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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 8, 2024 8:25:37 GMT -5
Dynamite is a slog of a TV show. The 20 minute "bangers" are broken up by commercials which throw off engagement from casual viewers and ruins the pace of the show. Even if your watching the Fite version, with the commentators clearly wanting to take a break but can't and wind up not selling anything, your only getting the funny parts of those on Botchamania. I'd rather watch the highlights on youtube. What Am I missing? an armbar? a flip? Lmfao I’m glad the “actually this wrestling show needs less wrestling” folks are starting to pop up, that’s when you know a thread is getting goodI think it’s a fair point for some (not saying whether it will lead to higher or lower ratings, but just for enjoyments sake). I enjoyed this Dynamite more than many others because of the shorter matches, more in-ring promos and unpredictable nature of the show.
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Post by SneakMan on Mar 8, 2024 8:38:17 GMT -5
I think it’s a fair point for some (not saying whether it will lead to higher or lower ratings, but just for enjoyments sake). I enjoyed this Dynamite more than many others because of the shorter matches, more in-ring promos and unpredictable nature of the show. End of the day I’m fine with folks having their own preferences, but trying to paint it that Dynamite getting a low rating this week is objectively due to the structure of the show being too wrestling-heavy (and bringing up the mythical casual fan) goes beyond that and is what prompts an “lmfao” from me.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 8, 2024 8:51:05 GMT -5
I think it’s a fair point for some (not saying whether it will lead to higher or lower ratings, but just for enjoyments sake). I enjoyed this Dynamite more than many others because of the shorter matches, more in-ring promos and unpredictable nature of the show. End of the day I’m fine with folks having their own preferences, but trying to paint it that Dynamite getting a low rating this week is objectively due to the structure of the show being too wrestling-heavy (and bringing up the mythical casual fan) goes beyond that and is what prompts an “lmfao” from me. Sure, I guess I was just responding to the “wrestling show needs less wrestling” aspect of it.
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Post by Malibu Albino on Mar 8, 2024 9:28:50 GMT -5
5 page thread discussing the ratings and arguing about who to blame it on? Oh yeah, AEW is so back!
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 8, 2024 9:41:46 GMT -5
Well Ospreay has been in AEW before this and done well, and Okada had the highest rated segment of the night outside of the lead-in which is usually always the highest It's not really indicative on Will, it's just how the ratings are, unpredictable and not reflective of how much people might not care about a wrestler tbh There’s putting too much stock in the ratings for certain segments but then there’s the other end where people pretend it’s completely random. I think there’s a happy medium there and you can glean who is moving numbers and connecting with the TV audience through quarter hours and minute by minutes over time. It’s definitely something to track I also think competition needs to be tracked, and the last half hour of Dynamite went against Family Guy (On its new night and season premiere), which drew over a million viewers that wasn't there for the rest of the show. I feel like that'd explain a bit of dropoff at the very least.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 8, 2024 9:59:16 GMT -5
There’s putting too much stock in the ratings for certain segments but then there’s the other end where people pretend it’s completely random. I think there’s a happy medium there and you can glean who is moving numbers and connecting with the TV audience through quarter hours and minute by minutes over time. It’s definitely something to track I also think competition needs to be tracked, and the last half hour of Dynamite went against Family Guy (On its new night and season premiere), which drew over a million viewers that wasn't there for the rest of the show. I feel like that'd explain a bit of dropoff at the very least. Family Guy did way less viewers (and demo) on Fox than the shows that were on Fox from 8-9:30. Masked Singer from 8-9 had 3.3 million viewers.
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Post by lucas_lee on Mar 8, 2024 10:01:54 GMT -5
I think it’s a fair point for some (not saying whether it will lead to higher or lower ratings, but just for enjoyments sake). I enjoyed this Dynamite more than many others because of the shorter matches, more in-ring promos and unpredictable nature of the show. End of the day I’m fine with folks having their own preferences, but trying to paint it that Dynamite getting a low rating this week is objectively due to the structure of the show being too wrestling-heavy (and bringing up the mythical casual fan) goes beyond that and is what prompts an “lmfao” from me. I dont even think its the guys point. I think the dude was saying the longer matches on TV with commercial breaks kill the flow of these banger matches and I agree to an extent. Even when I can get my hands on the FITE stream the commentary is awkward and killing for time.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 8, 2024 10:14:33 GMT -5
End of the day I’m fine with folks having their own preferences, but trying to paint it that Dynamite getting a low rating this week is objectively due to the structure of the show being too wrestling-heavy (and bringing up the mythical casual fan) goes beyond that and is what prompts an “lmfao” from me. I dont even think its the guys point. I think the dude was saying the longer matches on TV with commercial breaks kill the flow of these banger matches and I agree to an extent. Even when I can get my hands on the FITE stream the commentary is awkward and killing for time. I personally disagree on fite.I love the no f***s giuven commentary on the breaks on FITE.
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Post by daaave on Mar 8, 2024 10:47:57 GMT -5
The only metric I care about is whether I liked the show or not. And I liked the show
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Post by Doo Doo is Worse Than WCW 2000 on Mar 8, 2024 11:08:21 GMT -5
The only metric I care about is whether I liked the show or not. And I liked the show
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Post by Instant Classic on Mar 8, 2024 11:38:23 GMT -5
In part, I sorta feel like AEW's ratings collapse for a match like Ospreay vs Fletcher is brought on by AEW's desire to constantly book underneath talents as though they're on par with top level stars. I don't think that match last night made Ospreay look like a main event talent. I think it made him look like a dude who repeatedly struggled to defeat Kyle Fletcher. The guy who knows Will so well because he helped bring him up career wise, literally lived with him, and is a champion in another promotion Kyle Fletcher Dude isn't a jobber. Also, just for further context, Will was working hurt, literally they stressed he wasn't 100 percent coming out of the Konosuke match, and he struggled for that reason too They explain these things to the viewer, consistently. No offense to the guy but for casuals Kyle was in a tag team where people probably didn’t know who was who. It was a great match but it shouldn’t of been the main event. Kyle Fletcher doesn’t really deserve to main event atm.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 8, 2024 12:09:15 GMT -5
The guy who knows Will so well because he helped bring him up career wise, literally lived with him, and is a champion in another promotion Kyle Fletcher Dude isn't a jobber. Also, just for further context, Will was working hurt, literally they stressed he wasn't 100 percent coming out of the Konosuke match, and he struggled for that reason too They explain these things to the viewer, consistently. No offense to the guy but for casuals Kyle was in a tag team where people probably didn’t know who was who. It was a great match but it shouldn’t of been the main event. Kyle Fletcher doesn’t really deserve to main event atm. He did have singles matches against Omega and Danielson in recent memory. Maybe the card could've been ordered differently I can give that but the end stinger of Ospreay vs Danielson imo was a big deal
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Mar 8, 2024 12:17:01 GMT -5
Lmfao I’m glad the “actually this wrestling show needs less wrestling” folks are starting to pop up, that’s when you know a thread is getting goodI think it’s a fair point for some (not saying whether it will lead to higher or lower ratings, but just for enjoyments sake). I enjoyed this Dynamite more than many others because of the shorter matches, more in-ring promos and unpredictable nature of the show. Same. I really enjoyed the structure and variety (of segments in the show in general). That being said, I really enjoyed the main event. But this is where the proverbial rubber meets the road as far as AEW and AEW discussions go. Fletcher is not a big name. Hook and Joe drew a bit ago and both have a following. So while I agree, great matches are their (AEWs) bread and butter, and they should be different, I think there’s validity in ppl criticizing this bring the first tv outing for will post ppv debut. I love the way swerve was showcased in the tag match. Looked like a million bucks. That was the point of it. Not a competitive tag match with those jobbers. So, in that being said, the main event could have been utilized similarly as a vehicle to just show off Will. Shortening that could have done it. But then you wouldn’t have had that BaNgER. So again.. conundrum. I dunno what the answer is. I did enjoy it though.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Mar 8, 2024 12:31:43 GMT -5
So, in that being said, the main event could have been utilized similarly as a vehicle to just show off Will. Shortening that could have done it. But then you wouldn’t have had that BaNgER. So again.. conundrum. I dunno what the answer is. I did enjoy it though. There's more to it than just the night's rating, though. Will Ospreay needs to be promoted as the absolute best in-ring wrestler on television - that's why he was signed, and frankly, that's the reason anyone cares about him. In order to prove that he has those chops to the uninitiated, he has to actually have bangers on TV. Not just squashes that show off his moves, proof that he is on the level of an Omega or a Danielson. Kyle Fletcher is a wrestler who can, demonstrably, go at that level, while being utterly expendable as far as wins and losses. If the goal was to prove that Will Ospreay could have an absolutely excellent match with just about anyone, then that goal was pretty much achieved, and there's a hope that it builds the buzz for Ospreay (and, in a best case scenario, for Fletcher) via word of mouth, clips, gifs, etc. That might not all come to pass, but in navigating the requirements of "prove he's really that good" and "don't burn a PPV match," "get a good quarter hour rating for the main event slot that usually sees a drop" was the thing that fell through, and I doubt anyone was too surprised. In a best case scenario, this builds interest in the participants and makes at least some people who skipped it this time try out Ospreay or Fletcher the next time they're on. The best case scenario may not come to pass, but as I like to point out, a lot of wrestling promoting is built on gambles like that.
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Post by dbsot on Mar 8, 2024 13:12:06 GMT -5
I think it’s a fair point for some (not saying whether it will lead to higher or lower ratings, but just for enjoyments sake). I enjoyed this Dynamite more than many others because of the shorter matches, more in-ring promos and unpredictable nature of the show. Same. I really enjoyed the structure and variety (of segments in the show in general). That being said, I really enjoyed the main event. But this is where the proverbial rubber meets the road as far as AEW and AEW discussions go. Fletcher is not a big name. Hook and Joe drew a bit ago and both have a following. So while I agree, great matches are their (AEWs) bread and butter, and they should be different, I think there’s validity in ppl criticizing this bring the first tv outing for will post ppv debut. I love the way swerve was showcased in the tag match. Looked like a million bucks. That was the point of it. Not a competitive tag match with those jobbers. So, in that being said, the main event could have been utilized similarly as a vehicle to just show off Will. Shortening that could have done it. But then you wouldn’t have had that BaNgER. So again.. conundrum. I dunno what the answer is. I did enjoy it though. The problem with the matches on Dynamite is that there were three matches in the first hour and two of them were squashes. AEW's fanbase has been built on the expectation that they will see the best in-ring action. I even liked that AEW crammed as many stories in the show as possible since that is something that AEW did during the first year of Dynamite. The difference is that those early episodes were packed with great in-ring action as well. If they can bring back that balance, then I think you will see more viewers sticking around during the shows. To highlight this some more, early Dynamites felt like shows that didn't let the viewers breath (in a good way). I think the format they used on Wednesday could do that again, but the in-ring action has to match the pace. The double ad breaks were also a big problem this Wednesday. Usually, most weeks they only have 2 quarter hours with double ad breaks in them. However, this episode had 3 because they can only do those double breaks during matches. Since there were less matches and more segments this week, 3 of the 5 matches had double breaks. Each one of those quarter hours had a sharp drop in viewers.
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Post by King Devitt on Mar 8, 2024 21:00:27 GMT -5
I can see how the next month is going to go. We're going to get people yelling about Ospreay being immediately thrown into singles main events while also complaining about Okada not immediately being thrown in singles main events. we should be complaining about UK and ftr instead! I call dibs on FTR! Who wants to nab UK?
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Post by Cyno on Mar 8, 2024 21:09:36 GMT -5
Mike "Mike Santana" Bennett.
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Post by uewfigfed on Mar 9, 2024 5:30:54 GMT -5
I don’t get this ratings stuff. Big Buzz Comin off stings retirement, and a solid ppv, and THESE are the numbers!? Ridiculous, I expected a low to mid 900 this week won’t lie, and this episode did enough to set up forward progression smh
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 9, 2024 5:39:15 GMT -5
I don’t get this ratings stuff. Big Buzz Comin off stings retirement, and a solid ppv, and THESE are the numbers!? Ridiculous, I expected a low to mid 900 this week won’t lie, and this episode did enough to set up forward progression smh This is also why it's honestly not healthy to get invested in these numbers Everything is going great right now, positive PPV buzz, great buyrate, great follow up show, Warner loves the product and loves AEW. Honestly, great vibes, great everything. Then a Nielson number comes out on a chart lacking any context with a lower number than expected, and it's discourse city It's why a lot of people are just fed up with these threads and suddenly needing to find issues especially when the vibes were immaculate before the chart existed. As I said when WWE got their big time extensions and their ratings threads became near obsolete, I really hope AEW gets theirs soon, so these can do the same and they can be locked in for 5-10 years moving forward without anyone worrying about if a lower number every odd week is gonna be a harbinger of doom on Twitter.
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Post by daaave on Mar 9, 2024 6:08:06 GMT -5
The Voices of Wrestling guys touched on this and I agreed. It really wasn't a show designed to pop a rating. Not much announced ahead of time, Okada a total suprise. Fletcher, as good as he is, is relatively low name opponent for Ospreay. Daddy Magic getting squashed.
If they really wanted to pop a rating they would gave done something with Sting. Farewell or something. Booked Ospreay with a bigger name. Announced Okada in advance etc.
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