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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Apr 23, 2024 17:56:23 GMT -5
Debuts are about to get crazy. What’s Hinder Videl doing in the Impact Zone?!
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Apr 23, 2024 18:05:55 GMT -5
It seems like this is more likely to affect employees than the wrestlers themselves. I remember Renee Young had a non compete after she left when it came to the wrestling industry that seemingly wouldn't hold up today.
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Post by john84 on Apr 23, 2024 18:07:59 GMT -5
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 23, 2024 18:10:27 GMT -5
It seems like this is more likely to affect employees than the wrestlers themselves. I remember Renee Young had a non compete after she left when it came to the wrestling industry that seemingly wouldn't hold up today. Yeah that is true. May be easier for those employees wanting to switch companies to just do so with standard two weeks’ notice (depending on their contracts of course).
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Apr 23, 2024 18:32:17 GMT -5
Debuts are about to get crazy. It's not unthinkable. Raven in 2003 debuted in TNA a day or two after being released. I've always wondered is it a situation were technically you can go anywhere immediately but obviously you'd be forfeiting your 90 days pay? Very few people would be likely to turn down a quarter years salary to sit home, heal up and spend time with family but if they were desperate to work elsewhere immediately is that an option? I just like the idea of Raven potentially being so desperate to be in TNA he gave up maybe 6 figures to make it happen right away when he could just have waited a couple months. And this coming not long after he was the only one to take up Bischoff's offer that one time in WCW to walk away from guaranteed money to return to ECW at it's most unstable time when checks were probably bouncing left and right.
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Post by cjh on Apr 23, 2024 18:48:45 GMT -5
It's not unthinkable. Raven in 2003 debuted in TNA a day or two after being released. I've always wondered is it a situation were technically you can go anywhere immediately but obviously you'd be forfeiting your 90 days pay? Very few people would be likely to turn down a quarter years salary to sit home, heal up and spend time with family but if they were desperate to work elsewhere immediately is that an option? I just like the idea of Raven potentially being so desperate to be in TNA he gave up maybe 6 figures to make it happen right away when he could just have waited a couple months. And this coming not long after he was the only one to take up Bischoff's offer that one time in WCW to walk away from guaranteed money to return to ECW at it's most unstable time when checks were probably bouncing left and right. Raven went to the WWF in 2000 as soon as he was legally able. His release from WCW said he could go to ECW but not the WWF. To answer your first question, WWE wrestlers are not actually released until 90 days after they're told they're being released. If you get the call on April 23, you still work for WWE until July 23. During the 90 days, you're no different than someone who is out with an injury.
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Post by 67 more on Apr 24, 2024 6:56:57 GMT -5
WWE's no compete clauses are closer in actuality to garden leave.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Apr 24, 2024 7:00:07 GMT -5
It's not unthinkable. Raven in 2003 debuted in TNA a day or two after being released. I've always wondered is it a situation were technically you can go anywhere immediately but obviously you'd be forfeiting your 90 days pay? Very few people would be likely to turn down a quarter years salary to sit home, heal up and spend time with family but if they were desperate to work elsewhere immediately is that an option? I just like the idea of Raven potentially being so desperate to be in TNA he gave up maybe 6 figures to make it happen right away when he could just have waited a couple months. And this coming not long after he was the only one to take up Bischoff's offer that one time in WCW to walk away from guaranteed money to return to ECW at it's most unstable time when checks were probably bouncing left and right. They might want to do it if jumping at the very peak of their hype would make the hype explode to a new level.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Apr 24, 2024 7:22:16 GMT -5
Reading the comments here, it seems WWE’s 90 day practice is still legally sound. And honestly I doubt it even makes much difference for the talent. They’re getting paid and having to wait three months to debut in AEW or elsewhere doesn’t seem like it would affect their career much. If anything, it forces them to pump the brakes and actually make a plan for their debut instead of throwing them on TV two days after they were on WWE for a pure shock pop.
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Post by Bo Rida on Apr 24, 2024 8:37:35 GMT -5
If WWE doesn't use non competes, then how was Del Rio able to get out of his in 2014? Presumably they wouldn't have let him out of it if it was legally sound. The notice periods are legally sound, in my opinion. Del Rio I believe they fired for cause and tried to enforce a one year ban or something similar. I normally think wwe's employment practices are scummy but I support anything that stops us from having to see Del Rio. A 50 year no compete cause seems fair in this case.
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Post by nisidhe on Apr 24, 2024 8:51:34 GMT -5
The "non-compete" clause accompanying contract releases in WWE are more of a layoff notice with severance rather than an outright release. It's not something that most other promotions can afford to do. Among those that can, it's as much to save money anyway or, as sometimes is the case, an immediate release is given to generate goodwill with talent who can then be free to perform elsewhere if they wish.
While we may give the WWE release terms a side-eye because of their perceived intent (to cool interest by other promotions in a talent), it's really not the same as a non-compete as we would see it defined legally. They're still under contract to WWE - they're just got going to be used regularly (if at all) for those last 90 days.
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Post by mikehhh1 on Apr 24, 2024 9:12:57 GMT -5
wwe isnt really a no compete, they are paying you for 90 days. its different
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Post by Feyrhausen on Apr 24, 2024 9:26:38 GMT -5
If WWE doesn't use non competes, then how was Del Rio able to get out of his in 2014? Presumably they wouldn't have let him out of it if it was legally sound. To my understanding, WWE had no-competes in big money contracts that were separate from the 90 day release thing. Apparently Del Rio and Punk were both hit by efforts to keep them away from any wrestling at all for at least a year, and they tried to block out Brock when he first left before he tried to call them on it. When Punk and especially later Del Rio fought back against them, they seem to have backed off, or at least haven't had anyone in a contract so big that it became an issue try to get into somewhere else. In order for Brock to get a release from his contract they made him sign a non compete, 10 years I believe with no wrestling or MMA. He didnt care as he thought he was going to play football. When that didnt work out he went to Japan first, then fought WWE over the non compete. They backed down rather than have their contacts looked at too closely.
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Post by chrom on Apr 24, 2024 9:39:33 GMT -5
Debuts are about to get crazy. Making waves all throughout MLW shows
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Post by Mid-Carder on Apr 24, 2024 9:49:31 GMT -5
Didn't Brock's lawsuit change WWE's non-compete clause?
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Post by Feyrhausen on Apr 24, 2024 9:53:06 GMT -5
Didn't Brock's lawsuit change WWE's non-compete clause? WWE backed down and settled to avoid a judgement that might go against them and invalidate existing or future contracts/no competes.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 24, 2024 10:51:20 GMT -5
Didn't Brock's lawsuit change WWE's non-compete clause? It wasn’t the standard clause in talent contracts that he challenged. He wanted an early release from his contract and so the WWE negotiated a separate non-compete agreement with him in order to grant him his release, in which he wouldn’t be able to engage in wrestling or combat sports for something like 7 years. He challenged that after he was done with the NFL because of how broad and long the non-compete was.
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