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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2024 12:33:43 GMT -5
I REALLY dislike that mindset of they cannot afford to lose....yes they can and them not losing is in large part what really hurts the division overall.
This need for world beaters really needs to stop because all it does it kill momentum and make the audience give no f***s about the vast majority of women....like most of Raw's women.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Mar 10, 2024 12:39:17 GMT -5
I'd be totally down for Tiffy getting a match against Bianca even if the build is short. Hell I'd be fine with her getting squashed, it is Mania. Bianca is going to need something but I doubt it'll be Tiffy, probably something with Naomi.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Mar 10, 2024 13:21:07 GMT -5
I'd be totally down for Tiffy getting a match against Bianca even if the build is short. Hell I'd be fine with her getting squashed, it is Mania. Bianca is going to need something but I doubt it'll be Tiffy, probably something with Naomi. Bianca so badly needs to go heel to freshen her character. Being a playa hater with Bayley is a good start.
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Post by callmekc on Mar 10, 2024 13:25:05 GMT -5
That match is not happening. It will rule when it happens, but it's not happening at Mania. Neither can afford a major loss right now, therefore you do not book the match. I get not wanting the match right now, but both of them can afford the loss.
Bianca is so protected. Only Rhea Ripley is more protected. A loss would not hurt Bianca at all.
Tiffy does not need to be booked as another Bianca/Rhea. Her character does not need to be an unstoppable monster. She can take a loss too.
You aren't wrong that Bianca is sufficiently protected to take a loss from an upstart Tiffany Stratton, and that in a match where a young foll of themselves up and comer takes on a main eventer the loss is not devastating. In that sense both Tiffy and Bianca can lose the match and be just fine. However, Bianca needs to be even more protected for her eventual match against Jade Cargill, which based off the reaction and feeling I got from their moment at the Rumble is a big time money match. Tiffany is on a hot streak where she's getting established and over, it is a bad idea to derail her momentum this early into her run (especially given she's getting baby face reactions that they're seemingly willing to go with despite her changing nothing about the character).
In general I agree with you about both women being fine taking a loss, but it's not the right time to do the match.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Mar 10, 2024 18:40:37 GMT -5
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Post by Totorob101 on Mar 10, 2024 20:01:25 GMT -5
I love the dont hold this against me message which kind of insinuates people might actually dislike her for this which honestly wouldnt surprise me as being "good" isnt cool and being a bad person is.
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Post by clc on Mar 10, 2024 22:02:17 GMT -5
I feel like it's perfectly in character for Tiffy to like people that like Tiffy.
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Post by 4real on Mar 11, 2024 3:40:12 GMT -5
I love the dont hold this against me message which kind of insinuates people might actually dislike her for this which honestly wouldnt surprise me as being "good" isnt cool and being a bad person is. Think it’s more because WWE are desperate to keep her heel even though fans love her. I’m interested to see what a face Tiffany looks like but I’m not sure I’d turn her yet either.
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Post by centeroftheuniverse on Mar 16, 2024 6:14:01 GMT -5
Hey. New member, took about 10 days to be approved, but I'm here, ha.
Big fan of Tiffany, mainly since her push at the start of 2023, but certainly from that summer and her title reign (even if a bit underwhelming).
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Post by centeroftheuniverse on Mar 16, 2024 6:27:18 GMT -5
It is a bit of a shame that it looks like her expected marquee Mania match with Bianca has been scrapped. It's very hard to see her on the Mania card now, and it kind of feels like she's ironically being punished for getting good reactions. There were only 18 people on the Elimination Chamber main card, and it looks like Tiffany, along with Raquel who obviously has her condition, will be the only ones from that card not to make a near 50 person card over two nights, which is crazy, especially when she was arguably the star of the whole show 3 weeks ago.
I can kind of see why they might have changed plans - no longer wanting Tiffany to lose now, especially at Mania, concerned over Bianca potentially getting booed when there will be a large contingent of international fans, plus possibly the main one, they probably originally intended this to be Tiffany's coming out party where even in defeat she would get her name out there, and have people talk about her, and 'this girl is good' etc. but from WWEs perspective, that's probably already happened in Australia, so less need to make this match, but it's obviously not a random Saudi show, or a Fastlane/Payback etc. that she's almost certainly missing, it's the literal show of shows.
I know time is limited on Smackdown these days with The Bloodline stuff, but I was hoping for better follow up from Perth. A (now apparent) directionless 2 min rematch last week, and not on at all this week, which basically killed off her chances of making the Mania card. She'll have had less than 10 mins TV time since the Chamber, but I guess if there's no Mania match, then there's less need to showcase her. Hopefully she will get another match before Mania, even if it is another 2 min effective squash because otherwise 5 weeks doing nothing from March 8th to April 12th is a long time and won't help with momentum.
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Post by centeroftheuniverse on Mar 16, 2024 15:12:08 GMT -5
If it is all but confirmed that she's not at Mania, do you even think we will see her at all for the next 3 weeks on Smackdown? I can't really think of any matches she could have - she won't be facing any of D Control, Naomi, or Bianca, she's gone through Michin twice - I guess they could give her a 2 min rematch win over Zelina, or possibly roll out one of the witches, but if there's nothing at all for her, then that will be 5 weeks off TV. Still find it baffling - she's the hottest she's ever been, created big buzz, yet in the last 2 Smackdown's she's barely had 4 mins TV time, seemingly lost her spot at Mania, and in limbo for the coming weeks. You'd think they'd want to capitalise, but they've done the complete opposite. "That's what you get for getting over unexpectedly, brother"
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Post by gl83 on Mar 16, 2024 15:19:21 GMT -5
If it is all but confirmed that she's not at Mania, do you even think we will see her at all for the next 3 weeks on Smackdown? I can't really think of any matches she could have - she won't be facing any of D Control, Naomi, or Bianca, she's gone through Michin twice - I guess they could give her a 2 min rematch win over Zelina, or possibly roll out one of the witches, but if there's nothing at all for her, then that will be 5 weeks off TV. Still find it baffling - she's the hottest she's ever been, created big buzz, yet in the last 2 Smackdown's she's barely had 4 mins TV time, seemingly lost her spot at Mania, and in limbo for the coming weeks. You'd think they'd want to capitalise, but they've done the complete opposite. "That's what you get for getting over unexpectedly, brother" Zelina's part of the LWO/Legado feud so she won't even be able to get a match against her either. And there's no guarantee she'll even get a PPV match post-WM since Triple H goes for quality over quantity when it comes to PLE cards. And with luck, both World titles and perhaps both Tag titles will be back in play meaning there will be fewer spots for non-title Women's feuds.
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Post by Display Name on Mar 16, 2024 15:31:17 GMT -5
Maybe they bring the Mae Young Battle Royal back and she wins it?
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Post by centeroftheuniverse on Mar 16, 2024 15:37:01 GMT -5
If it is all but confirmed that she's not at Mania, do you even think we will see her at all for the next 3 weeks on Smackdown? I can't really think of any matches she could have - she won't be facing any of D Control, Naomi, or Bianca, she's gone through Michin twice - I guess they could give her a 2 min rematch win over Zelina, or possibly roll out one of the witches, but if there's nothing at all for her, then that will be 5 weeks off TV. Still find it baffling - she's the hottest she's ever been, created big buzz, yet in the last 2 Smackdown's she's barely had 4 mins TV time, seemingly lost her spot at Mania, and in limbo for the coming weeks. You'd think they'd want to capitalise, but they've done the complete opposite. "That's what you get for getting over unexpectedly, brother" Zelina's part of the LWO/Legado feud so she won't even be able to get a match against her either. And there's no guarantee she'll even get a PPV match post-WM since Triple H goes for quality over quantity when it comes to PLE cards. And with luck, both World titles and perhaps both Tag titles will be back in play meaning there will be fewer spots for non-title Women's feuds. Yeah, that's a good point. I think RR and EC were unusually small, but 6 matches seem to be the average and you'd think at least 4 of those, possibly 5 would be title matches and then the other would likely be a men's feud. She did sound upbeat on her TikTok video yesterday (when getting ready to not show up on Smackdown) and said that the chamber was 'life changing' for her career and that it 'sped everything up' and that's she's really excited about this year, so perhaps she'd had reassurances that big things could come sooner than expected, and perhaps inserted into the title picture sooner than we think, or that she will win MITB (she is the current betting favourite, and has been for a while), but I guess as long as she gets some sort of feud post Mania then it will be a start. Maybe go back to Naomi (although that will kind of feel a bit underwhelming), or perhaps if IYO does retain (I think she loses) then she could maybe have a mini feud with Bayley, but I can't help but feel RAW would be better suited for her, and if she isn't getting the plumb Bianca match, she should have really been on there from the start.
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Post by centeroftheuniverse on Mar 16, 2024 15:40:45 GMT -5
That's twice she's done one of these now and not been on the show at all, the other was Feb 9th and a week after her debut. I guess it's just part of the job, and you be there if and when required, and to possibly step in if there's an injury/illness at late notice, but it does seem pointless getting ready, getting to the venue if you're almost certainly not going to have a segment. The shows aren't exactly on their doorsteps. Here's the video. The first 80 seconds are about breaking a nail, haha, but from there she talks about the chamber and future plans. www.tiktok.com/@tiffanystrattonwwe/video/7346635244604362014
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Post by Perd on Mar 16, 2024 16:14:35 GMT -5
I don’t know why she wasn’t there, last night. There’s no way my seat would’ve ever been within 500 feet of her.
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Post by Doo Doo Dickhead on Mar 16, 2024 16:15:14 GMT -5
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Post by centeroftheuniverse on Mar 20, 2024 13:28:35 GMT -5
Reports of up to 4 more Mania matches added, so 7 matches a night, and the general consensus seems to think:
Liv vs Nia Naomi/Bianca (possibly Jade) vs some form of Damage Control Some form of LWO vs LDF Some form of Lashley vs Kross
If this was the case, then I personally think Tiffany will be the most shafted out of anyone. Some will say she's young, she's new, or the classic, 'she'll be fine', all of which may be true, but if the Road to WrestleMania starts at the Royal Rumble, then she will have been as prominent as most - 4th at the Rumble, MVP at Elimination Chamber, 5-0 on Smackdown, backstage segments with top stars, press events at the PLE, yet seemingly no Mania payoff.
I'd love to know if the plans definitely were Bianca, and they pivoted due to the crowd reactions, or if she was just brought up to establish herself before getting direction and a feud once Mania was finished, but while the likes of Gable, Nakamura etc. have been there far longer, obviously a bit of bias, but I feel Tiffany will be the most hard done by - Gable wasn't even in the Rumble, whereas Kaiser (also in a tag team) was, and he wasn't at Elimination Chamber either, whereas Tiffany has been booked and positioned like a significant player, yet there's seemingly no creative plans for her.
She may as well have been on RAW with Kaiser if there's no payoff. The mens Chamber had a 5:1 Smackdown ratio, so a 4:2 RAW ratio would have been no problem, she could have faced Liv on RAW, as well as a whole host of caterers, rather than having to face Michin twice, and she could have had longer matches as well, and not skip entrances, or be restricted to 2 mins due to the Blookdline.
It's pretty annoying and will definitely spoil my viewing if she's not on.
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Post by salz4life on Mar 20, 2024 13:53:38 GMT -5
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Mar 22, 2024 20:08:28 GMT -5
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