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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 24, 2024 0:14:11 GMT -5
It's really not our job to "forgive" him, it's the people he hurt, whose reputations he has tainted forever due to his diehard fanbase now attacking them and another company relentlessly for "Dropping the ball" on a guy they handed the world title to twice and tried every conceivable way to make work, those are the people who would probably have the merit to forgive CM Punk for all the bullshit he pulled.
In the end he didn't screw us or do anything to us personally, but he sure did so to them, and if forgiveness is owed in this situation, it would be from those parties, and I'll be honest, if Punk did all that shit to me? They'd be bigger men then me lol
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Feb 24, 2024 2:02:01 GMT -5
I have nothing to forgive as he did nothing to me.
At one point he was my second favorite wrestler all-time behind Raven. Have multiple dvd’s of his. However after everything I have zero desire to ever watch him or those dvd’s again.
I sincerely hope he has a proper finish to his career.
But any fandom I had of him is dead. Honestly wish he never went to AEW. Did major damage to a company and wrestlers I like that has taken a while to recover from.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Feb 24, 2024 3:17:45 GMT -5
Oh, CM Punk. Its alright, you are forgiven.
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Post by LiamMcDuggle on Feb 24, 2024 3:23:11 GMT -5
I personally have nothing to "forgive" him for. Now, has Punk really changed? Jury is still out. But so far, so good Well I forgive YOU
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Post by Cvslfc123 on Feb 24, 2024 5:57:46 GMT -5
2012 was a rough year for me personally and WWE was an escape. CM Punk was a huge part of that so I never had anything against him and I'm happy he's back.
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Post by Bo Rida on Feb 24, 2024 6:39:42 GMT -5
But I think he's revealed himself as one of the biggest hypocrites in the history of wrestling and a petulant toxic bully too. Yeah, this. A lot of people have accused WWE of shit and then come back later, but that 'blood money covered dick' line sure has me waiting to see where Punk's going to a Saudi show or not. That's what I want, finish the story of Phil becoming the least Punk person possible. It's all about the money with him, with the backing of huge corporations and CEOs that he name drops in promos. Sports washing would be the perfect finale of that arc. 95% of "you sold out' chants are stupid but he's a rare case where they should follow him everywhere.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Feb 24, 2024 8:08:10 GMT -5
Yeah, this. A lot of people have accused WWE of shit and then come back later, but that 'blood money covered dick' line sure has me waiting to see where Punk's going to a Saudi show or not. That's what I want, finish the story of Phil becoming the least Punk person possible. It's all about the money with him, with the backing of huge corporations and CEOs that he name drops in promos. Sports washing would be the perfect finale of that arc. 95% of "you sold out' chants are stupid but he's a rare case where they should follow him everywhere. If you build your gimmick on being authentic in a world of fakes, you are setting yourself up for this
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Post by xCompackx on Feb 24, 2024 8:50:35 GMT -5
I don't know about forgiveness; Punk doesn't owe me anything. But as a fan, I stopped caring about anything Punk did after Brawl Out. Why should I invest any of my time in someone who will happily burn bridges because someone said something he didn't like?
I mean, it doesn't help that his current WWE run has been worse version of his theme, rehashing AEW stuff and apologizing for leaving, but y'know.
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Post by lucas_lee on Feb 24, 2024 9:38:05 GMT -5
Punk acted like a dick in AEW but its not on the level of Vince where he needs forgiveness from us. The only people he needs forgiveness from is the boys and girls in the AEW locker room.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Feb 25, 2024 8:22:59 GMT -5
I’ve got nothing to forgive him for. He’s just a grumpy wrestler who didn’t do anything to me.
But I will say, it’s hard to get to excited or invested in his return when lately he gets seriously injured nearly every time he works.
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Post by THE FVNKER on Feb 25, 2024 9:11:10 GMT -5
I was never a fan but I’m glad AEW gets to lay claim to his return. As a stand-alone moment, it was one of the greatest moments in wrestling when you look at the context of it.
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Post by lemonyellowson on Feb 26, 2024 17:49:11 GMT -5
Did nothing wrong so no forgiveness necessary
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Post by Instant Classic on Feb 26, 2024 18:12:02 GMT -5
I like that he’s not always bashing WWE anymore. I like the wrestler CM Punk, but I don’t care for the guy behind the wrestler. Kind of a yes and no situation.
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Post by Abdullah on Feb 27, 2024 4:56:46 GMT -5
The framing of this is kind of irksome, actually.
Like, I get it if you’re disappointed by his behavior because it ended a great run and took a toll on AEW but… that’s about as far as it goes for me.
We all acknowledged at the time that mouthing off at a press conference and getting into fights backstage is bad, actually. But a grown man getting into fights with other grown men backstage is really low on the list of shitty things a celebrity can do. If he was telling a true story while he was laughing it up with Cabana about intentionally injuring a female trainee, it’s low on the list of shitty things Punk is known to have done.
He hasn’t been bigoted. He’s not texting women for fetish videos and calling them bitches. He’s not running to social media to defend a war that has killed tens of thousands. He flamed out spectacularly in AEW, like some suspected he would, and he’s presumably sent gossip through proxies. It’s dumb and petty, but there was a thread asking whether he was a bigger villain than McMahon or something to that effect.
There’s no way the comparison needs to be made, even if you’ve invested in this parasocial idea of who Punk should be as a person.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 27, 2024 7:06:17 GMT -5
Did nothing wrong so no forgiveness necessary Ok no matter how you actually feel about this situation and about CM Punk as a whole, fighting your co-workers multiple times and mouthing off about them at a live-presser is doing something wrong, like just bluntly, is frowned upon by regular society, and seen as bad. This is the bare minimum of acknowledgement, whether you believe he deserves forgiveness or not is whatever, he very clearly did something wrong that should not have been done.
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 27, 2024 7:27:27 GMT -5
I'm just disappointed in him. I was a fan of the guy going back to his run in ROH: Joe vs. Punk II was the match that really brought me into the world of indie wrestling, which eventually brought me to puro, which basically gave me a whole world of wrestling to get into after I realized WWE really wasn't for me and that TNA was rarely going to be of reliable quality in those days. I'd actually check in on WWE once Punk won the big one to see where they went with him, and him returning on AEW and having such strong programs against guys like Darby Allin and especially MJF made me think we were really getting something special, sort of an "Old Man Punk" bringing a refined version of his old ROH game to the modern scene.
And then, well, everything happened. His falling out with Colt was already weird to me, but I chalked a lot of that up to an issue between two former friends, and thus not really my business, but once Muffin-gate went down, it basically told me that a lot of the stories of how Punk could be backstage were true. Again, while a lot of that is personal business between wrestlers or between talent and the office, which I'd normally not want to get wrapped up in, the guy was having an actively negative impact on the product of the show I was watching, and it was getting harder and harder to ignore all his nonsense. The fact he got into a fight with Perry just before he was about to go out and wrestle Samoa Joe, which I repeat is the matchup that probably kept me from walking away from watching modern wrestling altogether nearly twenty years ago, in front of +70,000 people (over 70x the crowd that had been at the Chicago Fieldhouse in 2004!), was the cherry on top that said it's not worth being invested in the guy anymore.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Feb 27, 2024 7:28:36 GMT -5
I'm not one that he wronged, so I have nothing to forgive him for. The Elite and Jack Perry are the big ones he wronged, and he's gotta earn that forgiveness.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Feb 27, 2024 11:59:22 GMT -5
The framing of this is kind of irksome, actually. Like, I get it if you’re disappointed by his behavior because it ended a great run and took a toll on AEW but… that’s about as far as it goes for me. We all acknowledged at the time that mouthing off at a press conference and getting into fights backstage is bad, actually. But a grown man getting into fights with other grown men backstage is really low on the list of shitty things a celebrity can do. If he was telling a true story while he was laughing it up with Cabana about intentionally injuring a female trainee, it’s low on the list of shitty things Punk is known to have done. He hasn’t been bigoted. He’s not texting women for fetish videos and calling them bitches. He’s not running to social media to defend a war that has killed tens of thousands. He flamed out spectacularly in AEW, like some suspected he would, and he’s presumably sent gossip through proxies. It’s dumb and petty, but there was a thread asking whether he was a bigger villain than McMahon or something to that effect. There’s no way the comparison needs to be made, even if you’ve invested in this parasocial idea of who Punk should be as a person. That's kind of a shitty take though. "Oh he did this terrible thing but this other guy did something worse" as if you can't be mad at both of them.
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Post by jm on Feb 27, 2024 13:20:16 GMT -5
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Post by Abdullah on Feb 27, 2024 13:44:05 GMT -5
The framing of this is kind of irksome, actually. Like, I get it if you’re disappointed by his behavior because it ended a great run and took a toll on AEW but… that’s about as far as it goes for me. We all acknowledged at the time that mouthing off at a press conference and getting into fights backstage is bad, actually. But a grown man getting into fights with other grown men backstage is really low on the list of shitty things a celebrity can do. If he was telling a true story while he was laughing it up with Cabana about intentionally injuring a female trainee, it’s low on the list of shitty things Punk is known to have done. He hasn’t been bigoted. He’s not texting women for fetish videos and calling them bitches. He’s not running to social media to defend a war that has killed tens of thousands. He flamed out spectacularly in AEW, like some suspected he would, and he’s presumably sent gossip through proxies. It’s dumb and petty, but there was a thread asking whether he was a bigger villain than McMahon or something to that effect. There’s no way the comparison needs to be made, even if you’ve invested in this parasocial idea of who Punk should be as a person. That’s kind of a shitty take though. “Oh he did this terrible thing but this other guy did something worse” as if you can’t be mad at both of them. I do think there is a tendency to flatten things where anything bad becomes the worst thing ever. In my post, I mentioned something that Punk and Cabana apparently laughed about doing – injuring a female trainee. I did not listen to the shoot interview myself, but it came up in recent weeks as part of discussions about the treatment of women in wrestling and I feel like that is the sort of thing that Punk should absolutely publicly apologize for if it resurfaced. With Brawl Out and the Jack Perry thing? I don’t know. I participated in the discussion about the former when it happened: it’s bad and it sucks that it went down how it did but it seems like everyone involved has done their best to move past it and focus on their work. I’m not sure what there is to forgive or what else there is to say about it. While, again, I both sympathize and empathize with those who’ve had their view of Punk tainted, because it’s not fun to find that your favorite is flawed in some pretty ugly ways, the question is sort of like – ‘do I forgive Alyssa Milano for getting Shannen Doherty fired from Charmed, making Doherty’s life more difficult, according to Doherty, and carrying it on for decades?’ That’s not my fight. It’s not my life. I wasn’t in there with them day in and day out. I’m not in a position to forgive something that is a personal disagreement spilled out for the public to watch. My place is just to watch Punk and hope he has a good comeback because it’d be good TV and it’d be good for everyone involved. If he flames out again, like everyone keeps half-joking about, sucks. But not really a cardinal sin, just a sad end to a once great legacy.
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