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Post by Moppy on Feb 27, 2024 12:47:56 GMT -5
Wrestlemania 2000 had its rightful main event pushed back a month so they could double-dip PPV buys, and they couldn't even manage to book one solitary 1-v-1 match other than Terri vs The Kat.
Almost the definition of afterthought.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Feb 27, 2024 12:52:33 GMT -5
27. Has to be 27.
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Post by Stu on Feb 27, 2024 13:22:34 GMT -5
I'm just gonna preemptively rule out Wrestlemanias 1-25 from this discussion. If we move this thread to wrest can we discuss 1-25 as well? I wanna include all manias I’m not saying you can’t discuss them. I’m saying those 25 are actually easy to remember and aren’t afterthoughts
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Post by Stu on Feb 27, 2024 13:24:00 GMT -5
VIII was a good one, but stands out primarily for what happened in pro wrestling as a whole that year. Edit: I realize that this reply broke the "Prior to 26" rule. I'm struggling to see a Wrestlemania like that, that truly marked a transition or drew a line under an era. It’s not a rule. See above
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Post by ChitownKnight on Feb 27, 2024 13:33:03 GMT -5
If we move this thread to wrest can we discuss 1-25 as well? I wanna include all manias I’m not saying you can’t discuss them. I’m saying those 25 are actually easy to remember and aren’t afterthoughts 23 sort of feels like one. Good show but nothing really stands out that much, and it’s not really discussed
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Feb 27, 2024 13:33:16 GMT -5
The worst Manias usually at least have a great match (Austin/Bret at 13, Taker/HHH at 27, Charlotte/Becky/Sasha at 32) or something to set them apart (the separate cities gimmick for 2, the tournament for 4, the look/venue for 9).
11 though is to me the only Mania that has absolutely nothing I want to go back and rewatch. No great matches, no great moments, no unique setting etc. Hartford is probably the worst/strangest choice to host a Mania. It didn't have a good atmosphere. It has to be one of it not the smallest crowd for a Mania. I don't care about Lawrence Taylor. And the whole show just has a drab, gray feel to it, likely due to the fact the the company/business was in the shitter at the time (in North America anyway).
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Post by Renslayer on Feb 27, 2024 18:20:58 GMT -5
I’m not saying you can’t discuss them. I’m saying those 25 are actually easy to remember and aren’t afterthoughts 23 sort of feels like one. Good show but nothing really stands out that much, and it’s not really discussed I remember LOVING hbk vs cena. I know everyone prefers the London match, but the mania one was 🔥🔥
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Post by schizo on Feb 27, 2024 18:35:35 GMT -5
I’m not saying you can’t discuss them. I’m saying those 25 are actually easy to remember and aren’t afterthoughts 23 sort of feels like one. Good show but nothing really stands out that much, and it’s not really discussed Batista Vs Taker was banger! Plus, It was Taker’s first major title win at a wrestlermania in 10 years at the time
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Post by tirtefaa on Feb 27, 2024 18:44:27 GMT -5
2 11 2000 27
Those are the ones I think of when I think of WrestleManias that are instantly outclassed by whatever came before them and what came immediately after them.
I actually like 9. The Steiners vs. the Headshrinkers is one of my all-time favorite Mania matches, and I enjoyed the main event, sans Hogan.
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Post by fw91 on Feb 27, 2024 18:49:37 GMT -5
Bad doesn’t necessiarily mean afterthought. Like Manias 2 and 9 stunk but WWE put effort in building them imo. For me 27, and 32-34 do with mid to poor card choices. Even a not so bad one like 37 fits the bill
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Post by Soultastic on Feb 27, 2024 18:51:36 GMT -5
27 was literally filler.
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Feb 27, 2024 18:54:51 GMT -5
I’m not saying you can’t discuss them. I’m saying those 25 are actually easy to remember and aren’t afterthoughts 23 sort of feels like one. Good show but nothing really stands out that much, and it’s not really discussed Nah, I think Batista/Taker, HBK/Cena and especially Trump/McMahon are talked about a lot. Plus had the ECW brand not failed and Lashley not left, it McMahon's head shaving and feud with Lashley would be a massive thing.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 27, 2024 18:56:07 GMT -5
I feel like the more Mania's that go on, the more inconsequential they've felt
They feel more like a giant commercial plugging WWE than actually being a place where shit ends and we get a clean reset of the shows and stories.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Feb 27, 2024 19:00:11 GMT -5
WrestleMania 2000 has some cool moments but I feel like everything around it that year is a lot more memorable which is sort of the opposite of what you expect from a Mania show. There was the Foley/Triple H stuff beforehand. Rock's big win came at Backlash. Even the Ladder match had more well known sequels in the next year.
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Post by BorneAgain on Feb 27, 2024 19:01:02 GMT -5
The funny thing about WM32 is that other than feeling long and filled with heel victories... none of it mattered:
-AJ lost his big Wrestlemania debut and became No. 1 contender the next night. -Ryder had this great moment in the sun and lost the belt to Miz in 24 hours. -Shane was defeated in his quest to get control of part of WWE and not only ran Raw several times, but then later gained control of his own show with Vince’s permission. -Ambrose was ground into dust and became WWE champ months later. –League of Nations beat the Tag Champs, only to soon kick out Barrett and disband entirely shortly after that. -Corbin achieved this huge victory and then did nothing for 6 months. -Roman had his big coming out party via defeating the Authority and becoming WWE champion, and by Summerslam had lost the belt, and became even less popular to fans. Oh and HHH then come back and screwed over a babyface later to do what’s best for business.
It's a show with virtually no real consequences other than the pain it brings to the audience watching it.
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Post by krozor on Feb 27, 2024 19:18:48 GMT -5
27 for sure. Miz/Cena is just an extended set-up for Rock/Cena. Undertaker/HHH is an attempt to get some shine from the HBK/Taker matches and they run it back anyway. Orton vs. Nexus Punk feels like a weird, forgotten footnote. Lawler doesn't even technically get the win over Cole. If it had ended up as Edge's actual last match, that would stand out, but he's (thankfully, not complaining!) had a second act.
34 has the Angle/Rousey vs. HHH/Steph match, but Rousey's come and gone since then so the fact that it's arguably HHH's second best Mania match (I really hate the 27/28 Undertaker matches) may be more notable than Rousey's legacy now. I don't remember that IC match or its build at all. We get the least appealing, least interesting version of a potential Undertaker/Cena Wrestlemania dream match. Styles/Nakamura doesn't get the room to be the classic they just assumed it would be, and Nakamura losing ruins it. And Lesnar/Reigns at 34 honestly feels like it has a case for being the least essential Wrestlemania main event match of them all (maybe Sid/Hogan?) given how many Brock/Reigns matches we got and how little this match means among any of them. One of the biggest mega-dud endings to any Wrestlemania with Roman just sadly shuffling up the aisle to mostly silence after losing.
Wrestlemania I is, course, hugely important and influential, but there's maaaaaybe a case to be made that in its own weird way it's slightly an afterthought to The Brawl To End It All and The War To Settle The Score that built to and promoted it, since you could argue the big singles matches that you'd retroactively expect to have main evented Wrestlemania happen on TV at each of these specials. Wendi Richter beating Moolah to win the belt on MTV happens on Brawl To End It All and really launches the rock 'n wrestling era, and War To Settle The Score is where the actual Hogan/Piper singles match happens - no real finish and it's there to set up the tag match at Wrestlemania, but it is the singles match and airs on MTV.
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Post by theironyuppie on Feb 27, 2024 22:21:28 GMT -5
34 gets off to a really good start (the best three matches are in the opening four: Charlotte/Asuka, the Ronda mixed tag, and the IC triple threat), but crashes pretty hard and has an awful main event. I know the pandemic necessitated a two-night WrestleMania in 2020, but without WrestleManias 34 and 35, I don't know if it would have become a permanent fixture. Those shows were just brutally long, and both events had crowds that were absolutely dead by the time the main event rolled around. WrestleMania 34 had a 14-match card and I don't think the crowd made a single noise after the Daniel Bryan return match. As for WrestleMania 35, it was 16 matches and the audience ran out of steam after the Kofi Kingston-Daniel Bryan match (which was 10th on the card!) Plus on top of being brutally long, each of those Manias had a two-hour preshow!
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Post by fw91 on Feb 27, 2024 23:48:26 GMT -5
I feel like the more Mania's that go on, the more inconsequential they've felt They feel more like a giant commercial plugging WWE than actually being a place where shit ends and we get a clean reset of the shows and stories. I feel like this sentiment just grows in the age of 2 night manias. I'm thankful for no more long nights, but I also feel like we are getting two shows instead of one so the memories kind of get cheapened.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Feb 27, 2024 23:58:23 GMT -5
I feel like the more Mania's that go on, the more inconsequential they've felt They feel more like a giant commercial plugging WWE than actually being a place where shit ends and we get a clean reset of the shows and stories. I feel like this sentiment just grows in the age of 2 night manias. I'm thankful for no more long nights, but I also feel like we are getting two shows instead of one so the memories kind of get cheapened. Since 2 night manias began, we haven’t had an epic close for night 2. The endings of night 1 were always great, but Drew’s title win was ruined by no crowd, and the rest of the night 2s were Roman retaining the title
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Post by sarkerpolseng on Feb 28, 2024 0:55:27 GMT -5
Other than it being the first time WWE performed in front of a live crowd in over a year, I cannot recall anything of substance from WrestleMania 37. Bianca vs Sasha is fantastic. And Bianca tearing up at the start is so emotional.
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