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Post by Ryushinku on Aug 8, 2023 2:16:21 GMT -5
Billy Jack Haynes laughs at your "brutal" shoot interview. Laughs from his mountain!
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Post by Doo Doo Dickhead on Aug 8, 2023 2:33:54 GMT -5
Billy Jack Haynes laughs at your "brutal" shoot interview. Laughs from his mountain! You mean Billy JERK Haynes?
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Post by lavelleuk22 on Aug 8, 2023 4:33:31 GMT -5
I haven't watched wwe in a few years so can't comment fully
But when I was watching years ago Romans matches would make me laugh. Someone like Ambrose would fight big show (for example) and it would be a slow, 15 minute big show dominated plod. Reigns would fight big show and there woukd be table spots, spears through barricades, run-in drama etc in a crazy sprint
All his matches got these massive overbooked sprints and spot fests, then everyone would be like "ok we don't like him but he's having great matches"
Reminds me of attitude era where someone was interviewed and the interviewer said Shane mcmahon may be bosses son but he was over, and the guy replied he too would have been over if he were allowed to just jump off everything and do crazy stuff
They always went well out there way to make Reigns stuff the most important and exciting thing on the show, and I bet if you're wanting to put on a great match and get over but you're told you're not allowed to do the same it's very frustrating. Sometimes it felt like they were purposely booking the other wrestlers matches to be as boring as possible just so Reigns could shine
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Post by stoptheclocks on Aug 10, 2023 10:02:53 GMT -5
I'm glad to hear this. All too often you see someone get handed the keys to the kingdom, the brass ring, and everyone has to act happy about it. It's like how Edge mentioned his live sex celebration getting mad ratings but they still went back to Super Cena weeks later, and he was like "the audience is telling you they want something different..."I don't think this is BURIAL! but it's just an honest take from Sheamus while still showing respect to Roman. And quite frankly, he's not wrong. Roman's character work/storyline is good (great when it's focused) but they don't need 45 minute segments on Smackdown or 40 minute matches of the same Roman formula of "do a move then shit talk for 5 minutes, do another move talk to the crowd for 5 minutes, do another move and make faces for 5 minutes until interference helps him win". And as annoyed as Sheamus has to be, I imagine people like Bayley are even more annoyed with it. Following this logic, surely the audience have made it pretty clear what they want? And what they want is... Roman Reigns and The Bloodline. No issue with Sheamus having his opinion though. I don't believe any version of Sheamus in any known universe could get to the level Roman is at, but he's obviously not going to feel that way and nor should he.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Aug 10, 2023 11:45:15 GMT -5
Not to sound like an old person, but I remember when the WWE Champion had to defend his title at every PPV. During the dawn of the PPV era, the title was actually sporadically defended on PPV. The WWF Title was not defended at any of the inaugural “Big 4” PPVS. In 1989 and 1990 (the first 2 years all 4 events aired on PPV), the title was only defended at Wrestlemania. The title was not defended at all 4 events in the same year until 1994. Roman’s just kicking it old school.
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Post by ThatDudeThatExsists on Aug 10, 2023 13:10:31 GMT -5
Think also the fact he gets a lot of time off compared to everyone else. Like, from what’s being rumored, Roman might not be on TV again until closer to Survivor Series which I can imagine burns into a lot of people working every week who then have to worry about their TV time being cut when the Bloodline Variety Hour returns. I can only think it's because Roman is apparently a nice guy in real life that there hasn't been more resentment. I don't think anyone has ever been pushed as hard and given as many chances as Roman was before finally getting over. I mean the guy had about 3 or 4 Wrestlemania main events in a row that were all absolutely terrible in front of crowds that didn't give a shit and at the time there were definitely babyfaces on the roster much more popular and over than he was. The heel Tribal Chief run has been a total success, no arguments there. But again it has taken the company giving him a stronger push than anyone since maybe 80s Hogan to get there. I'm sure everyone personally likes Roman but I'd be surprised if there's not a lot of resentment and frustration at his booking over the last 10 plus years. Did you watch HBK's push in 95-96? NOONE has ever been pushed harder than that. And good God it sucked.
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Post by KingPooper on Aug 10, 2023 14:06:18 GMT -5
Sheamus was over like crazy last year, had there been two world titles he would have probably gotten a run, but then again I thought it was leading to him being the IC but Gunther has to beat Honky Tonks record or some shit, but I guess killing hot baby faces for an boringly long heel run is what triple h knows best, at least Vince was smart at least making triple h lose someone’s.
Sheamus Sami Cody Jey
Guess with the actors strike it’s The Rock right?
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Post by Mid-Carder on Aug 10, 2023 15:21:12 GMT -5
I can only think it's because Roman is apparently a nice guy in real life that there hasn't been more resentment. I don't think anyone has ever been pushed as hard and given as many chances as Roman was before finally getting over. I mean the guy had about 3 or 4 Wrestlemania main events in a row that were all absolutely terrible in front of crowds that didn't give a shit and at the time there were definitely babyfaces on the roster much more popular and over than he was. The heel Tribal Chief run has been a total success, no arguments there. But again it has taken the company giving him a stronger push than anyone since maybe 80s Hogan to get there. I'm sure everyone personally likes Roman but I'd be surprised if there's not a lot of resentment and frustration at his booking over the last 10 plus years. Did you watch HBK's push in 95-96? NOONE has ever been pushed harder than that. And good God it sucked. It seems that way in hindsight but other than Bret, who was coming and going by then, there was virtually nobody of any value as a top star. Shawn delivered in all facets of pro wrestling when they really needed it. It just wasn't the case when Sheamus and Roman were pushed.
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Post by Texas Tornado on Aug 10, 2023 15:59:24 GMT -5
So much of what he says could also apply to himself (shoved down throats, nobody gave a shit etc) except Sheamus was a flop and Roman is a success. It's almost like he agrees with you "I think in the same way it benefited me to come back and wrestle in that empty arena at Thunderdome where people got to see how physical I really can be and allowed me to have that more freedom and settle into my own skin and just say: ‘screw it, I’m going to go out there and have fun, do what i’m gonna do.’" Sheamus isn't unaware of where he's benefitted in this run. He's just saying that now Roman's success is drawing away from the rest of the roster. Which it is. As someone that literally only watches WWE again because of the Bloodline story, I'm disappointed that it's becoming a snake eating its own tail until we get to WM 40.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Aug 10, 2023 16:01:36 GMT -5
So much of what he says could also apply to himself (shoved down throats, nobody gave a shit etc) except Sheamus was a flop and Roman is a success. It's almost like he agrees with you "I think in the same way it benefited me to come back and wrestle in that empty arena at Thunderdome where people got to see how physical I really can be and allowed me to have that more freedom and settle into my own skin and just say: ‘screw it, I’m going to go out there and have fun, do what i’m gonna do.’" Sheamus isn't unaware of where he's benefitted in this run. He's just saying that now Roman's success is drawing away from the rest of the roster. Which it is. As someone that literally only watches WWE again because of the Bloodline story, I'm disappointed that it's becoming a snake eating its own tail until we get to WM 40. My point is he's the wrong guy to be making this point. Sheamus got every bit of the push that Roman did against the fans' will except this run has paid off and Sheamus' time as a main eventer was a flop when he got opportunities that should have gone to guys that were over.
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Post by ThatDudeThatExsists on Aug 10, 2023 16:48:22 GMT -5
Did you watch HBK's push in 95-96? NOONE has ever been pushed harder than that. And good God it sucked. It seems that way in hindsight but other than Bret, who was coming and going by then, there was virtually nobody of any value as a top star. Shawn delivered in all facets of pro wrestling when they really needed it. It just wasn't the case when Sheamus and Roman were pushed. Fans rejected it too. They had other stars. One of the big misconceptions of that era is that WWE had a terrible roster. Not true.
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Post by spagett on Aug 10, 2023 18:09:27 GMT -5
I can only think it's because Roman is apparently a nice guy in real life that there hasn't been more resentment. I don't think anyone has ever been pushed as hard and given as many chances as Roman was before finally getting over. I mean the guy had about 3 or 4 Wrestlemania main events in a row that were all absolutely terrible in front of crowds that didn't give a shit and at the time there were definitely babyfaces on the roster much more popular and over than he was. The heel Tribal Chief run has been a total success, no arguments there. But again it has taken the company giving him a stronger push than anyone since maybe 80s Hogan to get there. I'm sure everyone personally likes Roman but I'd be surprised if there's not a lot of resentment and frustration at his booking over the last 10 plus years. Did you watch HBK's push in 95-96? NOONE has ever been pushed harder than that. And good God it sucked. That's still only two years though. Michaels is babyface the day after Mania 11 in 1995 and he's back heel again by the end of 1997 after the crowd have got sick of him. Reigns was pushed as the number one babyface despite crowds at best not caring and at worst hating him for about 7 years!
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Post by ThatDudeThatExsists on Aug 10, 2023 19:05:34 GMT -5
Did you watch HBK's push in 95-96? NOONE has ever been pushed harder than that. And good God it sucked. That's still only two years though. Michaels is babyface the day after Mania 11 in 1995 and he's back heel again by the end of 1997 after the crowd have got sick of him. Reigns was pushed as the number one babyface despite crowds at best not caring and at worst hating him for about 7 years! I mean... I was watching then. Nothing was worse then that.
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Post by spagett on Aug 10, 2023 19:19:07 GMT -5
That's still only two years though. Michaels is babyface the day after Mania 11 in 1995 and he's back heel again by the end of 1997 after the crowd have got sick of him. Reigns was pushed as the number one babyface despite crowds at best not caring and at worst hating him for about 7 years! I mean... I was watching then. Nothing was worse then that. I was watching too and yes Vince screaming in ecstasy every week as Michaels made his entrance was nauseating. Still wasn't as bad or anywhere near as long as the Reigns babyface push.
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Post by ThatDudeThatExsists on Aug 10, 2023 20:04:44 GMT -5
I mean... I was watching then. Nothing was worse then that. I was watching too and yes Vince screaming in ecstasy every week as Michaels made his entrance was nauseating. Still wasn't as bad or anywhere near as long as the Reigns babyface push. As long, no. But as nauseating? No. WORSE. And unlike Cena & Reigns he wasn't as draw on top of it. Goodness gracious that HBK run was terrible.
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