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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Apr 30, 2024 8:56:41 GMT -5
I don't outright disagree with the last few posts, except that, for better or for worse, within AEW Roderick Strong is a more formidable and decorated opponent than people like Ethan Page and Penta. I completely understand that those guys are perceived as more exciting than Roddy, but neither of them (and others listed) have really won as much as Roddy in AEW.
Beating the International Champion in what is likely to be a great match, and which has the added storyline element of Roddy having a kayfabe history of neck injuries and Ospreay currently being hesitant to use one of his best moves because of the high potential of causing neck injury feels like a logical progression of Ospreay in AEW. I'm assuming he'll hesitate and piss Callis off and progress toward finally fully disassociating himself from the Callis Family and turning face.
The only thing I'm somewhat worried about is that it's just sort of presumed that Ospreay will main event All In, and that's a lot that has to happen in 4 months in a company that isn't known for rapidly progressing stories, with Ospreay presumably having an entire International Title reign, breaking away from the Callis Family, and beginning a storyline with Swerve that has time to heat up the main event of AEW's biggest show of the year. I'm not as certain as everyone else that the match is happening this year.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 30, 2024 9:29:57 GMT -5
I don't outright disagree with the last few posts, except that, for better or for worse, within AEW Roderick Strong is a more formidable and decorated opponent than people like Ethan Page and Penta. I completely understand that those guys are perceived as more exciting than Roddy, but neither of them (and others listed) have really won as much as Roddy in AEW. Beating the International Champion in what is likely to be a great match, and which has the added storyline element of Roddy having a kayfabe history of neck injuries and Ospreay currently being hesitant to use one of his best moves because of the high potential of causing neck injury feels like a logical progression of Ospreay in AEW. I'm assuming he'll hesitate and piss Callis off and progress toward finally fully disassociating himself from the Callis Family and turning face. The only thing I'm somewhat worried about is that it's just sort of presumed that Ospreay will main event, and that's a lot that has to happen in 4 months in a company that isn't known for rapidly progressing stories, with Ospreay presumably having an entire International Title reign, breaking away from the Callis Family, and beginning a storyline with Swerve that has time to heat up the main event of AEW's biggest show of the year. I'm not as certain as everyone else that the match is happening this year. I would’ve considered Ospreay vs. Ethan Page an even bigger step down for Ospreay. Penta really hasn’t been pushed as a singles either so that would be a step down, though I’m always a mark for Penta. And if Ospreay is winning the International Title, I doubt they’re having him go for the world title at All In. Him and Okada will instead be in separate “dream matches” for their respective midcard titles, while Swerve faces someone else (maybe Hangman?).
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Apr 30, 2024 9:33:48 GMT -5
I don't outright disagree with the last few posts, except that, for better or for worse, within AEW Roderick Strong is a more formidable and decorated opponent than people like Ethan Page and Penta. I completely understand that those guys are perceived as more exciting than Roddy, but neither of them (and others listed) have really won as much as Roddy in AEW. Beating the International Champion in what is likely to be a great match, and which has the added storyline element of Roddy having a kayfabe history of neck injuries and Ospreay currently being hesitant to use one of his best moves because of the high potential of causing neck injury feels like a logical progression of Ospreay in AEW. I'm assuming he'll hesitate and piss Callis off and progress toward finally fully disassociating himself from the Callis Family and turning face. The only thing I'm somewhat worried about is that it's just sort of presumed that Ospreay will main event, and that's a lot that has to happen in 4 months in a company that isn't known for rapidly progressing stories, with Ospreay presumably having an entire International Title reign, breaking away from the Callis Family, and beginning a storyline with Swerve that has time to heat up the main event of AEW's biggest show of the year. I'm not as certain as everyone else that the match is happening this year. I would’ve considered Ospreay vs. Ethan Page an even bigger step down for Ospreay. Penta really hasn’t been pushed as a singles either so that would be a step down, though I’m always a mark for Penta. And if Ospreay is winning the International Title, I doubt they’re having him go for the world title at All In. Him and Okada will instead be in separate “dream matches” for their respective midcard titles, while Swerve faces someone else (maybe Hangman?). That's kind of what I suspect too. I think we might get something along the lines of Ospreay/ZSJ in a runback of Royal Quest III for the International Title. The International Title has always kind of been presented as the belt that is often defended against other companies' talent, so that was exactly where my head went when it became clear that Ospreay was probably going to get a run with it heading into All In.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 30, 2024 9:57:27 GMT -5
I don't outright disagree with the last few posts, except that, for better or for worse, within AEW Roderick Strong is a more formidable and decorated opponent than people like Ethan Page and Penta. I completely understand that those guys are perceived as more exciting than Roddy, but neither of them (and others listed) have really won as much as Roddy in AEW. Beating the International Champion in what is likely to be a great match, and which has the added storyline element of Roddy having a kayfabe history of neck injuries and Ospreay currently being hesitant to use one of his best moves because of the high potential of causing neck injury feels like a logical progression of Ospreay in AEW. I'm assuming he'll hesitate and piss Callis off and progress toward finally fully disassociating himself from the Callis Family and turning face. The only thing I'm somewhat worried about is that it's just sort of presumed that Ospreay will main event All In, and that's a lot that has to happen in 4 months in a company that isn't known for rapidly progressing stories, with Ospreay presumably having an entire International Title reign, breaking away from the Callis Family, and beginning a storyline with Swerve that has time to heat up the main event of AEW's biggest show of the year. I'm not as certain as everyone else that the match is happening this year. This is a booking issue,my point is the talent,not the booking and I honestly think the post was pretty clear about that. The poitn si clearly any of those would do better with a booking of the same level and are just better talent in-ring,which is the only plus of Roddy But talking about being formidable, Penta is 100% more beleviable as a threat than Roddy ,because Roddy has no energy and beleviability to him even when pushed.Penta may be a JTTS but his personality and in-ring prowess always makes him look like a threat ,and is one of the rivals of The Elite.
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Apr 30, 2024 10:03:34 GMT -5
I don't outright disagree with the last few posts, except that, for better or for worse, within AEW Roderick Strong is a more formidable and decorated opponent than people like Ethan Page and Penta. I completely understand that those guys are perceived as more exciting than Roddy, but neither of them (and others listed) have really won as much as Roddy in AEW. Beating the International Champion in what is likely to be a great match, and which has the added storyline element of Roddy having a kayfabe history of neck injuries and Ospreay currently being hesitant to use one of his best moves because of the high potential of causing neck injury feels like a logical progression of Ospreay in AEW. I'm assuming he'll hesitate and piss Callis off and progress toward finally fully disassociating himself from the Callis Family and turning face. The only thing I'm somewhat worried about is that it's just sort of presumed that Ospreay will main event All In, and that's a lot that has to happen in 4 months in a company that isn't known for rapidly progressing stories, with Ospreay presumably having an entire International Title reign, breaking away from the Callis Family, and beginning a storyline with Swerve that has time to heat up the main event of AEW's biggest show of the year. I'm not as certain as everyone else that the match is happening this year. This is a booking issue,my point is the talent,not the booking and I honestly think the post was pretty clear about that. Roddy isnt formidable with the booking behind him. I didn't mean to take a swipe at you specifically at all, sorry if it came across that way. Ethan Page is one of my favorite wrestlers, for example, and I think it's borderline criminal that he's been relegated to ROH island. I was just giving my own opinion as to why I didn't react quite as negatively to Ospreay being set up for a feud with Roddy as it seems like a lot of people did. I personally think Roddy's booking, along with the fact that he's currently holding probably the most overall protected of AEW's midcard titles, does make him a formidable opponent. Yeah, he was a bit of a comedy character for a few months, but he's always been presented as someone who will kick your ass in a match when push comes to shove. I think he's only lost 1 time this year in a trios match, and is undefeated in singles.
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Apr 30, 2024 10:13:42 GMT -5
Is the international title really more important than the TNT title? A few months ago? Sure and having Osprey go after it would make sense After Christians run and Strongs runs respectively, not even close IMO I think it's worth pointing out that, on the AEW website's banner, the singles champions appear in this order: 1) AEW World Champion 2) AEW International Champion 3) TNT Champion 4) AEW Continental Champion Although I would say that both the TNT and Continental Championships are currently held by talent higher up the card than Roddy on paper, I think that, based on historical booking, this is the intention. It's hard to make 1:1 comparisons to other companies, but I view them like this, based on the "traditional" championships: 1) AEW World Championship = Main Event World Title 2) AEW International Championship = Upper Midcard, like the traditional IC Title, with an added element of often being defended against other companies' stars. 3) TNT Championship = Midcard, "Television Championship." 4) Continental Championship = Still kind of early to figure out exactly what it's supposed to be, but it feels like a "floating" title that is similar to how the United States Championship was traditionally booked in the NWA and WCW.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 30, 2024 10:22:14 GMT -5
This might be better for a Swerve thread, but with Okada and Ospreay seemingly about to hold the Continental and International titles, does anyone worry about the positioning of Swerve’s world title run being similar to some failed WWE title runs in the past where the bigger stars are not fighting for the world title and overshadow the new champion?
Like a Swagger, Ziggler, early Punk, early Bryan type run where Cena , Triple H, etc are stealing the spotlight in other programs on the show. Now I do think Tony will continue main eventing with Swerve on the PPVs so it wouldn’t be as overt as those situations but it is something that came to mind after realizing that Ospreay appears to be headed for an International title run.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Apr 30, 2024 10:41:33 GMT -5
This might be better for a Swerve thread, but with Okada and Ospreay seemingly about to hold the Continental and International titles, does anyone worry about the positioning of Swerve’s world title run being similar to some failed WWE title runs in the past where the bigger stars are not fighting for the world title and overshadow the new champion? Like a Swagger, Ziggler, early Punk, early Bryan type run where Cena , Triple H, etc are stealing the spotlight in other programs on the show. Now I do think Tony will continue main eventing with Swerve on the PPVs so it wouldn’t be as overt as those situations but it is something that came to mind after realizing that Ospreay appears to be headed for an International title run. I'm not too worried about that because AEW is structured to handle it better than early 10's WWE was - they've already had the tag titles and TNT title drift in and out of main events, for example. Plus, I just straight up do not see Okada overshadowing Swerve at this time - the Continental title, with its non-interference clause and annual relinquishing, is a good tool for Okada to do what he needs, which is slowly simmer until he's all the way over with the AEW audience (he's over but he's not overwhelmingly main event over). To the degree that Ospreay might overshadow Swerve right now, that will be because of factors independent of whether either is holding a belt. Both of them need good angles, and like with Hangman during Punk's ascent, Swerve's reign will suffer if the angles are not there. Ospreay has his own storyline pretty set, it seems, and it's a good one for him, but I just don't see the Don Callis Family explosion as something that will inevitably outshine the world championship unless Swerve's slate of challenger angles is pretty dire.
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Post by thewaykokid on Apr 30, 2024 14:50:37 GMT -5
This could lead to a orange Osprey rematch which I am all for.
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