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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Apr 19, 2024 9:13:48 GMT -5
I don't get why Athletic Commissions have anything to do with Professional Wrestling anymore. It's that simple! I understand why they want to ($$$) but it makes ZERO sense. I was listening to an old timey wrestler dude (he's banned on here but I swear I have a point to this post) and he was talking about how even in the 80's/90's, he had no idea what the f*** the commission actually does beside take some money, lazily make sure folks have a pulse before entering the ring, and just generally being a nuisance. Seems to be pretty universal disdain for these governing bodies.
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Post by Urn Anderson on Apr 19, 2024 9:29:12 GMT -5
The crazy thing is, this completely flies in the face of their very own logic.
The whole deal with this is that they think there's an unfair advantage based on size and strength. If you're working a match and trusting someone to protect you, it is actually safer and to your benefit to have someone who is bigger and stronger if a spot goes sideways.
Friends joke with me that Brody King is my evil twin. If someone is catching me on a dive, I'd sure rather it be Claudio Castagnoli than James Ellsworth.
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Post by jean0987654321 on Apr 19, 2024 13:45:02 GMT -5
What a bunch of jackasses
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Post by HMARK Center on Apr 19, 2024 14:09:44 GMT -5
On the topic of how AEW (or any other promotion) should approach this: I'm more inclined to say "screw it, not running a show here". The catch, though, is that it's not directly to harm the fans in that area - not everybody can leave a place with terrible policies, some people stay to try and bring positive change to such places, some people don't have the means/need a local support system, plenty of local areas are great but happen to be in a state with bigoted policies, etc.
It's more just the general concept that money talks - deprive an area of the money you can bring them, and it has the potential to get the ball rolling for something bigger to start happening, which could in turn lead to positive changes because you're holding the local government's feet to the fire. It forces attention on the matter, and could get other groups to join you in boycotting, which in turn could get local people speaking up more and demanding action, as well.
Granted, it may not be the ideal answer; if you're just boycotting on your own and no one else is really joining you or you're not attempting a wider movement, it's not a particularly effective tool. And yes, you do have fans in places like OKC who didn't ask for any of this and who aren't supportive of the idiots making statements like this, and it sucks if they're deprived. But it feels like you have to at least make an attempt sometimes, you know? I'd at least want them to consider it as an option; maybe they do and they find out it's not going to do much good to boycott, in which case that's fair, but I think it at least needs to be considered.
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Apr 19, 2024 14:16:07 GMT -5
The crazy thing is, this completely flies in the face of their very own logic. The whole deal with this is that they think there's an unfair advantage based on size and strength. If you're working a match and trusting someone to protect you, it is actually safer and to your benefit to have someone who is bigger and stronger if a spot goes sideways. Friends joke with me that Brody King is my evil twin. If someone is catching me on a dive, I'd sure rather it be Claudio Castagnoli than James Ellsworth. As some on who is roughly the same height as Brody and outweighs him based on his listed weight? Yeah. Same.
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Post by Cyno on Apr 19, 2024 14:16:46 GMT -5
On the topic of how AEW (or any other promotion) should approach this: I'm more inclined to say "screw it, not running a show here". The catch, though, is that it's not directly to harm the fans in that area - not everybody can leave a place with terrible policies, some people stay to try and bring positive change to such places, some people don't have the means/need a local support system, plenty of local areas are great but happen to be in a state with bigoted policies, etc. It's more just the general concept that money talks - deprive an area of the money you can bring them, and it has the potential to get the ball rolling for something bigger to start happening, which could in turn lead to positive changes because you're holding the local government's feet to the fire. It forces attention on the matter, and could get other groups to join you in boycotting, which in turn could get local people speaking up more and demanding action, as well. Granted, it may not be the ideal answer; if you're just boycotting on your own and no one else is really joining you or you're not attempting a wider movement, it's not a particularly effective tool. And yes, you do have fans in places like OKC who didn't ask for any of this and who aren't supportive of the idiots making statements like this, and it sucks if they're deprived. But it feels like you have to at least make an attempt sometimes, you know? I'd at least want them to consider it as an option; maybe they do and they find out it's not going to do much good to boycott, in which case that's fair, but I think it at least needs to be considered. I think that's why it'd need to be the industry as a whole acting. Because I don't think AEW boycotting Oklahoma on its own would do much of anything except showing moral support to Nyla. Which is still a great reason, but it won't affect any meaningful change. Now if you had TKO joining in and saying "we're joining in with AEW's protest and not running UFC or WWE events until this is changed," something could happen. But given the kinds of partners TKO is in bed with, I can't see them doing that, unfortunately.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Apr 19, 2024 14:32:05 GMT -5
On the topic of how AEW (or any other promotion) should approach this: I'm more inclined to say "screw it, not running a show here". The catch, though, is that it's not directly to harm the fans in that area - not everybody can leave a place with terrible policies, some people stay to try and bring positive change to such places, some people don't have the means/need a local support system, plenty of local areas are great but happen to be in a state with bigoted policies, etc. It's more just the general concept that money talks - deprive an area of the money you can bring them, and it has the potential to get the ball rolling for something bigger to start happening, which could in turn lead to positive changes because you're holding the local government's feet to the fire. It forces attention on the matter, and could get other groups to join you in boycotting, which in turn could get local people speaking up more and demanding action, as well. Granted, it may not be the ideal answer; if you're just boycotting on your own and no one else is really joining you or you're not attempting a wider movement, it's not a particularly effective tool. And yes, you do have fans in places like OKC who didn't ask for any of this and who aren't supportive of the idiots making statements like this, and it sucks if they're deprived. But it feels like you have to at least make an attempt sometimes, you know? I'd at least want them to consider it as an option; maybe they do and they find out it's not going to do much good to boycott, in which case that's fair, but I think it at least needs to be considered. I think that's why it'd need to be the industry as a whole acting. Because I don't think AEW boycotting Oklahoma on its own would do much of anything except showing moral support to Nyla. Which is still a great reason, but it won't affect any meaningful change. Now if you had TKO joining in and saying "we're joining in with AEW's protest and not running UFC or WWE events until this is changed," something could happen. But given the kinds of partners TKO is in bed with, I can't see them doing that, unfortunately. I've calmed down a lot from yesterday but I just wanna say that you're not wrong in that them alone might not do much but these things have to start with someone or some corporation. It almost never starts with all of them grouping together and putting out on unified statement. I completely get your sentiment because we live in a capitalist shithole but if Tony ever wanted to go full forum poster, put the onus on WWE/others to join up and do something that already should have been done and most importantly do the right moral thing, now is the time. AEW coming out and being tough on this would immediately put eyes on other wrestling companies not saying anything. It would highly increase the chance that other companies join up and rightfully say this isn't okay.
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Post by daaave on Apr 19, 2024 15:49:19 GMT -5
Absolutely zero chance WWE and/or UFC would do anything about this. UFC recently platformed a fighter who said horrid trans and homophobic nonsense and they did absolutely nothing about it
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Post by Kalmia on Apr 19, 2024 15:56:33 GMT -5
The only way it would go industry wide is if it was turned into a broader issue. Less about Nyla being targeted because she's trans and more about Athletic Commissions being obsolete in regards to pro wrestling and overstepping their boundaries. I don't think that tack would be successful either but it would probably get further.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Apr 19, 2024 16:06:45 GMT -5
WWE in the past has very directly weaponized athletic commissions, like the year Mania was in NYC and suddenly a whole bunch of laws about over the top rope moves and piledrivers were being scrutinized, but clearly only for the indie shows running that same weekend. It was an entire thing. We're not seeing any kind of industry-wide cooperation to fight this.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Apr 19, 2024 16:12:02 GMT -5
a boycott works if you can organise it to let Oklahoma fans know why it's happening and how they can make noise locally and fight this sort of shit from happening again. Some sort of industry wide solidarity would probably help too. Problem with even imagining this sort of stuff though is it feels like the idea's beyond the capability of literally all pro wrestling organisations. Numbers and pressure, though. That's where you get things working.
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Post by nisidhe on Apr 19, 2024 18:00:18 GMT -5
Make it a charity show in support of an OK group devoted to protecting and ensuring gender-affirming care to young trans people.
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Post by Soultastic on Apr 19, 2024 18:03:12 GMT -5
Run a show where the wrestlers have gimmick matches based on a sport that has not banned trans people yet to use as a technicism.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 19, 2024 20:54:36 GMT -5
I don't get why Athletic Commissions have anything to do with Professional Wrestling anymore. It's that simple! I understand why they want to ($$$) but it makes ZERO sense. I was listening to an old timey wrestler dude (he's banned on here but I swear I have a point to this post) and he was talking about how even in the 80's/90's, he had no idea what the f*** the commission actually does beside take some money, lazily make sure folks have a pulse before entering the ring, and just generally being a nuisance. Seems to be pretty universal disdain for these governing bodies. Cornette has intimated that part of it was to help territories maintain their monopoly on certain, well, territories for their mutual benefit, since obviously the cities and states made more money if business stayed strong, and shittily run shows by fly-by promoters could damage a town's interest in wrestling. More modernly, I think it was Lance Storm who conjectured that it's mostly just to collect fees and to be able to pull a license if someone does something egregious.
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Post by Rave on Apr 19, 2024 23:03:42 GMT -5
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 20, 2024 0:57:49 GMT -5
Get Logan Knight a AEW match STAT, even if it's a squash.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Apr 20, 2024 5:27:07 GMT -5
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Post by wankah on Apr 20, 2024 6:04:31 GMT -5
Why the hell do you need licences for in the first place?
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Post by RI Richmark on Apr 20, 2024 11:04:14 GMT -5
I get the "go there anyway and pay a fine" sentiment, but I'm vehemently against the idea of these "people" getting money. Even "f*** you" money. Never run a show there again and remind viewers why. I'd run a show there with all proceeds going to support LGBT causes in Oklahoma. I'd also let Nyla cut a promo where she can tell the athletic commission where to stick it. And since she's not WRESTLING on this show AEW can't be fined, can they?
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Post by papagiorgio on Apr 20, 2024 11:20:47 GMT -5
While there are physical advantages to a biological male competing in a female competitive sport, I think it is ridiculous they care about a predetermined outcome event. It should be treated like filming a movie. Pro Wrestling shouldn't be regulated like a normal sport by an athletic commission.
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