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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 6, 2023 22:40:09 GMT -5
Funny thing is, they could’ve done this at ANY time in 2019 if they wanted to. Night one, could’ve stacked the show like mad and took out Dynamite in the cradle. Somewhat uncharacteristically nobly (?), they backed their NXT roster at that time, and it didn’t beat them out, leading to all the reboots ever since. They didn't because Vince and HHH were never on the same page and as much as people want to act like it would been fine, look at how they reacting now The rhetoric would been at an all time high of WWE trying to bury AEW At the same time, loading up the show this blatantly because AEW had to move nights this week is really, really funny. They're about 10 minutes from announcing Stone Cold will also be there lol
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Post by yokohamacpfc on Oct 6, 2023 23:08:40 GMT -5
I think they've overdone it. Becky alone was getting them close to Dynamite so you only really had to add one of Cody or Cena and developmental beating the opposition's main show would have been genuinely impressive.
Now when they win the general reaction will be "Well durr" because how could you fail with the show that stacked and on the rare chance that they fail they will look foolish.
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Post by Fade on Oct 7, 2023 0:34:42 GMT -5
WWE doing all of this so NXT can beat AEW one week, when AEW won't even be on their regular night. Desperation: thy name is WWE. Funny thing is, they could’ve done this at ANY time in 2019 if they wanted to. Night one, could’ve stacked the show like mad and took out Dynamite in the cradle. Somewhat uncharacteristically nobly (?), they backed their NXT roster at that time, and it didn’t beat them out, leading to all the reboots ever since. Back then it was basically just an Indy fed (nxt) and ironically a lot of the dudes are now in aew. Now, it’s an actual more of a “developmental” than when hunter scoffed at aew for beating them. shawn really is better than hunter at everything.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Oct 7, 2023 1:33:37 GMT -5
Funny thing is, they could’ve done this at ANY time in 2019 if they wanted to. Night one, could’ve stacked the show like mad and took out Dynamite in the cradle. Somewhat uncharacteristically nobly (?), they backed their NXT roster at that time, and it didn’t beat them out, leading to all the reboots ever since. Back then it was basically just an Indy fed (nxt) and ironically a lot of the dudes are now in aew. Now, it’s an actual more of a “developmental” than when hunter scoffed at aew for beating them. shawn really is better than hunter at everything. It's a thing where the initial changeover was rough as hell and 2.0 was indeed garbage when it started but ultimately the company's producing way more promising prospects now than it was before.
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Post by johncasey on Oct 7, 2023 5:41:28 GMT -5
Still time for reunions of DX, Nation, NWO...etc
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Post by johncasey on Oct 7, 2023 5:48:30 GMT -5
I fully expect NXT (Or whatever this incarnation this is) to win but what about the aftermath.
Will they be ridiculed, we are doing it on the thread.
If it's a big number, will the U.S.A Network want more of the same on a weekly basis.
Any new viewers will be wondering where the likes of Cena, Cody are.
As I'm in the UK, I won't be getting the head to head however I would watch AEW because it looks like they are continuing storylines or this that will carry on going forward whereas NXT looks like they will have non canon segments that won't feature the stars in the weeks to come
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Post by clifford on Oct 7, 2023 7:45:48 GMT -5
Yeah this is getting dumb lol. They'd probably have beaten AEW with their usual roster. Now it's just WWE beating AEW, not NXT beating AEW. Not great if you're the NXT guys really and not a great show of faith in what HBK's being (correctly) getting all this praise for.
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Post by Legion on Oct 7, 2023 9:46:57 GMT -5
Beating AEW wouldn't be a big deal, or at least this big a deal, if the rights weren't up.
They just want to show WWE is the main draw and worth the big bucks. It'll setlle down once they have the rights deal done.
Yes, beating AEW is a consideration, but it isn't the main one imo
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Oct 7, 2023 10:01:02 GMT -5
Beating AEW wouldn't be a big deal, or at least this big a deal, if the rights weren't up. They just want to show WWE is the main draw and worth the big bucks. It'll setlle down once they have the rights deal done. Yes, beating AEW is a consideration, but it isn't the main one imo But who in their right mind thinks they'll get the likes of Cena, Taker, and Asuka when they pay for NXT? Everyone can see what WWE did with the show when it wasn't a contract year.
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Post by eJm on Oct 7, 2023 10:29:53 GMT -5
But who in their right mind thinks they'll get the likes of Cena, Taker, and Asuka when they pay for NXT? Everyone can see what WWE did with the show when it wasn't a contract year. Exactly. Like, the networks aren’t dumb and I don’t think WWE is going to try and tell them that they’re going to get an all star cast every week when that’s impossible for a variety of reasons when they’ve been promoting the show as a place for the next generation of talent to come from. It’s absolutely weird this line of discussion is going on, especially since one of the reasons Smackdown won’t be on FOX next year is because WWE over promised something they couldn’t deliver. Like, if you want to say “during whatever sweeps week is now for networks, we can give a big show” sure, that I can get because WWE has the power to do that but saying that’s going to be the show consistently is the same as when the XWF was trying to market their show and had to tell them Hulk Hogan, Roddy Piper, Sable and, like, half the roster were signed by Vince and weren’t going to appear. EDIT: It’s more weird to me that one of the reasons the numbers have been good on the show recently, Becky Lynch, isn’t even booked for this show and instead they’re airdropping people who either have nothing to do with NXT or haven’t for years.
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Post by Legion on Oct 7, 2023 10:49:37 GMT -5
But who in their right mind thinks they'll get the likes of Cena, Taker, and Asuka when they pay for NXT? Everyone can see what WWE did with the show when it wasn't a contract year. Exactly. Like, the networks aren’t dumb and I don’t think WWE is going to try and tell them that they’re going to get an all star cast every week when that’s impossible for a variety of reasons when they’ve been promoting the show as a place for the next generation of talent to come from. It’s absolutely weird this line of discussion is going on, especially since one of the reasons Smackdown won’t be on FOX next year is because WWE over promised something they couldn’t deliver. Like, if you want to say “during whatever sweeps week is now for networks, we can give a big show” sure, that I can get because WWE has the power to do that but saying that’s going to be the show consistently is the same as when the XWF was trying to market their show and had to tell them Hulk Hogan, Roddy Piper, Sable and, like, half the roster were signed by Vince and weren’t going to appear. EDIT: It’s more weird to me that one of the reasons the numbers have been good on the show recently, Becky Lynch, isn’t even booked for this show and instead they’re airdropping people who either have nothing to do with NXT or haven’t for years. This. This is exactly what they are selling. Not 'you'll get this every week' but 'look what we can get you if you need it'
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Oct 7, 2023 12:30:11 GMT -5
Back then it was basically just an Indy fed (nxt) and ironically a lot of the dudes are now in aew. Now, it’s an actual more of a “developmental” than when hunter scoffed at aew for beating them. shawn really is better than hunter at everything. It's a thing where the initial changeover was rough as hell and 2.0 was indeed garbage when it started but ultimately the company's producing way more promising prospects now than it was before. Crazy how instead of NXT being where Triple H can book 2010s ROH with literally the same guys but with the intention of only 12 of those people having a job on a Vince McMahon written and booked show, NXT is where HBK can book people you’ve never heard of convincingly and being maybe *33 percent less horny than 2.0. *25 percent less horny if Gigi Dolan is on
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Post by eJm on Oct 7, 2023 13:08:15 GMT -5
It's a thing where the initial changeover was rough as hell and 2.0 was indeed garbage when it started but ultimately the company's producing way more promising prospects now than it was before. Crazy how instead of NXT being where Triple H can book 2010s ROH with literally the same guys but with the intention of only 12 of those people having a job on a Vince McMahon written and booked show, NXT is where HBK can book people you’ve never heard of convincingly and being maybe *33 percent less horny than 2.0. *25 percent less horny if Gigi Dolan is on I feel what needs to be said is that one of the things I personally think was a hinderance to NXT’s move to USA on Wednesdays is that nobody involved in that show was used to doing weekly shows. NXT was taped with very rarely a big match to speak of, mostly squashes of stuff that’ll lead to the Takeovers with maybe a set up match here and there. They only had, what, one last taping to hype up the move and then they were basically stuck stacking the cards up with no real substance because nobody was allowed to promote NXT or they weren’t making big deals about talent coming over maybe because of mandate or ego or somewhere in between, who knows? But even if the matches were good, that was just the thing they had and hoping that would be enough for the most part whilst Dynamite was starting up and having both things because they were new and had a newer cast. Like, if they moved to FS1 instead and were allowed to find some kind of footing instead of panic booking, I’m arguing that you’d have a very different WWE and AEW right now.
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Post by Cyno on Oct 7, 2023 13:43:17 GMT -5
It feels like ever since NXT settled into this current paradigm, that there's a much clearer NXT > Raw/Smackdown pipeline for prospects. As good as a standalone product as Triple H's black and gold NXT was, it was also failing miserably as a developmental brand because of the disconnect it had with main roster WWE. Some of that was on Triple H himself booking the brand like it was his personal super-indy promotion, though a lot more of it was on Vince McMahon and his whims and valuing completely different things than Triple H did.
Now with HBK and Triple H likely acting more as collaborative partners than whatever was going on between Triple H and Vince doing the last few years, it allows for more consistency between the brands. That's only a good thing especially for the true developmental prospects.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 7, 2023 13:54:15 GMT -5
It feels like ever since NXT settled into this current paradigm, that there's a much clearer NXT > Raw/Smackdown pipeline for prospects. As good as a standalone product as Triple H's black and gold NXT was, it was also failing miserably as a developmental brand because of the disconnect it had with main roster WWE. Some of that was on Triple H himself booking the brand like it was his personal super-indy promotion, though a lot more of it was on Vince McMahon and his whims and valuing completely different things than Triple H did. Now with HBK and Triple H likely acting more as collaborative partners than whatever was going on between Triple H and Vince doing the last few years, it allows for more consistency between the brands. That's only a good thing especially for the true developmental prospects. Look at how mny young women they got coming up the system. Stratton, Thea, and Roxxanne I think all are 22 or younger.
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Oct 7, 2023 20:43:28 GMT -5
Just throwing it out there, Cody's announcement is he is headed to SD in the Jey Uso trade and now the tag titles are split again.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Oct 8, 2023 1:46:15 GMT -5
Just throwing it out there, Cody's announcement is he is headed to SD in the Jey Uso trade and now the tag titles are split again. My guess is it's the Dusty Classic.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 8, 2023 1:47:53 GMT -5
Just throwing it out there, Cody's announcement is he is headed to SD in the Jey Uso trade and now the tag titles are split again. My guess is it's the Dusty Classic. Especially with Cody being tag champ now They might add a new stip to go after the main roster tag titles now but even before then the Dusty Classic made sense especially with Womens Breakout tournament happening
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Post by brettappedout (BLM) on Oct 8, 2023 21:00:33 GMT -5
My guess is it's the Dusty Classic. Especially with Cody being tag champ now They might add a new stip to go after the main roster tag titles now but even before then the Dusty Classic made sense especially with Womens Breakout tournament happening that'd be cool as hell. good idea.
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Post by eJm on Oct 9, 2023 12:03:24 GMT -5
Yeah, if you are going with this idea of building up NXT for a new deal (something that still feels weird to try and do now when that won’t be your regular programming but whatever), a Dusty Classic where the winners take on the tag champs either at a Raw or a PLE (and not an NXT one, put it on a main roster one boost synergy) just feels like the logical move. You expose your viewers to new talent and give potential bidders a taste of the weekly NXT shows and the talent being produced.
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