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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Jun 9, 2007 0:32:44 GMT -5
this has probably been discussed to death, but goddamn I hate the new ending of Return of the Jedi! Everything great about it has been ruined. Let's go step by step.
1) The ewok song is far far better than the Zamfir, new age crap it was replaced with.
2) The other places celebrating. didn't Lando tell everyone to evacuate the Cloud City in "Empire"? and why would a "wretched hive of scum and villany" like Mos Eisley care about the fall of the Empire? Coruscant and Naboo, just looked way out of place, and there just had to be a Gungan yelling "weesa Free!' didn't there! George, you suck!
3) Hayden f***ing Christensen. Wow. Seriously. WTF? The original father-son moment WAS my favorite movie ending of all time. Anakin smiling proudly at his son who redeemed him. Now we get 20 year old Anakin leering at his son like he wants to kill him. I guess turning to the dark side keeps your ghost eternally young. And while George was photoshopping Hayden's head on Sebastain Shaw's body (highly disrespectful since Shaw's been dead for two decades, IMO.) he should have digitally given Mark Hamill a "who the hell is that guy?" look on his face.
If you ever want to know how to wreck a perfectly good movie ending here are three simple steps. I challenge anyone to make a convincing argument that any of these "improves" anything in any way.
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Post by rra on Jun 9, 2007 0:35:49 GMT -5
Umm, why is it that SW fans hate the least problematic stuff, and always forget the biggest problems?
You know.........like Ewoks. JEDI was screwed right from the very beginning.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Jun 9, 2007 0:39:27 GMT -5
Umm, why is it that SW fans hate the least problematic stuff, and always forget the biggest problems? You know.........like Ewoks. JEDI was screwed right from the very beginning. Nah, the Ewoks don't bother me that much, purely for nostalgic reasons. (Hey I was 6 when Jedi came out!)
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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on Jun 9, 2007 0:42:48 GMT -5
Umm, why is it that SW fans hate the least problematic stuff, and always forget the biggest problems? You know.........like Ewoks. JEDI was screwed right from the very beginning. For more than one reason too, no less!
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Post by THE Dinobot on Jun 9, 2007 0:51:39 GMT -5
Umm, why is it that SW fans hate the least problematic stuff, and always forget the biggest problems? You know.........like Ewoks. JEDI was screwed right from the very beginning. The Ewoks WEREN'T a problem. The Rebellion would have totally failed without 'em.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Jun 9, 2007 0:58:35 GMT -5
i think we all know what really needs to be discussed about Return of the Jedi...where there innocent independent contractors killed when the Rebellion blew up the Death Star?
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Jun 9, 2007 1:06:28 GMT -5
i think we all know what really needs to be discussed about Return of the Jedi...where there innocent independent contractors killed when the Rebellion blew up the Death Star? Any independent contractors working on that Death Star knew what they were getting themselves into.
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Post by jfbop37 on Jun 9, 2007 1:12:12 GMT -5
i think we all know what really needs to be discussed about Return of the Jedi...where there innocent independent contractors killed when the Rebellion blew up the Death Star? Any independent contractors working on that Death Star knew what they were getting themselves into. A roofer listens to this... (taps his heart) not his wallet.
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Post by Jay Peas 42 on Jun 9, 2007 1:17:16 GMT -5
1. The original music was dated, and was better suited to Sesame Street.
2. Cloud City could have been repopulated. That gas is very useful, and it's not like they showed the action on Hoth. It had no further use to Vader. Tatoonie is in the Outer Rim, they hate the Empire. Naboo was a nice surprise, okay, it was a major planet in the saga. And that was the very first glimpse of Imperial City outside the novels, so it was really cool in 1997.
3. Other than for continuities sake, I can't defend that one. Even the New Emperor looks better. And keep in mind the old emperor was just an old woman with Chimp eyes.
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Post by PRIME on Jun 9, 2007 1:17:49 GMT -5
I liked the ending. Besides, why would Vader look like an old man when he never was shown to be one. I doubt everybody on Tantoinne weas evil. Most probly weren't. and The Empire probly reopened the Cloud City with new workers.
On a side note. Star wars fans express hate towards the man that created the thing they love. That's stupid.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Jun 9, 2007 1:22:40 GMT -5
Any independent contractors working on that Death Star knew what they were getting themselves into. A roofer listens to this... (taps his heart) not his wallet. yet what kind of "friend" can a roofer be if he knows a job is dangerous and pawns it off on his buddy (who is later killed while doing said job)? i'm just sayin...
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Post by jfbop37 on Jun 9, 2007 1:28:32 GMT -5
one that doesn't die?
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Post by Stu on Jun 9, 2007 2:41:42 GMT -5
Actually, it would have been hilarious in a bad way if they had tauntauns and snow people celebrating on Hoth at the end of Jedi. Hell, throw in Dagobah while you're at it.
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Post by erisi236 on Jun 9, 2007 2:50:10 GMT -5
How bout the fact that 36 seconds after the Death Star II blows up (a secret instillation mind you) the entire Universe is free of the Empire and they're dancing in the streets. I think not.
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Post by Stu on Jun 9, 2007 2:52:40 GMT -5
How bout the fact that 36 seconds after the Death Star II blows up (a secret instillation mind you) the entire Universe is free of the Empire and they're dancing in the streets. I think not. But if you read the novels, the empire still lurks around the galaxy for awhile longer. Yeah, yeah. I know we're supposed to ignore the expanded universe, but blah! (sorry, erisi.)
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Post by Virt McGirt on Jun 9, 2007 2:55:19 GMT -5
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Post by erisi236 on Jun 9, 2007 2:58:16 GMT -5
How bout the fact that 36 seconds after the Death Star II blows up (a secret instillation mind you) the entire Universe is free of the Empire and they're dancing in the streets. I think not. But if you read the novels, the empire still lurks around the galaxy for awhile longer. Yeah, yeah. I know we're supposed to ignore the expanded universe, but blah! (sorry, erisi.) Hell in the books the Empire is still pretty solid 4 years after Jedi! The way they had it in the New Jedi just doesn't work, how did all these Worlds even know what happened? I also refuse to live in a World without Erisi Dlarit.
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Post by Stu on Jun 9, 2007 3:03:55 GMT -5
By the way, let me take the time to remind all that the Robot Chicken Star Wars special airs Sunday on Cartoon Network.
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Post by seanwalsh on Jun 9, 2007 6:21:34 GMT -5
Actually, Star Wars Robot Chicken is on next Sunday - June 17. How bout the fact that 36 seconds after the Death Star II blows up (a secret instillation mind you) the entire Universe is free of the Empire and they're dancing in the streets. I think not. But if you read the novels, the empire still lurks around the galaxy for awhile longer. Yeah, yeah. I know we're supposed to ignore the expanded universe, but blah! Timothy Zahn actually wrote a Mara Jade comic where he mentioned that the celebration on Coruscant was actually orchestrated by a bunch of rabble rousers, and it just spread into insanity until Imperial control was regained. And then he showed those rabble rousers being executed. And that is why Zahn is awesome.
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Post by Mike Strike on Jun 9, 2007 13:14:38 GMT -5
A guy who was Anakin for all of 1 minute is somehow more deserving of being the spirit & final appearence of the character than someone was Anakin for 2 full movies, why?
Besides, seeing Vader become a familar sight carries the "he's finally back to normal" feeling better than some old dude we haven't seen before.
& the galactic celebration is just to bring the overall saga a little closure. Why the f*** are you f***ing compelled to bitch about a simple happy ending?!!!
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