL WORLD TITLE" or something? Also Nigel's a heel commentator, so him drumming it up for potential heat and the potential MJF clash makes sense to me too
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Post by Peeetah on Aug 5, 2023 22:08:05 GMT -5
Sure but you've got the main commentators screaming that it's the real world title, maybe their intention is that it comes off as a rogue title, but they're not doing that successfully for me, that doesn't make me a contrarian or somebody acting in bad faith it just means the way they're presenting the title isn't working for me, the way you responded to my initial post is like I'm wilfully misunderstanding what they're going for when I'm not, I just think they're doing a bad job on this one particular storyline. I don't know what more they could do, they've said over and over on commentary it's what Punk claims he is and the title's in quotations, it's been as spelled out as I feel like they could make it unless you want like a sidescroll disclaimer that says "NOT ACTUAL WORLD TITLE" or something? Also Nigel's a heel commentator, so him drumming it up for potential heat and the potential MJF clash makes sense to me too The way it came across at the end of the show for me was that the commentators where claiming the title was real, my issue is that yourself and "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay are acting like I'm trolling or acting in bad faith by thinking this, I'm just calling the show as I saw it in real time, I could totally be wrong I'll have to watch the thing back. Sometimes people just see a thing different to how you do, that doesn't make them a a contrarian they just saw it different to how you did.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 5, 2023 22:14:24 GMT -5
I don't know what more they could do, they've said over and over on commentary it's what Punk claims he is and the title's in quotations, it's been as spelled out as I feel like they could make it unless you want like a sidescroll disclaimer that says "NOT ACTUAL WORLD TITLE" or something? Also Nigel's a heel commentator, so him drumming it up for potential heat and the potential MJF clash makes sense to me too The way it came across at the end of the show for me was that the commentators where claiming the title was real, my issue is that yourself and "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay are acting like I'm trolling or acting in bad faith by thinking this, I'm just calling the show as I saw it in real time, I could totally be wrong I'll have to watch the thing back. Sometimes people just see a thing different to how you do, that doesn't make them a a contrarian they just saw it different to how you did. I apologize if I jumped the gun there, but we have gone out of our way to explain that they've highlighted that the belt isn't recognized by AEW as their world title, it's what Punk claims. It's a BELT but it's only a prize to him and his measuring stick.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 5, 2023 22:15:17 GMT -5
I don't know what more they could do, they've said over and over on commentary it's what Punk claims he is and the title's in quotations, it's been as spelled out as I feel like they could make it unless you want like a sidescroll disclaimer that says "NOT ACTUAL WORLD TITLE" or something? Also Nigel's a heel commentator, so him drumming it up for potential heat and the potential MJF clash makes sense to me too The way it came across at the end of the show for me was that the commentators where claiming the title was real, my issue is that yourself and "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay are acting like I'm trolling or acting in bad faith by thinking this, I'm just calling the show as I saw it in real time, I could totally be wrong I'll have to watch the thing back. Sometimes people just see a thing different to how you do, that doesn't make them a a contrarian they just saw it different to how you did. I've no desire to make you feel piled on, and obviously everyone is going to have different interpretations of the show - don't bother rewatching a show you don't wanna rewatch just to argue with two dickheads on an internet forum (no offense to cjb)
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Post by Peeetah on Aug 5, 2023 22:21:32 GMT -5
The way it came across at the end of the show for me was that the commentators where claiming the title was real, my issue is that yourself and "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay are acting like I'm trolling or acting in bad faith by thinking this, I'm just calling the show as I saw it in real time, I could totally be wrong I'll have to watch the thing back. Sometimes people just see a thing different to how you do, that doesn't make them a a contrarian they just saw it different to how you did. I've no desire to make you feel piled on, and obviously everyone is going to have different interpretations of the show - don't bother rewatching a show you don't wanna rewatch just to argue with two dickheads on an internet forum (no offense to cjb) The way it came across at the end of the show for me was that the commentators where claiming the title was real, my issue is that yourself and "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay are acting like I'm trolling or acting in bad faith by thinking this, I'm just calling the show as I saw it in real time, I could totally be wrong I'll have to watch the thing back. Sometimes people just see a thing different to how you do, that doesn't make them a a contrarian they just saw it different to how you did. I apologize if I jumped the gun there, but we have gone out of our way to explain that they've highlighted that the belt isn't recognized by AEW as their world title, it's what Punk claims. It's a BELT but it's only a prize to him and his measuring stick. Yeah this got weird haha, we just disagree about a f***ing wrestling storyline FFS it's cool.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Aug 5, 2023 22:30:21 GMT -5
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Post by Doo Doo Dickhead on Aug 6, 2023 0:06:45 GMT -5
Watching now. Cage looks so goofy, but I also kinda dig the look.
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Post by Doo Doo Dickhead on Aug 6, 2023 0:10:43 GMT -5
Big Bill is like a completely different performer from Big Cass. Been great to see.
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Aug 6, 2023 0:38:22 GMT -5
I'm just now getting caught up on Collision, besides the Statlander/Mercedes match being great and the aftermath being good to setup up the involvement of Diamante and Willow, wherever this Toni thing is going, I'm down for it.
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Aug 6, 2023 1:47:37 GMT -5
How nice of her to confirm a Rajah.com article. I was wondering if Shotty may or may not have been banished to the couch of reflection.
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Post by Doo Doo Dickhead on Aug 6, 2023 1:48:30 GMT -5
I'm just now getting caught up on Collision, besides the Statlander/Mercedes match being great and the aftermath being good to setup up the involvement of Diamante and Willow, wherever this Toni thing is going, I'm down for it. Give her her Oscar.
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Post by Dub H on Aug 6, 2023 1:50:47 GMT -5
Punk is here to put over three young people by beating then cleanly and taking up the singles matches on ppvs.
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Post by deezy on Aug 6, 2023 2:18:59 GMT -5
Idk how it came off on TV but in the arena, To me it was 60/40 cheers for Punk. Until the end when its was damn near all pro Punk crowd.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 6, 2023 2:32:41 GMT -5
Idk how it came off on TV but in the arena, To me it was 60/40 cheers for Punk. Until the end when its was damn near all pro Punk crowd. They sounded rabid for Starks when he whipped Steamboat, it actually was a great move to cement the narrative they want to tell imo, made Ricky look like a piece of shit and the crowd wanted Punk to rip him apart. Idk if it'll carry over to other crowds but it was well executed to get what they wanted here.
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Post by CeilingFan on Aug 6, 2023 4:21:46 GMT -5
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Post by Mid-Carder on Aug 6, 2023 4:54:33 GMT -5
Toni Storm is just the best and I'm happy it seems like they aren't just pushing her down the card.
Hell, let's just do Shida/Storm at All In
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Post by ianriccaboni on Aug 6, 2023 6:49:56 GMT -5
I've no desire to make you feel piled on, and obviously everyone is going to have different interpretations of the show - don't bother rewatching a show you don't wanna rewatch just to argue with two dickheads on an internet forum (no offense to cjb) I apologize if I jumped the gun there, but we have gone out of our way to explain that they've highlighted that the belt isn't recognized by AEW as their world title, it's what Punk claims. It's a BELT but it's only a prize to him and his measuring stick. Yeah this got weird haha, we just disagree about a f***ing wrestling storyline FFS it's cool. For what it is worth, I said "quote unquote 'real world's champion's'" as a phrase *so much* that it was kindly suggested that I had made the point 😂
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Post by jm on Aug 6, 2023 7:08:48 GMT -5
Yeah this got weird haha, we just disagree about a f***ing wrestling storyline FFS it's cool. For what it is worth, I said "quote unquote 'real world's champion's'" as a phrase *so much* that it was kindly suggested that I had made the point 😂 Keep up the great work Ian!!! You are doing an amazing job with Collision and ROH!!
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