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Post by DiBiase is Good on Jun 19, 2007 20:05:30 GMT -5
So, I just got done watching this.
And it's not very good IMO. A little extra bit of Terence Stamp is always welcome but other than that none of the new scenes really add that much to the film for me. As for going back in time at the end to reverse all the damage, well it was ok in the first film but seems like a bit of a cop-out this time.
But there's one thing I don't understand. Why after Superman has reversed everything does he go back to the Diner and beat up the bully? Technically he beat up a man who hadn't done anything to him.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Jun 19, 2007 20:10:21 GMT -5
That jerk deserved it anyways. Supes is just hum...oh wait.
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Post by Triple Kelly on Jun 19, 2007 20:29:13 GMT -5
Wait a moment, you mean he reverses time in two movies in a row??? Alright, that's a MAJOR cop out. I have no love for Richard Lester's version and have loads more respect for Donner's vision but.....come on!
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Jun 19, 2007 20:32:33 GMT -5
I've always loved Superman 2, it's a rare sequel that improves on the original IMO. But I do think that the Salkind's treated Donner like s***, so I was keen to see his vision of it. Oh btw, the entire Eiffel Tower scene is missing too.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Jun 19, 2007 20:35:43 GMT -5
Superman 2 was the best in that series IMO. The overlong origin (and wasted money on Brando) puts me to sleep.
The fight scene in downtown metropolis is 10 shades of awesome.
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Post by Triple Kelly on Jun 19, 2007 20:39:19 GMT -5
I've always loved Superman 2, it's a rare sequel that improves on the original IMO. But I do think that the Salkind's treated Donner like s***, so I was keen to see his vision of it. Oh btw, the entire Eiffel Tower scene is missing too. I heard that too about the Eiffel Tower thing. And in the scheme of things, Luthor's missle releasing the 3 Kryptonians is just better. At least to me. And Superman talking to his dad directly instead of his mom (no offense to her) fits better. And I blame Lester for how much pain Superman 3 caused me. |
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Jun 19, 2007 20:39:31 GMT -5
There's a lot more Brando in the Donner cut.
Shame.
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Post by Triple Kelly on Jun 19, 2007 20:40:11 GMT -5
The fight scene in downtown metropolis is 10 shades of awesome. Yes, that did rock out loud. And made me really thirsty for a Coke and want to smoke a pack of Marlboro. |
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Post by Triple Kelly on Jun 19, 2007 20:40:40 GMT -5
There's a lot more Brando in the Donner cut. Shame. what's so bad about that? |
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Post by Kash Flagg on Jun 19, 2007 20:40:51 GMT -5
And here I've been smoking coke and drinking marlboros. No wonder people look at me weird.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Jun 19, 2007 20:41:32 GMT -5
There's a lot more Brando in the Donner cut. Shame. what's so bad about that? I think at this point in his career, Brando was just phoning it in for the money. I think his acting was a weak point in the films. |
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jun 19, 2007 20:43:03 GMT -5
I loved the Donner Cut. Turning back time made more sense than the amnesia kiss, he made Zod an even bigger badass by giving him a f***ing machine gun, Lois finding out that Clark was Supes was better in the Donner Cut, and we got to see how he got his powers back. In the Lester version, we didn't get Brando because they didn't want to pay him. So in Lester's version Supes getting his powers back came out of nowhere.
The only thing I didn't like about Donner's version was that he took out the line "General, would you care to step outside?" and replaced it with "Haven't you ever heard of freedom of the press?". Come on Donner, recognize the superior line.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Jun 19, 2007 20:54:14 GMT -5
what's so bad about that? I think at this point in his career, Brando was just phoning it in for the money. I think his acting was a weak point in the films. I agree 100% and I still get annoyed that he got top billing in the first film. I can understand billing him above Christopher Reeve but not above Gene Hackman. Hackman is the greatest actor of all time dammit!!!! |
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Post by Triple Kelly on Jun 19, 2007 21:06:09 GMT -5
I think at this point in his career, Brando was just phoning it in for the money. I think his acting was a weak point in the films. I agree 100% and I still get annoyed that he got top billing in the first film. I can understand billing him above Christopher Reeve but not above Gene Hackman. Hackman is the greatest actor of all time dammit!!!! After that South Park episode, I now refer to him as Hack-MAN. |
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Jun 19, 2007 22:20:52 GMT -5
So, I just got done watching this. And it's not very good IMO. A little extra bit of Terence Stamp is always welcome but other than that none of the new scenes really add that much to the film for me. As for going back in time at the end to reverse all the damage, well it was ok in the first film but seems like a bit of a cop-out this time. But there's one thing I don't understand. Why after Superman has reversed everything does he go back to the Diner and beat up the bully? Technically he beat up a man who hadn't done anything to him. Because Superman is a dick and they want to remain true to the comic. www.superdickery.com/ |
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Jun 19, 2007 22:27:56 GMT -5
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Post by Dr. Marzvon Zombie M.D. on Jun 19, 2007 22:28:34 GMT -5
I loved this version much better actually, specially with lois shooting clark that was much better then him tripping into the fire place in the room.
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Post by Triple Kelly on Jun 19, 2007 22:31:30 GMT -5
Superdickery is a GREAT site. I like Leadbox Lois. And Foxy Cleopatra Lois. ;D
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Post by paragon on Jun 19, 2007 22:39:13 GMT -5
So, I just got done watching this. And it's not very good IMO. A little extra bit of Terence Stamp is always welcome but other than that none of the new scenes really add that much to the film for me. As for going back in time at the end to reverse all the damage, well it was ok in the first film but seems like a bit of a cop-out this time. But there's one thing I don't understand. Why after Superman has reversed everything does he go back to the Diner and beat up the bully? Technically he beat up a man who hadn't done anything to him. Because Superman is a dick and they want to remain true to the comic. www.superdickery.com/Thanks. I didn't want to be the one to bring it up this time.  |
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Post by T.J. "the Crippler" Stevens on Jun 19, 2007 22:40:40 GMT -5
I liked the Donner cut. Mostly because of the Lois/Superman scenes. I thought they were way better. When they said good-bye outside the Fortress of Solitude, I was a little choked up. The movie seems alot more personal than the Lester version. In the same way the Spider-Man movies have that personal touch now. I like the Lester cut, but it just doesn't have that. Donner's cut was ahead of its time.
As for Superman turning the world back again, it needs to be seen in context. That Superman 2 ending was filmed before the Superman: The Movie ending was. It was meant to be discarded after they used that idea to end the first movie instead. Then they could write another ending for 2 and film it when shooting began again. But they ended up not working on 2. Lester wrote his own ending.
Now it's 2006 and the demand for a Donner cut is huge. They could write a new ending, but how are they going to film it? Chris Reeve is dead. Margot Kidder looks like she's 80. Mark McClure looks like he's Jimmy Olsen's grandfather. So they just used the only ending available that they'd already filmed. It's not really fair to call it a cop out. They couldn't go back in time and film the ending they wanted. This was the only thing they could do. I just view the movie as its own entity. Lester's cut is the true chronological story in the cannon. Donner's cut is just a neat thing to have.
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