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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on May 8, 2024 21:41:10 GMT -5
I don’t know what it’ll end up being but I guarantee Okada does something really funny during the Anarchy match. He’s gonna stop and serve hot dogs or get distracted by a balloon vendor
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 8, 2024 22:28:51 GMT -5
Excited for this match, it'll be chaos in the best way and everyone's gonna bring it
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on May 9, 2024 0:14:32 GMT -5
Wonder how they can strike the balance of this story being fun and compelling to follow without veering into misery booking territory with the Elite getting one up over everyone every week.
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Post by bdon on May 9, 2024 0:36:26 GMT -5
Welp, they made it all of 3 weeks before Tony went into goofy booking and ruined the entire f***ing angle for me. The big bad Bucks are running rampant on AEW tv, and the best AEW could offer to represent themselves is FTR, Kingston, and Bryan. How very “AEW”. Yeah, this really feels like changing the world.
Or is that “changing the channel”?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 9, 2024 2:20:10 GMT -5
Welp, they made it all of 3 weeks before Tony went into goofy booking and ruined the entire f***ing angle for me. The big bad Bucks are running rampant on AEW tv, and the best AEW could offer to represent themselves is FTR, Kingston, and Bryan. How very “AEW”. Yeah, this really feels like changing the world. Or is that “changing the channel”? Man it took one moment in an angle for you go from loving AEW to shitting on the entire company like that? Because the shift between your last few posts and this one is kind of insane. Like the Bucks have run roughshod for all of two weeks. Kingston has opposed them, FTR has opposed them, Danielson hates Okada, and this will not be the climax of the feud nor should it be given it's just started. But the juxtaposition of "AEW feels like they're in a new stage of development and I love it" to "Changing the world? Or is that changing the channel?" is... kind of eyebrow raising, sorry the angle pissed you off that much I guess but it doesn't mean the angle or the company has f***ed itself, it's still developing and we're still weeks out from the match itself to develop that.
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Post by bdon on May 9, 2024 2:36:21 GMT -5
Welp, they made it all of 3 weeks before Tony went into goofy booking and ruined the entire f***ing angle for me. The big bad Bucks are running rampant on AEW tv, and the best AEW could offer to represent themselves is FTR, Kingston, and Bryan. How very “AEW”. Yeah, this really feels like changing the world. Or is that “changing the channel”? Man it took one moment in an angle for you go from loving AEW to shitting on the entire company like that? Because the shift between your last few posts and this one is kind of insane. Like the Bucks have run roughshod for all of two weeks. Kingston has opposed them, FTR has opposed them, Danielson hates Okada, and this will not be the climax of the feud nor should it be given it's just started. But the juxtaposition of "AEW feels like they're in a new stage of development and I love it" to "Changing the world? Or is that changing the channel?" is... kind of eyebrow raising, sorry the angle pissed you off that much I guess but it doesn't mean the angle or the company has f***ed itself, it's still developing and we're still weeks out from the match itself to develop that. Yes, Eddie Kingston and Bryan Danielson being the chosen opponents completely kills any idea of the Bucks/New Elite being legitimate threats. If you really need to win a SuperBowl bet, you probably aren’t putting a lot of money on the Buffalo Bills in the 90s, right? You clearly can’t win the big one. So why then does Tony and Kenny choose the two biggest f***ing losers on the roster to do their bidding? This opening act needed someone with cache to take a beatdown, lose, and return later with help. Now it just feels goofy, like they were never trying to actually compete. But this is par for the course with Tony: someone (maybe him, maybe the talent) comes up with a great idea and within a month, the idea has ran off the rails.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 9, 2024 2:43:49 GMT -5
Man it took one moment in an angle for you go from loving AEW to shitting on the entire company like that? Because the shift between your last few posts and this one is kind of insane. Like the Bucks have run roughshod for all of two weeks. Kingston has opposed them, FTR has opposed them, Danielson hates Okada, and this will not be the climax of the feud nor should it be given it's just started. But the juxtaposition of "AEW feels like they're in a new stage of development and I love it" to "Changing the world? Or is that changing the channel?" is... kind of eyebrow raising, sorry the angle pissed you off that much I guess but it doesn't mean the angle or the company has f***ed itself, it's still developing and we're still weeks out from the match itself to develop that. Yes, Eddie Kingston and Bryan Danielson being the chosen opponents completely kills any idea of the Bucks/New Elite being legitimate threats. If you really need to win a SuperBowl bet, you probably aren’t putting a lot of money on the Buffalo Bills in the 90s, right? You clearly can’t win the big one. So why then does Tony and Kenny choose the two biggest f***ing losers on the roster to do their bidding? This opening act needed someone with cache to take a beatdown, lose, and return later with help. Now it just feels goofy, like they were never trying to actually compete. But this is par for the course with Tony: someone (maybe him, maybe the talent) comes up with a great idea and within a month, the idea has ran off the rails. Calling Danielson and Kingston "The two biggest f***ing losers on the roster" when Danielson has beaten Okada and Kingston just came off the run of his career when he won three belts in three promotions and beat Moxley clean as a sheet sure is a choice and not a choice I'm agreeing with, you do you man. You think the ideas' been run off the rails, sorry you do, but in the grand scheme, a lot of people are still very excited for this match, me included so... sorry AEW ruined the angle for you and it's apparently this easy for you to turn on the company, especially with the "Par for the course" talk like you've been waiting for any reason to dog on this. It's not for me. Super excited for this and the chaos that comes with it.
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Post by bdon on May 9, 2024 2:50:04 GMT -5
Yes, Eddie Kingston and Bryan Danielson being the chosen opponents completely kills any idea of the Bucks/New Elite being legitimate threats. If you really need to win a SuperBowl bet, you probably aren’t putting a lot of money on the Buffalo Bills in the 90s, right? You clearly can’t win the big one. So why then does Tony and Kenny choose the two biggest f***ing losers on the roster to do their bidding? This opening act needed someone with cache to take a beatdown, lose, and return later with help. Now it just feels goofy, like they were never trying to actually compete. But this is par for the course with Tony: someone (maybe him, maybe the talent) comes up with a great idea and within a month, the idea has ran off the rails. Calling Danielson and Kingston "The two biggest f***ing losers on the roster" when Danielson has beaten Okada and Kingston just came off the run of his career when he won three belts in three promotions and beat Moxley clean as a sheet sure is a choice and not a choice I'm agreeing with, you do you man. You think the ideas' been run off the rails, sorry you do, but in the grand scheme, a lot of people are still very excited for this match, me included so... sorry AEW ruined the angle for you and it's apparently this easy for you to turn on the company, especially with the "Par for the course" talk like you've been waiting for any reason to dog on this. It's not for me. Super excited for this and the chaos that comes with it. You’re excited for a match. I was excited for the longterm direction. The match will be fun, but the existential threat has lost all of its luster. If you are wanting to win the big one, no matter his recent success of the last 6 months, you aren’t betting on Kingston and Bryan Danielson. I understand the fans popped, but the overall arc of the story no longer has stakes for me. The entire thing now feels like a wasted angle to create reason for another goofy gimmick match to satisfy Tony’s desires, not a way of choosing opponents he believes are most likely to inflict real damage on the Bucks for their attack on TK.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 9, 2024 3:47:16 GMT -5
Calling Danielson and Kingston "The two biggest f***ing losers on the roster" when Danielson has beaten Okada and Kingston just came off the run of his career when he won three belts in three promotions and beat Moxley clean as a sheet sure is a choice and not a choice I'm agreeing with, you do you man. You think the ideas' been run off the rails, sorry you do, but in the grand scheme, a lot of people are still very excited for this match, me included so... sorry AEW ruined the angle for you and it's apparently this easy for you to turn on the company, especially with the "Par for the course" talk like you've been waiting for any reason to dog on this. It's not for me. Super excited for this and the chaos that comes with it. You’re excited for a match. I was excited for the longterm direction. The match will be fun, but the existential threat has lost all of its luster. If you are wanting to win the big one, no matter his recent success of the last 6 months, you aren’t betting on Kingston and Bryan Danielson. I understand the fans popped, but the overall arc of the story no longer has stakes for me. The entire thing now feels like a wasted angle to create reason for another goofy gimmick match to satisfy Tony’s desires, not a way of choosing opponents he believes are most likely to inflict real damage on the Bucks for their attack on TK. One of the best tag teams in wrestling, a Triple Crown Champion this year, and one of the best wrestlers on the planet won't inflict any sort of pain or even potentially win a match against The Elite? And the storyline is ruined because of the literal first battle we have between The Elite as a collective against those four guys? Sorry dude, I don't see this at all, again, I'm sorry you're this down on the storyline to call it an immediate flop, but it's not some silly goofy nonsensical storyline to "fulfill Tony's desires", it's fulfilling the next beat in the storyline where The Elite are continuing their rise to prominence, and it won't be the end of it, that's pretty clear. The stakes are also very clear, if The Elite win, it's going to get worse. They sent four of their best to stop them (Not according to you, obviously) and if they can't, it will get worse, and then the story will only escalate from there. That's kind of the point, you don't want the brand new faction on the rise and taking over to lose immediately, but acting like the team they set up to face them in their first big time match isn't a threat and the storyline is dead because of it is your opinion only. And the longterm direction is nowhere near set in stone like you seem to think it is, but if the storyline's over and you're out, nothing that's said here is going to persuade it. But going up to users and going "Just say it, it sucks" isn't cool either because you're frustrated with the direction and want no one else to enjoy it either seemingly, hate it all you want, but it doesn't seem very hated and people seem excited, and they're allowed to be.
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Post by Kalmia on May 9, 2024 4:06:09 GMT -5
I haven't posted on here much recently but in two of my recent posts I said I wanted Kenny to cut a promo from his hospital bed and Eddie Kingston to get involved in this angle and I got both so I'm happy. Could do without FTR involved but that was a given.
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Post by MagPieChart on May 9, 2024 4:33:19 GMT -5
As much as I grumbled at the inclusion of FTR in the match...I get it. Those guys haven't done it for me for a while, but whatev. But given FTR lost the titles specifically because Jack Perry interfered.... Danielson is just coming off earning all the snowflakes and still has Okada beef... And Eddie....well...dude has had beef with The Bucks and has done pretty frightening stuff like turn Daniel Garcia into blood spatter and almost set a dude on fire... As the opening salvo in what's probably going to be the big summer angle?
Who else do you even get?
Mox would make the most sense, but he's IWGP champion. Ospreay is dealing with a feud that's the next chapter which doesn't revolve around the amount of stars he can earn in a match and I thank heaven for that.
Darby's injured. MJF is injured.
Now, I'd be gung-ho for including women in this too because...you mean to tell me you couldn't have Mercedes be in The Elite? ....but they've fully recovered from trying to do this Outcasts stuff and I don't know if they should try to take another swing at it....
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Post by CeilingFan on May 9, 2024 4:36:28 GMT -5
As much as I grumbled at the inclusion of FTR in the match...I get it. Those guys haven't done it for me for a while, but whatev. But given FTR lost the titles specifically because Jack Perry interfered.... Danielson is just coming off earning all the snowflakes and still has Okada beef... And Eddie....well...dude has had beef with The Bucks and has done pretty frightening stuff like turn Daniel Garcia into blood spatter and almost set a dude on fire... As the opening salvo in what's probably going to be the big summer angle?
Who else do you even get?
Mox would make the most sense, but he's IWGP champion. Ospreay is dealing with a feud that's the next chapter which doesn't revolve around the amount of stars he can earn in a match and I thank heaven for that.
Darby's injured. MJF is injured.
Now, I'd be gung-ho for including women in this too because...you mean to tell me you couldn't have Mercedes be in The Elite? ....but they've fully recovered from trying to do this Outcasts stuff and I don't know if they should try to take another swing at it....
I predict that Mone will join the Elite after Double Or Nothing.
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Post by daaave on May 9, 2024 4:38:17 GMT -5
Yeah this is fine really. I'm thinking this is the first attempt to take down the Elite and it fails. Then some new team does the job later on. Swerve and 3 others
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on May 9, 2024 4:42:50 GMT -5
Calling Danielson and Kingston "The two biggest f***ing losers on the roster" when Danielson has beaten Okada and Kingston just came off the run of his career when he won three belts in three promotions and beat Moxley clean as a sheet sure is a choice and not a choice I'm agreeing with, you do you man. You think the ideas' been run off the rails, sorry you do, but in the grand scheme, a lot of people are still very excited for this match, me included so... sorry AEW ruined the angle for you and it's apparently this easy for you to turn on the company, especially with the "Par for the course" talk like you've been waiting for any reason to dog on this. It's not for me. Super excited for this and the chaos that comes with it. You’re excited for a match. I was excited for the longterm direction. The match will be fun, but the existential threat has lost all of its luster. If you are wanting to win the big one, no matter his recent success of the last 6 months, you aren’t betting on Kingston and Bryan Danielson. I understand the fans popped, but the overall arc of the story no longer has stakes for me. The entire thing now feels like a wasted angle to create reason for another goofy gimmick match to satisfy Tony’s desires, not a way of choosing opponents he believes are most likely to inflict real damage on the Bucks for their attack on TK. What if the longterm direction is having this first team lose, building The Elite as a threat from there because they've taken down the guys set to oppose them, and with them down, it's up to the other people they've been antagonizing to build up a resistance? If you're looking into the long term, it seems very short sighted to think the story has no further purpose and that the be-all end-all of what's happening here is Danielson and Kingston. The only reason you run up an allstar opposition team on week three of the storyline is when you're setting those guys up to eat shit and make the real heroes look more victorious for it.
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Post by bdon on May 9, 2024 5:21:14 GMT -5
You’re excited for a match. I was excited for the longterm direction. The match will be fun, but the existential threat has lost all of its luster. If you are wanting to win the big one, no matter his recent success of the last 6 months, you aren’t betting on Kingston and Bryan Danielson. I understand the fans popped, but the overall arc of the story no longer has stakes for me. The entire thing now feels like a wasted angle to create reason for another goofy gimmick match to satisfy Tony’s desires, not a way of choosing opponents he believes are most likely to inflict real damage on the Bucks for their attack on TK. What if the longterm direction is having this first team lose, building The Elite as a threat from there because they've taken down the guys set to oppose them, and with them down, it's up to the other people they've been antagonizing to build up a resistance? If you're looking into the long term, it seems very short sighted to think the story has no further purpose and that the be-all end-all of what's happening here is Danielson and Kingston. The only reason you run up an allstar opposition team on week three of the storyline is when you're setting those guys up to eat shit and make the real heroes look more victorious for it. It’s stupid, because Tony just picked 2 guys well known for losing. It’s like putting your life-savings on the Buffalo Bills in a SuperBowl. Why wouldn’t Tony at least hire ONE f***ing guy that tends to always get the job done? It screams “I had nothing up my sleeve, so this is what I am going with to do another Anarchy in the Arena match”. As many talented people on the roster, and they go with Eddie and Bryan. Throw Mox and Eddie into the mix, and you can use Mox’s defeat as more proof that the New Elite are a force to be reckoned with. Bryan has not done shit with Okada in months, but “hey, let’s fire this back up for reasons. It smells of the lame Elite Reunion last year. Things are hot with Elite finally standing next to Page to fend off the BCC. What was a great story quickly devolves in garbage just for TK to do Blood and Guts. No real story emerges from it.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on May 9, 2024 5:23:24 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm sure the only real reason for the current lineup is for them to be some big names to lose to the new group to give them a big initial win, and seems weird for that to be kind of a breaking point on the story. Like, I really can't claim to have even a passing interest in any of this AEW civil war shit, but Kingston being in the match isn't really a reason why.
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Post by bdon on May 9, 2024 5:25:58 GMT -5
You’re excited for a match. I was excited for the longterm direction. The match will be fun, but the existential threat has lost all of its luster. If you are wanting to win the big one, no matter his recent success of the last 6 months, you aren’t betting on Kingston and Bryan Danielson. I understand the fans popped, but the overall arc of the story no longer has stakes for me. The entire thing now feels like a wasted angle to create reason for another goofy gimmick match to satisfy Tony’s desires, not a way of choosing opponents he believes are most likely to inflict real damage on the Bucks for their attack on TK. What if the longterm direction is having this first team lose, building The Elite as a threat from there because they've taken down the guys set to oppose them, and with them down, it's up to the other people they've been antagonizing to build up a resistance? If you're looking into the long term, it seems very short sighted to think the story has no further purpose and that the be-all end-all of what's happening here is Danielson and Kingston. The only reason you run up an allstar opposition team on week three of the storyline is when you're setting those guys up to eat shit and make the real heroes look more victorious for it. Why not have an All-Star or two that are known winners take an L here? This is akin to WCW sending Steiners, Mongo McMichael, and Steamboat to face the NWO. Where is Page? Where is Mox? Where is anyone else? Apparently mf’ers in the locker room really don’t like Kenny and Tony.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 9, 2024 5:38:06 GMT -5
What if the longterm direction is having this first team lose, building The Elite as a threat from there because they've taken down the guys set to oppose them, and with them down, it's up to the other people they've been antagonizing to build up a resistance? If you're looking into the long term, it seems very short sighted to think the story has no further purpose and that the be-all end-all of what's happening here is Danielson and Kingston. The only reason you run up an allstar opposition team on week three of the storyline is when you're setting those guys up to eat shit and make the real heroes look more victorious for it. Why not have an All-Star or two that are known winners take an L here? This is akin to WCW sending Steiners, Mongo McMichael, and Steamboat to face the NWO. Where is Page? Where is Mox? Where is anyone else? Apparently mf’ers in the locker room really don’t like Kenny and Tony. EDDIE KINGSTON IS A FORMER TRIPLE CROWN He beat Danielson, Mox, and a slew of others to get that belt, and Danielson to retain it as well, he beat Claudio to get the ROH Belt, and KENTA to get the STRONG Title. He was on the tear of his f***ing career until losing to Okada, one of the best on the planet, literally LAST MONTH. I don't get this constant narrative that Eddie Kingston especially is some loser to you, it sincerely just comes off that you hate the dude as a wrestler and are choosing to ignore the fact this has been brought up multiple times to prove he in fact has beaten that stigma long ago. Hangman was kayfabe suspended and still is, Moxley is in Japan, and comparing Bryan Danielson and Eddie Kingston to Jim Duggan and Mongo McMicheal wrestling wise is insane hyperbole at this point, god bless his soul. Nothing's gonna change your mind on this as you have clearly gone all in on detesting everything about it, but yeah, I don't know what to say at this point, a lot of the stuff you're saying isn't even correlating to what's actually happening.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on May 9, 2024 5:43:32 GMT -5
What if the longterm direction is having this first team lose, building The Elite as a threat from there because they've taken down the guys set to oppose them, and with them down, it's up to the other people they've been antagonizing to build up a resistance? If you're looking into the long term, it seems very short sighted to think the story has no further purpose and that the be-all end-all of what's happening here is Danielson and Kingston. The only reason you run up an allstar opposition team on week three of the storyline is when you're setting those guys up to eat shit and make the real heroes look more victorious for it. Why not have an All-Star or two that are known winners take an L here? This is akin to WCW sending Steiners, Mongo McMichael, and Steamboat to face the NWO. Where is Page? Where is Mox? Where is anyone else? Apparently mf’ers in the locker room really don’t like Kenny and Tony. Having Moxley lose at DON when he's IWGP champ and his Forbidden Door match next month is likely to be a pretty huge-built deal because of that seems like an exceptionally bad idea. Danielson and Eddie are both big deals with constant TV time and their own ample share of wins, they're in this spot because they're feasible main event faces who aren't in anything bigger right now and can be used to build up The Elite. It's not that complicated and they're blatantly not the C squad you're making them out to be.
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Post by CeilingFan on May 9, 2024 6:23:17 GMT -5
TEAM AEW.....ASSEMBLE!
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