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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Sept 6, 2023 4:12:39 GMT -5
Honestly, I find the whole concept of teenage drama romance kind of weird. I get it, teens are interested in romance and want shows relevant to their interests (although frankly, even as a teen, I don't remember particularly caring about teen-centric shows), and in some ways it can even be a good tool to warn teens about older people trying to exploit them but at the same time, it can get dubious real quick when your characters are underage. A lot of it is outrage culture, yes. Which you can see anytime someone dates a younger woman, Leo DiCaprio gets a lot of screaming at for DATING A LITERAL CHILD!!!! So you think Leo is dating a 6 year old, but turns out she’s 23. Yeah, I feel like if all people involved were of age when they first met, age gaps kind of stop mattering. It's so weird too because people (rightfully) complain about grown women being infantilized and treated like they're immature, but then they'll claim that adults fully capable of giving consent are "literal children". And then the same people will also happily glorify cougars. You know, older women who define themselves by sleeping with men young enough to be their sons. In the late 70's they did a series called Mrs. Columbo, who was previously an unseen character on Columbo. Since they hired the youngest actress they could find and statements made on Columbo about her, people did the math and figured Mrs. Columbo would have been like 12 when they got married and had a child off screen. So it was hastily re-written and eventually Columbo came back on TV and claimed there was a woman running around pretending to be his wife, but she wasn't. I don't know the details but IIRC, wasn't that show made pretty much without the Columbo showrunners and writers' knowledge or approval? I imagine stuff like this didn't help their feelings on it. It's also just silly to cast a young, pretty lady for a Columbo spin-off considering Columbo's entire schtick is that he's schlubby-looking and unintimidating, luring criminals into a false sense of security. I see most of this stuff on Reddit, not in the actual world, where they keep moving the age of women no longer being children up to around 26 or so now. This is a function of outrage culture, subs that bind liked minded people together, and mid 30's people who look back on themselves 10 years previous and think, "I was so immature", which I think is natural of everyone. Eventually, everyone gets old and miserable enough that no one cares when a 50 year old dates a 40 year old, but you can't do it when you're 30 and 20, that makes you a sick bastard, because at 50 and 40 you're so much older and wiser and experience, forgetting the fact you have to be 20 and 30 first to gain that knowledge in the first place.
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Sept 6, 2023 4:46:36 GMT -5
A lot of it is outrage culture, yes. Which you can see anytime someone dates a younger woman, Leo DiCaprio gets a lot of screaming at for DATING A LITERAL CHILD!!!! So you think Leo is dating a 6 year old, but turns out she’s 23. Huge age gaps have really only been a problem recently and the idea of marrying someone you consider a soul mate is super recent too, which is why the last Civil War widow died like 5 years ago. I’m not saying it’s right, but the screaming around this has certainly amped up, especially since #metoo. I was having a think about this, and it's been bubbling under since the late nineties I think, basically because of discourse created by the complete obsession the media developed around then with paedophiles and paedophilia, and the press pretty much delighted in reporting on child abuse because it made for outrageous stories that would sell newspapers to people who wanted to know what to be scared and outraged about, and I think to feel superiority over paedophiles; YouTube is full of videos of online sleuths and vigilantes dressing up as policemen to go and perform "citizen's arrests" on people they've decided are paedophiles, mostly lording it over their targets. It goes without saying that it's important that people are no longer so passive towards cases of sexual abuse and exploitation, your Weinsteins and Saviles and so on, but there's also this kind of moral absolutism that exists now where some people are keen to criticise any age gap relationship as exploitative off-hand that I think has been compounded by the paedophilia obsession.
And ironically, the channels who now lead the charge against outrage culture and "cancel culture" and "snowflakes" and whatever else - reactionary tabloid media outlets - are the ones who created it in the first place. People accuse millennials of being priggish, and I think we are, but it's because we're children of the the tabloid moral outrage culture of the eighties and nineties, "Ban this sick filth" etc. We've spent a lot of our lives being conditioned to be offended and angry because we've been told we should be, then criticised for it by the people who made us this way. So as a generation we're a useful target for their derision now, but also we're morally outraged rather than being outraged over other stuff.
That's probably a bit muddled and hopefully everyone understands what I'm getting at, it's a very hard thing to articulate briefly.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Sept 6, 2023 6:26:22 GMT -5
I don't know the details but IIRC, wasn't that show made pretty much without the Columbo showrunners and writers' knowledge or approval? I imagine stuff like this didn't help their feelings on it. It's also just silly to cast a young, pretty lady for a Columbo spin-off considering Columbo's entire schtick is that he's schlubby-looking and unintimidating, luring criminals into a false sense of security. Columbo had recently finished its initial run but had been popular enough for NBC to want to try to capitalise on the brand. Columbo's creators halfheartedly gave their blessing but disowned it when they found out the lead was going to be mid-20s (with an eight year-old kid to boot). Peter Falk straight up refused to acknowledge its existence. In the end the show was retooled and retitled midway through the first season due to poor ratings and negative feedback from critics and Columbo fans, effectively retconning Kate to being married to a detective who just happened to share the same surname as Columbo but was not him, before retitling the show again in the second season and having her divorce between seasons so her name wasn't even Columbo any more. And then it was cancelled midway through yhe second season.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Sept 7, 2023 0:14:04 GMT -5
A lot of it is outrage culture, yes. Which you can see anytime someone dates a younger woman, Leo DiCaprio gets a lot of screaming at for DATING A LITERAL CHILD!!!! So you think Leo is dating a 6 year old, but turns out she’s 23. Huge age gaps have really only been a problem recently and the idea of marrying someone you consider a soul mate is super recent too, which is why the last Civil War widow died like 5 years ago. I’m not saying it’s right, but the screaming around this has certainly amped up, especially since #metoo. I was having a think about this, and it's been bubbling under since the late nineties I think, basically because of discourse created by the complete obsession the media developed around then with paedophiles and paedophilia, and the press pretty much delighted in reporting on child abuse because it made for outrageous stories that would sell newspapers to people who wanted to know what to be scared and outraged about, and I think to feel superiority over paedophiles; YouTube is full of videos of online sleuths and vigilantes dressing up as policemen to go and perform "citizen's arrests" on people they've decided are paedophiles, mostly lording it over their targets. It goes without saying that it's important that people are no longer so passive towards cases of sexual abuse and exploitation, your Weinsteins and Saviles and so on, but there's also this kind of moral absolutism that exists now where some people are keen to criticise any age gap relationship as exploitative off-hand that I think has been compounded by the paedophilia obsession.
And ironically, the channels who now lead the charge against outrage culture and "cancel culture" and "snowflakes" and whatever else - reactionary tabloid media outlets - are the ones who created it in the first place. People accuse millennials of being priggish, and I think we are, but it's because we're children of the the tabloid moral outrage culture of the eighties and nineties, "Ban this sick filth" etc. We've spent a lot of our lives being conditioned to be offended and angry because we've been told we should be, then criticised for it by the people who made us this way. So as a generation we're a useful target for their derision now, but also we're morally outraged rather than being outraged over other stuff.
That's probably a bit muddled and hopefully everyone understands what I'm getting at, it's a very hard thing to articulate briefly.
Doug Stanhope has a bit you can find on YouTube called MySpace Pedophiles. I won't link it, but it's easy enough to find. The thesis of it is, is basically, parents got it in their heads pedos were jockeying for position to get ahold of THEIR kids, but no one really was and you couldn't make it happen even if you wanted to. At this point, the bit is like 20 years old, but it still applies.
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