Ace Diamond
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Post by Ace Diamond on Dec 28, 2007 18:19:38 GMT -5
I do know that a person who tried to commit a B&E through someone's skylight fell through the skylight and was injured on a butcher block. They then sued the homeowner. Similar circumstances are mentioned in the film Liar, Liar. I thought it was just an urban legend. hey, if people can sue McDonald's for making them fat, then anything is possible
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Post by Johnny on Dec 28, 2007 18:21:36 GMT -5
I think the fired guy should get a promotion.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2007 18:24:04 GMT -5
Here's my question. The article says that the manager was trying to stop the shoplifter before the employees got there. How was he trying to stop him? Because I would think that using force on a shoplifter would be totally acceptable. Also, as somebody else said, what if the guy had a gun? Also, what if the guy had struck the employee first, and the employee acted in self-defense? I agree that employees should not be allowed to put their hands on a customer, but in a case like this, I don't think a rule like that should apply. Also, is a person really a customer if he doesn't pay for his goods?
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Post by Next Level was WRONG on Dec 28, 2007 18:31:52 GMT -5
John Schultz: Bounty Hunter. Coming this season to FOX!
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Post by Mayonnaise on Dec 28, 2007 18:32:33 GMT -5
the whole physical contact thing... what if a customer was choking or something, you'd get fired for assisting them and giving them the Hemmliech move? Yes, at least at my last job there was a zero tolerance policy with this. I worked at a movie theater and its was stressed over everything else, do not try and be a hero under any circumstance. If a person was choking or injured, all we could do was call for the proper help and alert the management on duty. If we were to mess up in anyway trying to help, then we opened the company and ourself up to a lawsuit and other potential trouble. If we were being robbed, we were to comply with all demands within reason and not try to stop the robber. The company is completely in the right here. The rule isn't just for the protection of the customer but, the employee as well. The robber could easily have had a hidden weapon and killed this guy for chasing him down causing even more trouble.
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Post by T.J. "the Crippler" Stevens on Dec 28, 2007 18:35:13 GMT -5
Okay... "I was just stealing groceries from the shop & this guy tackled me!" That'll hold up in court It's stupid. It's sad. It's wrong. But it probably would hold up. If the jerk had been stealing from his house, on his private property, then he'd have every right to tackle him. In public, he doesn't have that right to physically interfere unless he is protecting himself or someone else from physical violence. No matter how much of a jerk someone is being, even if they are doing something illegal, you don't have a right to touch them if they are not putting you in any physichal danger. In the overall scheme of things these laws are just trying to protect against vigilantism. Which, unfortunately, is exactly what this was. We all love Batman, but what he does is illegal.
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Post by chibidiablo on Dec 28, 2007 18:39:03 GMT -5
The worst part of this is the f***ing manager didnt have to tell anyone what had happened when they were outside the store but f***ing sold him down the river. If I was the guy who got fired I'd be doing jail time very soon for beating the f***ing shit out of said manager.
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biafra
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Post by biafra on Dec 28, 2007 19:14:01 GMT -5
I work in a grocery store.
The reason this rule is in place is so
1. Employees won't get stabbed or shot for a carton of cigs or case of beer...
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2. Because before these rules overzeolous management would force employees to put themselves in harms way or face the consequence.
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Dec 28, 2007 19:28:07 GMT -5
Someone shoulda told this to ol' Spiderman. His life woulda been easier if he knew that letting the thief get away was the right thing to do.
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Post by biafra on Dec 28, 2007 19:31:19 GMT -5
Someone shoulda told this to ol' Spiderman. His life woulda been easier if he knew that letting the thief get away was the right thing to do. A guy who worked at a store about 5 minutes from mine got his brains blown out because he tried to stop a shoplifter. f*** the right thing to do..my life is worth more than whatever that person is stealing.
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Post by kittylimits on Dec 28, 2007 19:35:26 GMT -5
I shop at that very store!!!
And I've stolen food from the salad bar before!!!!!
I coulda been that shop lifter!!!
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Dec 28, 2007 19:39:21 GMT -5
I shop at that very store!!! And I've stolen food from the salad bar before!!!!! I coulda been that shop lifter!!! Bad Kitty!
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Post by Joekishi on Dec 28, 2007 19:39:33 GMT -5
yeah if you shoplift from a grocery store you get off scott free
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Post by Nick Loves Dr. Pepper on Dec 28, 2007 19:47:18 GMT -5
Poor innocent shoplifter SARCASM WARNING
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Post by T.J. "the Crippler" Stevens on Dec 28, 2007 19:48:02 GMT -5
My friend used to work at American Eagle, and he saw people shoplifting clothes every day. He knew all their tricks and everything, but he was told he couldn't do anything to stop them. All he could do was call mall security. He said they never cared enough to get there in time.
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Post by Jason Todd Grisham on Dec 28, 2007 20:04:41 GMT -5
In this case, taking the law into your own hands could become a liability, especially if you injure him on company property (as the shoplifter could sue the company for thousands, if not millions). That's the thing, he WASN'T on company property when he grabbed the guy. So he wasn't on company property, he wasn't on company time.
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Post by mrwednesdaynight on Dec 28, 2007 20:21:58 GMT -5
I used to work at a conveinence store, and yeah, its the same thing. You can't go after someone stealing something. We had people steal at least six cases of beer from me on my shift every night. Usually the same people doing it too. I'd call the cops, they wouldnt do anything about it. It got to the point where id call the cops and they wouldnt even bother giving me a report number. they were just like 'yeah, uh huh, thats nice. sounds like a personal problem.' some of these people were 15 year old kids. i had to laugh when i heard that teen drinking in the area was on the rise and they wanted to crack down on stores selling beer to kids. i was just like, they arent buying the beer, they dont have to! i got so sick of it but there wasnt much i could do. im way too good of a person to just walk into places and take whatever i want but when i hear stories like this or experienced what i did at the conveinence store, i wonder why anyone bothers to pay for stuff. i mean, same logic as illegal music downloads, why pay for food you can get for free. in regards to this story, i love how most laws dont matter anymore in this country. its just a good thing that guy wasnt smoking in that grocery store. im sure the employee could have beaten the guy within an inch of his life and got the cities metal of honor for preventing attempted murder. its just a sick world moving closer to anarchy.
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Dec 28, 2007 20:39:52 GMT -5
Let me see:
A) He wasn't clocked in (clocked out for break) B) He wasn't on store property and C) The theif techinically isn't even a customer
This is dumb. What's the manager even yelling for help for if he won't let anyone actually help him?
By their theory of "It doesn't matter if you're on duty or not because you work at the store" you could be fired if you stopped a guy from robbing your house and he also happened to be in that store earlier in the day.
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Dec 28, 2007 20:49:14 GMT -5
the whole physical contact thing... what if a customer was choking or something, you'd get fired for assisting them and giving them the Hemmliech move? Yes, at least at my last job there was a zero tolerance policy with this. I worked at a movie theater and its was stressed over everything else, do not try and be a hero under any circumstance. If a person was choking or injured, all we could do was call for the proper help and alert the management on duty. If we were to mess up in anyway trying to help, then we opened the company and ourself up to a lawsuit and other potential trouble. If we were being robbed, we were to comply with all demands within reason and not try to stop the robber. The company is completely in the right here. The rule isn't just for the protection of the customer but, the employee as well. The robber could easily have had a hidden weapon and killed this guy for chasing him down causing even more trouble. If I was choking in a place like a movie theater, and almost died because of it, and the employees did nothing but STARE at me while it happened and didn't try to help, THAT'S when I'd sue them.
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Ace Diamond
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Post by Ace Diamond on Dec 28, 2007 20:57:04 GMT -5
Yes, at least at my last job there was a zero tolerance policy with this. I worked at a movie theater and its was stressed over everything else, do not try and be a hero under any circumstance. If a person was choking or injured, all we could do was call for the proper help and alert the management on duty. If we were to mess up in anyway trying to help, then we opened the company and ourself up to a lawsuit and other potential trouble. If we were being robbed, we were to comply with all demands within reason and not try to stop the robber. The company is completely in the right here. The rule isn't just for the protection of the customer but, the employee as well. The robber could easily have had a hidden weapon and killed this guy for chasing him down causing even more trouble. If I was choking in a place like a movie theater, and almost died because of it, and the employees did nothing but STARE at me while it happened and didn't try to help, THAT'S when I'd sue them. I agree.
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