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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Mar 7, 2024 13:46:17 GMT -5
I do like that they have had Swerve admit he's done some horrible things. He does need to get away from Nana to totally complete the turn. I think Nana as Swerve's face manager could work, esp. if you want a heel to get heat by beating down Nana while he's doing the dance.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Mar 7, 2024 13:56:46 GMT -5
I do like that they have had Swerve admit he's done some horrible things. He does need to get away from Nana to totally complete the turn. I think Nana as Swerve's face manager could work, esp. if you want a heel to get heat by beating down Nana while he's doing the dance. In general, Nana is serving an important purpose by giving Swerve a very memetic way to show support and hype for him, while he himself gets to look cool as ice. I think that dynamic will work fine for a face.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 7, 2024 14:54:54 GMT -5
I think Nana as Swerve's face manager could work, esp. if you want a heel to get heat by beating down Nana while he's doing the dance. In general, Nana is serving an important purpose by giving Swerve a very memetic way to show support and hype for him, while he himself gets to look cool as ice. I think that dynamic will work fine for a face. That said, I don't think Gates of Agony really work as faces. At least, they don't seem remotely ready for a face turn.
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Post by The anti-ratings Luddite on Mar 7, 2024 15:14:43 GMT -5
A whole lot of things came together organically to make him work as a mega-face. The in-ring style, the presentation, the match quality, the manager, and above all: the goal that people can root for. "First black AEW champion" is something people can get behind in a way that makes it easy to ignore the storylines, because there's a shoot element to it that's worth rooting for. It probably speaks to how stuff like the home invasion is a dicey proposition in wrestling even if it's supposed to be a heel action. Wrestlers turn based on audience reaction, and the reaction is based on so many factors that aren't strict adherence to what the characters have done in the story. Even as much as AEW crowds have mostly played along as long as the story is good, there's just too much about Swerve to buy into that I think audiences reached a limit on humoring his role. I never want to see another home invasion angle for the rest of my days. They always come off stupid in the long term.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 7, 2024 15:57:58 GMT -5
Can someone tell me why WWE released this guy? I feel like he just got lumped in with a pool of people who were really green and no one bothered to look at Serve's individual work. This guy is just dripping in talent and charisma. That was pretty of Trips biggest fumbles. HBK was the only one who saw star power in him and tried to use his effectively but Trips didn't Swerve told a story about him sitting down with Michaels to watch tape of Swerve's indie stuff, and it taking Michaels realizing "Oh shit wow holy f*** okay hold on" and going to Hunter for Swerve to finally start getting a push to begin with. He's made it pretty clear that WWE's creative style and the box it puts you in isn't for him though, seems like he had his taste and realized it wasn't what he wanted a piece of, but in a place like AEW where being assertive with strong ideas about what you want to do seems to reward guys, he's thriving.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Mar 7, 2024 15:59:47 GMT -5
He USED to be a piece of shit, he's not anymore I'm worried that Hangman Adam Page thinks Swerve Strickland can't change
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Post by 06vwgti on Mar 7, 2024 16:17:01 GMT -5
He USED to be a piece of shit, he's not anymore I'm worried that Hangman Adam Page thinks Swerve Strickland can't change We're going to get the drew Mac version of hangman aren't we? Lol
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Mar 7, 2024 16:22:29 GMT -5
That was pretty of Trips biggest fumbles. HBK was the only one who saw star power in him and tried to use his effectively but Trips didn't Swerve told a story about him sitting down with Michaels to watch tape of Swerve's indie stuff, and it taking Michaels realizing "Oh shit wow holy f*** okay hold on" and going to Hunter for Swerve to finally start getting a push to begin with. He's made it pretty clear that WWE's creative style and the box it puts you in isn't for him though, seems like he had his taste and realized it wasn't what he wanted a piece of, but in a place like AEW where being assertive with strong ideas about what you want to do seems to reward guys, he's thriving. Yeah, Hunter saw him and was like “eh, he’s okay” but did not realize his high ceiling.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Mar 7, 2024 16:30:45 GMT -5
I'm a fan of Swerve and am always happy to dunk on HHH but I don't see it as a big "they held me down" deal that he didn't see anything in Swerve. His job is to decide who are the guys who he wants to carry the company. He's not going to see everyone as a main eventer, some guys will work and some won't. Ultimately it worked out better for Swerve and for AEW anyway.
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Post by The Ichi on Mar 7, 2024 16:37:26 GMT -5
I'm a fan of Swerve and am always happy to dunk on HHH but I don't see it as a big "they held me down" deal that he didn't see anything in Swerve. His job is to decide who are the guys who he wants to carry the company. He's not going to see everyone as a main eventer, some guys will work and some won't. Ultimately it worked out better for Swerve and for AEW anyway. Insert "it is always morally correct to dunk on HHH" image here.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Mar 7, 2024 17:07:43 GMT -5
I'm a fan of Swerve and am always happy to dunk on HHH but I don't see it as a big "they held me down" deal that he didn't see anything in Swerve. His job is to decide who are the guys who he wants to carry the company. He's not going to see everyone as a main eventer, some guys will work and some won't. Ultimately it worked out better for Swerve and for AEW anyway. It's less that he didn't see him as the instant main eventer, an more that he didn't really see anything in him. It took a lot of Swerve prodding and Michaels's endorsement for him to even start getting a meaningful push, which gives off the air that he was brought in specifically to keep him away from a nascent AEW with no meaningful plan for what they'd do with him, and it took them actually shaking him a bunch and going "Hunter wake up this dude is real" for him to start taking him even kind of seriously.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Mar 7, 2024 17:11:07 GMT -5
I'm a fan of Swerve and am always happy to dunk on HHH but I don't see it as a big "they held me down" deal that he didn't see anything in Swerve. His job is to decide who are the guys who he wants to carry the company. He's not going to see everyone as a main eventer, some guys will work and some won't. Ultimately it worked out better for Swerve and for AEW anyway. It's less that he didn't see him as the instant main eventer, an more that he didn't really see anything in him. It took a lot of Swerve prodding and Michaels's endorsement for him to even start getting a meaningful push, which gives off the air that he was brought in specifically to keep him away from a nascent AEW with no meaningful plan for what they'd do with him, and it took them actually shaking him a bunch and going "Hunter wake up this dude is real" for him to start taking him even kind of seriously. doesn't help that they thought the big money guy was Top Dolla, you couldn't pick a more contrasting choice in terms of talent if you tried it would be like looking at DX and saying "hmm... this HHH guy can't do shit the real money is in ROAD DOGG", even if I have my own qualms with HHH.
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Post by Kalmia on Mar 7, 2024 17:20:50 GMT -5
Sometimes wrestlers are just square pegs in round holes and I think that's Swerve and WWE. They didn't know what to do with him and even if they had, I don't think he would have flourished under the WWE system the same he has in AEW. That's why having multiple companies with different styles is so important.
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Post by LiamMcDuggle on Mar 7, 2024 23:03:32 GMT -5
That was pretty of Trips biggest fumbles. HBK was the only one who saw star power in him and tried to use his effectively but Trips didn't I’m someone who saw him occasionally here in Ireland and even in the bar next to the National Stadium where OTT still holds shows, Swerve just had this star quality that’s hard to find, getting people to sing Shaka Khan (badly and out of sync) every time. The fact HHH went up to him and said “ Not you, it’s AJ Francis we want to build” is downright mind boggling. At worst, he should have been a US title guy like the North American title was for him in NXT.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2024 23:11:55 GMT -5
If I learned anything about swerve from LU and watching that entire journey and how he desribed his overall process...WWE was never for him IMO.
He is far too creative to be able to excell in that company...maybe in a couple years he gets enough clout to call his own shots if WWE comes calling again but WWE not seeing the star in him everyone else clearly saw IMO as a blessing in disguise.
Swerve is always looking at new ways to push his character and uses everyone else around him to find that one niche that no one else is covering and WWE was never gonna give him the room to do it.
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Post by Bo Rida on Mar 8, 2024 4:57:58 GMT -5
Although I like they acknowledged his past I'd tweak the framing a little.
He wants to do things the right way so that when he's finally world champion it's because he's the best, nobody can have any excuses.
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Post by Doo Doo Dickhead on Mar 8, 2024 11:45:29 GMT -5
I hope we get him vs. Cole
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 8, 2024 13:24:40 GMT -5
A whole lot of things came together organically to make him work as a mega-face. The in-ring style, the presentation, the match quality, the manager, and above all: the goal that people can root for. "First black AEW champion" is something people can get behind in a way that makes it easy to ignore the storylines, because there's a shoot element to it that's worth rooting for. It probably speaks to how stuff like the home invasion is a dicey proposition in wrestling even if it's supposed to be a heel action. Wrestlers turn based on audience reaction, and the reaction is based on so many factors that aren't strict adherence to what the characters have done in the story. Even as much as AEW crowds have mostly played along as long as the story is good, there's just too much about Swerve to buy into that I think audiences reached a limit on humoring his role. I never want to see another home invasion angle for the rest of my days. They always come off stupid in the long term. The contrarian in me wanted to argue, but, no. There's no point in them anymore. Usually it just gets the person doing the invading cheered, while fans go full-Heenan with the "The spouse and kids deserved it, the monsters!".
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Post by 06vwgti on Mar 8, 2024 14:02:01 GMT -5
Impact had a hotel invasion last night and I laughed but then again Steve maclin while putting in good heel work as an unlikeable character that deserved it lol
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Post by asuka007 on Mar 8, 2024 15:49:59 GMT -5
He USED to be a piece of shit, he's not anymore I'm worried that Hangman Adam Page thinks Swerve Strickland can't change (While implying that he’s f***ing Adam Cole’s GF behind Cole’s back). 😉
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