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Post by rra on Dec 27, 2007 12:28:51 GMT -5
My statement was supposed to be a question, an open challenge this of Pro Wrestling, for someone to come up to the plate and answer my question, to knock my ass down, and take the title strap. BTW, you ever heard of ? I use it in my reviews, since I rationalize that people don't read non-broken paragraphs longer than 6-7 lines. They tend to actually read ALL of the words I put down. Movies aren't that serious a subject matter to most people, though. It may be important to you to feel right in your decision to dislike the movie, but I'm willing to bet that the masses are just interested in either liking it or disliking it. It's like religion; do you go to your church to worship your god(s) or to have people confront you on why you like your god(s)? Like I've said before, there are threads here made for debating; this doesn't seem like one of them. And which were you interested in, a challenge or a non-confrontational debate? A challenge implies a confrontation of some kind, but you've already stated that you just wanted a non-confrontational debate. And if your challenge is specifically to see reasons other than "it was fun", you could have easily achieved the same result by asking for reasons and then asking for more reasons if the only answer you get is "it was fun". Yeah, I've heard of that, but I tend to not use it, particularly when my paragraphs aren't overly long by my standards. Whether I use a lot of spaces or not, the number of words I use will be the same, so I don't see a point in doing so since the same amount of reading will be involved. Never heard of a "friendly challenge"? Besides, a better question.....what exactly is your point? I simply didn't like the movie. You did. What more is there to talk about really?
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Dec 27, 2007 12:54:13 GMT -5
Movies aren't that serious a subject matter to most people, though. It may be important to you to feel right in your decision to dislike the movie, but I'm willing to bet that the masses are just interested in either liking it or disliking it. It's like religion; do you go to your church to worship your god(s) or to have people confront you on why you like your god(s)? Like I've said before, there are threads here made for debating; this doesn't seem like one of them. And which were you interested in, a challenge or a non-confrontational debate? A challenge implies a confrontation of some kind, but you've already stated that you just wanted a non-confrontational debate. And if your challenge is specifically to see reasons other than "it was fun", you could have easily achieved the same result by asking for reasons and then asking for more reasons if the only answer you get is "it was fun". Yeah, I've heard of that, but I tend to not use it, particularly when my paragraphs aren't overly long by my standards. Whether I use a lot of spaces or not, the number of words I use will be the same, so I don't see a point in doing so since the same amount of reading will be involved. Never heard of a "friendly challenge"? Besides, a better question.....what exactly is your point? I simply didn't like the movie. You did. What more is there to talk about really? Making derisive comments about the reasoning of people you don't know isn't all that friendly. And that's exactly my point. Some people like it, some don't. Why go into a thread created to show admiration for a movie just to deride the most popular reason for liking the film? Keep in mind, at no point in this have I tried to change your view on Transformers being a bad movie; I'm simply defending the idea that people don't have to come up with great and insightful reasons for why they like something just to have their position respected and accepted. And if there's nothing more to talk about beyond liking the film or disliking it, why did you issue your challenge in the first place?
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Post by rra on Dec 27, 2007 12:56:43 GMT -5
Never heard of a "friendly challenge"? Besides, a better question.....what exactly is your point? I simply didn't like the movie. You did. What more is there to talk about really? Making derisive comments about the reasoning of people you don't know isn't all that friendly. And that's exactly my point. Some people like it, some don't. Why go into a thread created to show admiration for a movie just to deride the most popular reason for liking the film? Keep in mind, at no point in this have I tried to change your view on Transformers being a bad movie; I'm simply defending the idea that people don't have to come up with great and insightful reasons for why they like something just to have their position respected and accepted. And if there's nothing more to talk about beyond liking the film or disliking it, why did you issue your challenge in the first place? Who came first, the chicken or the egg?
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Dec 27, 2007 13:10:36 GMT -5
Making derisive comments about the reasoning of people you don't know isn't all that friendly. And that's exactly my point. Some people like it, some don't. Why go into a thread created to show admiration for a movie just to deride the most popular reason for liking the film? Keep in mind, at no point in this have I tried to change your view on Transformers being a bad movie; I'm simply defending the idea that people don't have to come up with great and insightful reasons for why they like something just to have their position respected and accepted. And if there's nothing more to talk about beyond liking the film or disliking it, why did you issue your challenge in the first place? Who came first, the chicken or the egg? I haven't the slightest clue in me noggin', and that is completely immaterial to this discussion. And based upon that, I'm going to consider this matter concluded.
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Post by rra on Dec 27, 2007 13:19:22 GMT -5
Who came first, the chicken or the egg? I haven't the slightest clue in me noggin', and that is completely immaterial to this discussion. And based upon that, I'm going to consider this matter concluded. It is absolutely in material with the discussion. What came first, the fact that I initially responded, perhaps in a prickish way, asking why fans of the TF movie liked it beyond the "It's fun" comments............or that you had a problem with me, and saying basically "you should be nicer RRA."? You should try reading the postings of Michael Bay = #1. I disagree with him on TF and BAD BOYS 2, since I both movies are terrible, but he counter-points me and actually makes points of what he liked/didn't like about TF. He thinks the 150-minute running time of BB2 is justified, I don't, but he at least explains why he thinks it is. That's why he's #1.
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Dec 27, 2007 13:40:26 GMT -5
I haven't the slightest clue in me noggin', and that is completely immaterial to this discussion. And based upon that, I'm going to consider this matter concluded. It is absolutely in material with the discussion. What came first, the fact that I initially responded, perhaps in a prickish way, asking why fans of the TF movie liked it beyond the "It's fun" comments............or that you had a problem with me, and saying basically "you should be nicer RRA."? You should try reading the postings of Michael Bay = #1. I disagree with him on TF and BAD BOYS 2, since I both movies are terrible, but he counter-points me and actually makes points of what he liked/didn't like about TF. He thinks the 150-minute running time of BB2 is justified, I don't, but he at least explains why he thinks it is. That's why he's #1. There is no question about what came first here: your derision for the reasoning of others came first. As such, to ask what came first with a chicken or the egg analogy is a waste of time. That's like saying what came first, the punch to the arm or the bruise resulting from that punch? If a punch had not been thrown, a bruise would not have formed. If you had not posted your prickish comment or if you had posted it in a more respectful manner in regards to those who liked the film, the responses you would have recieved would have been more friendly. And I'm not trying to give reasons for why I like the film. That's not the point. The point is, "it was fun" is a perfectly acceptable reason for liking a film, and demeaning it in a thread created to show admiration for the movie is a pompous move. If you had asked "what are your reasons for likeing the film" I'd have answered with my reasons, as would have others. But check your original post again; rather than asking for reasons, you decided to make a derisive comment on reasons that have been given. That seems to me like you were less concerned with getting any constructive responses and more like you just wanted to help solidify your feelings of superiority in regards to the issue at hand, which as I've stated, comes off as pompous and unnecessary when if all you wanted was some additional reasons you could have posed your question in a much more respectful and acceptable manner.
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Post by rra on Dec 27, 2007 13:51:00 GMT -5
It is absolutely in material with the discussion. What came first, the fact that I initially responded, perhaps in a prickish way, asking why fans of the TF movie liked it beyond the "It's fun" comments............or that you had a problem with me, and saying basically "you should be nicer RRA."? You should try reading the postings of Michael Bay = #1. I disagree with him on TF and BAD BOYS 2, since I both movies are terrible, but he counter-points me and actually makes points of what he liked/didn't like about TF. He thinks the 150-minute running time of BB2 is justified, I don't, but he at least explains why he thinks it is. That's why he's #1. There is no question about what came first here: your derision for the reasoning of others came first. As such, to ask what came first with a chicken or the egg analogy is a waste of time. That's like saying what came first, the punch to the arm or the bruise resulting from that punch? If a punch had not been thrown, a bruise would not have formed. If you had not posted your prickish comment or if you had posted it in a more respectful manner in regards to those who liked the film, the responses you would have recieved would have been more friendly. And I'm not trying to give reasons for why I like the film. That's not the point. The point is, "it was fun" is a perfectly acceptable reason for liking a film, and demeaning it in a thread created to show admiration for the movie is a pompous move. If you had asked "what are your reasons for likeing the film" I'd have answered with my reasons, as would have others. But check your original post again; rather than asking for reasons, you decided to make a derisive comment on reasons that have been given. That seems to me like you were less concerned with getting any constructive responses and more like you just wanted to help solidify your feelings of superiority in regards to the issue at hand, which as I've stated, comes off as pompous and unnecessary when if all you wanted was some additional reasons you could have posed your question in a much more respectful and acceptable manner. If my first posting offended you THAT much, then I apologize, I'm sorry.
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Dec 27, 2007 15:16:21 GMT -5
There is no question about what came first here: your derision for the reasoning of others came first. As such, to ask what came first with a chicken or the egg analogy is a waste of time. That's like saying what came first, the punch to the arm or the bruise resulting from that punch? If a punch had not been thrown, a bruise would not have formed. If you had not posted your prickish comment or if you had posted it in a more respectful manner in regards to those who liked the film, the responses you would have recieved would have been more friendly. And I'm not trying to give reasons for why I like the film. That's not the point. The point is, "it was fun" is a perfectly acceptable reason for liking a film, and demeaning it in a thread created to show admiration for the movie is a pompous move. If you had asked "what are your reasons for likeing the film" I'd have answered with my reasons, as would have others. But check your original post again; rather than asking for reasons, you decided to make a derisive comment on reasons that have been given. That seems to me like you were less concerned with getting any constructive responses and more like you just wanted to help solidify your feelings of superiority in regards to the issue at hand, which as I've stated, comes off as pompous and unnecessary when if all you wanted was some additional reasons you could have posed your question in a much more respectful and acceptable manner. If my first posting offended you THAT much, then I apologize, I'm sorry. It's not that I found your comment particularly offensive, I'm just pointing out that such a comment wasn't necessary, and could have been posted in a way as to get your intended response (ie, additional reasons for liking the movie) without demeaning anyone's opinions.
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Post by Palatial Regalia on Dec 27, 2007 15:26:40 GMT -5
Only redeeming factor was the totally hot love interest, but in all reality it just detracted from the movie as I found her to distract me from the movie plot. Sorta like when I saw, I Know What You Did Last Summer at the theatre, all I could think about was Jennifer Love Hewitt and Sarah Michelle Geller (wtf three word names!), I couldnt even tell you what the plot is about.
Bad Boys, I like the first one alot, one of my favorite hollywood action films, the climax sequence was well done. Second one was eh ok I guess, even though I absolutely love the scene where Martin is rolling on ecstasy (quite accurately too) at the police chief's house.
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Post by tap on Dec 27, 2007 15:32:11 GMT -5
I liked Transformers, at first begrudgingly, because I thought it was going to suck outright, but it didn't. I felt it captured the spirit of the G1 cartoon without following G1 canon like dogma. At first I hated the designs of all the robots, but seeing them in action, they weren't as bad as I thought. I thought they still could have stuck to the original G1 design, because if I'm suspending my disbelief at "car transforms into fighting robot" I don't think I'm gonna get nitpicky at how it does so. True, you could have had a checklist of Bay motifs that crop up in his other films (360 shots, sundown shots, cars crashing into camera) but a) they weren't that distracting and b) sometimes added to the action of the film. Some of the names I winced at, like Devastator being a tank instead of a Constructicon, or I missed the howls of Welker's Megatron, but let go of my fanboyism for a couple of hours and saw it for what it was: a rather entertaining tentpole summer action flick that reintroduces the concept of Transformers to a new generation after their stateside arrival over 20 years ago.
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Post by The Wraith on Dec 27, 2007 15:36:09 GMT -5
Heh...for Christmas, I got some DVD's...including Batman Begins.
Which I thought was odd, since I didn't see it in theaters, nor did I have any intentions of seeing it in the near future. I was like "come on, at least get me the Transformers movie! not this!"
Of course rra will hate me for that, but I'm thinking of giving Batman Begins a shot....
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Post by rra on Dec 27, 2007 17:20:30 GMT -5
Heh...for Christmas, I got some DVD's...including Batman Begins. Which I thought was odd, since I didn't see it in theaters, nor did I have any intentions of seeing it in the near future. I was like "come on, at least get me the Transformers movie! not this!" Of course rra will hate me for that, but I'm thinking of giving Batman Begins a shot.... I say give BATMAN BEGINS a shot. Hell, I'm penning up a review for it.
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Post by tap on Dec 27, 2007 19:23:03 GMT -5
Heh...for Christmas, I got some DVD's...including Batman Begins. Which I thought was odd, since I didn't see it in theaters, nor did I have any intentions of seeing it in the near future. I was like "come on, at least get me the Transformers movie! not this!" Of course rra will hate me for that, but I'm thinking of giving Batman Begins a shot.... I say give BATMAN BEGINS a shot. Hell, I'm penning up a review for it. I posted a bunch of films I think you may like in another thread if you need any other flicks for review.
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Post by THE Dinobot on Dec 27, 2007 19:39:59 GMT -5
I remember when Deus and I had short little arguments about Batman Begins when it was first released. He liked it, I hated it. He was totally right then. It took me a few viewings (more like 20 or more) to respect it. And until May 2, it's going to remain the best comic book adaptations into film ever.
Transformers I've only seen once and a half times, the first time I wasn't so put-off by it, just watched it as if it was something new or whatever. The special defects weren't something groundbreaking and probably won't hold-up years from now, the acting from the lousy humanoids were wretched (except for John Turturro, he rocks), but wasn't a complete waste of time like some movies end up being.
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Dec 27, 2007 20:05:42 GMT -5
I remember when Deus and I had short little arguments about Batman Begins when it was first released. He liked it, I hated it. He was totally right then. It took me a few viewings (more like 20 or more) to respect it. And until May 2, it's going to remain the best comic book adaptations into film ever. Transformers I've only seen once and a half times, the first time I wasn't so put-off by it, just watched it as if it was something new or whatever. The special defects weren't something groundbreaking and probably won't hold-up years from now, the acting from the lousy humanoids were wretched (except for John Turturro, he rocks), but wasn't a complete waste of time like some movies end up being. I have respect for you if you can watch a move that you hated 20 times...wouldn't catch me watching "The Nanny Diares" 20 times...once was bad enough...
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Post by K7 - WC's Crowd Extra on Dec 27, 2007 20:17:51 GMT -5
Heh...for Christmas, I got some DVD's...including Batman Begins. Which I thought was odd, since I didn't see it in theaters, nor did I have any intentions of seeing it in the near future. I was like "come on, at least get me the Transformers movie! not this!" Of course rra will hate me for that, but I'm thinking of giving Batman Begins a shot.... BB is only better in every way
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