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Post by ben:friendship frog on Apr 11, 2024 16:40:13 GMT -5
As a small time video editor I feel the pain.
It honestly reads to me that the creator thought it was just gonna be a personal thing but then when the art was being used further to a huge audience without credit they wanted some compensation, or even just credit, which I don't think is too much to ask.
But it's bad communication on both sides, however I'm more inclined to forgive the inexperienced small creator for being naive than the very experienced person with a huge audience and 'team'/husband sending shitty messages back and forth.
Classic gaslighting going on there with the (and I'm paraphrasing because I can't be assed to read through it again)"this is why I don't like these businesses" and "I would have used you for further work, but nowwwwwww, I don't know if I can trust you". Just nah, you guys are old enough to know better.
And that's not even starting on the other situation which looks like a total mess.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Apr 11, 2024 17:59:19 GMT -5
I'm sorry but Malakai Black allegedly pretending to be her assistant is the funniest shit ever. What. Malakai going through his Kneelift arc.
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Post by HIM on Apr 11, 2024 18:07:19 GMT -5
Mecha HOOOOOOWINGTHHH Still can't believe dude did this.
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Post by Defrebel - White Pony on Apr 11, 2024 18:21:29 GMT -5
Patrick Wooooo! Wings
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Apr 11, 2024 18:40:59 GMT -5
Where's the gosh darn video, Zelina? I'm holding off my Payback card for you!
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Post by Hernan on Apr 11, 2024 19:07:36 GMT -5
If I'm honest, I'm not surprised about this from Vega. The moment she returned to WWE after months of doing the whole "support union" thing, I knew this was a red flag to me.
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Post by FinalGwen on Apr 11, 2024 19:10:28 GMT -5
Honestly even with the 'don't pay me anything' I find it hard to have any sympathy here. You're working with a big budget, you're someone with star power interacting with someone younger who probably doesn't know the worth of their own work, if they say shit like that you insist on paying them. I've seen cases of theatre stars getting huge amounts of work from talented young artists for frankly criminal prices the same way.
Even as someone on minimum wage, if I'm commissioning art from someone who's undercharging for their work I'll give a hefty tip to remind them of their value. That a WWE 'superstar' can't have the same mindset is frankly just kinda sad, especially given how often wrestlers in their early careers are similarly exploited.
And that's before we get to the more substantial stuff here. About what I'd expect from someone who dropped all her pretentions of being pro-union and deleted all her tweets on the subject the minute WWE came calling back.
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Post by DSR on Apr 11, 2024 19:11:30 GMT -5
I'm sorry but Malakai Black allegedly pretending to be her assistant is the funniest shit ever. What. Malakai going through his Kneelift arc. WHAT DOE BRODY KING HAIR?!
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Post by Muskrat on Apr 11, 2024 19:26:04 GMT -5
As a small time video editor I feel the pain. It honestly reads to me that the creator thought it was just gonna be a personal thing but then when the art was being used further to a huge audience without credit they wanted some compensation, or even just credit, which I don't think is too much to ask. But it's bad communication on both sides, however I'm more inclined to forgive the inexperienced small creator for being naive than the very experienced person with a huge audience and 'team'/husband sending shitty messages back and forth. Classic gaslighting going on there with the (and I'm paraphrasing because I can't be assed to read through it again)"this is why I don't like these businesses" and "I would have used you for further work, but nowwwwwww, I don't know if I can trust you". Just nah, you guys are old enough to know better. And that's not even starting on the other situation which looks like a total mess. Yeah, Zelina does not come across good in that text exchange at all. If I were any sort of creator or artist I'd certainly steer clear of her and Malakai after reading this.
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Post by 06vwgti on Apr 11, 2024 19:30:06 GMT -5
The weirdest thing about this might be that Zelina still uses an AIM email address (they should've hidden that) Guilty of that. Granted I didn't want to switch over my accounts tied to it. Lol
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Post by Defrebel - White Pony on Apr 11, 2024 19:32:34 GMT -5
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Post by J is Justice on Apr 11, 2024 20:13:13 GMT -5
Just what I'd expect from the one of the Four Lords of Shadaloo.
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Post by schma on Apr 12, 2024 9:41:18 GMT -5
The weirdest thing about this might be that Zelina still uses an AIM email address (they should've hidden that) Guilty of that. Granted I didn't want to switch over my accounts tied to it. Lol I still have an active hotmail. It's no longer my primary address, but still.
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Post by Muskrat on Apr 12, 2024 9:46:33 GMT -5
Guilty of that. Granted I didn't want to switch over my accounts tied to it. Lol I still have an active hotmail. It's no longer my primary address, but still. My XBox Live account is still tied to my Hotmail account that I made in high school. Literally the only thing I still use that email for, I haven't actually maintained it as a regular address in 15 years.
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Post by Cyno on Apr 12, 2024 9:53:54 GMT -5
I still have an active hotmail. It's no longer my primary address, but still. My XBox Live account is still tied to my Hotmail account that I made in high school. Literally the only thing I still use that email for, I haven't actually maintained it as a regular address in 15 years. I didn't realize Hotmail still existed. I thought Microsoft migrated everything over to Outlook ages ago.
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Post by schma on Apr 12, 2024 9:59:13 GMT -5
My XBox Live account is still tied to my Hotmail account that I made in high school. Literally the only thing I still use that email for, I haven't actually maintained it as a regular address in 15 years. I didn't realize Hotmail still existed. I thought Microsoft migrated everything over to Outlook ages ago. It is basically outlook but the address is still hotmail. I do actually use it for a lot of stuff since I've had it since high school. It's just that my gmail is more more used one now.
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Post by Muskrat on Apr 12, 2024 10:01:15 GMT -5
My XBox Live account is still tied to my Hotmail account that I made in high school. Literally the only thing I still use that email for, I haven't actually maintained it as a regular address in 15 years. I didn't realize Hotmail still existed. I thought Microsoft migrated everything over to Outlook ages ago. Years ago they said they were gonna drop the Hotmail branding completely but they never did. You can still sign up for a Hotmail.com address when you open an Outlook account.
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Post by john84 on Apr 12, 2024 11:37:48 GMT -5
If true than I'm disappointed in Zelina. If it is true than I hope the creator gets whatever money is owed.
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Post by Legion on Apr 12, 2024 12:16:26 GMT -5
Good to see she was able to pretty much prove this was all people causing shit and jumping on a bandwagon.
Another case of the internet jumping from 0 to lynch mob before getting the whole story.
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Post by The Legendary Ring Troll {BLM} on Apr 12, 2024 13:08:59 GMT -5
Good to see she was able to pretty much prove this was all people causing shit and jumping on a bandwagon. Another case of the internet jumping from 0 to lynch mob before getting the whole story. Did you also read the reply one of the creators posted to her reply? With additional context she left out, including some gaslighting comments? Yeah, the creator shouldn’t have said “no pay,” that’s their fault. But the idea they were too star struck to think straight, being a small time creator and a huge fan of hers, isn’t out of line. Then when the creator realized Vega was selling her artwork as merch, they reached out to reach a new agreement for that. Zelina proceeded to gaslight and manipulate the creator into allowing Zelina to use the art for free while the creator apologized for the misunderstanding. After that, all responses to the creator from Vega became cold one word answers and questions. Could Vega have been upset that when she tried to offer compensation for purchasing the art, the creator refused payment, only to ask for it later? Sure, but being the rich celebrity she is, she could have been the bigger person, seen the misunderstanding, and negotiated a fair price while not being cold to a fan of hers.
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