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Post by George Harrison on Jan 8, 2007 13:23:39 GMT -5
How stupid, I think the VKM Vs VKM thing is a little weak anyway, hardly anyone makes the connection to Vince when they first see the initials, I just find it to be pretty senseless.
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Post by vinniemac on Jan 8, 2007 13:28:36 GMT -5
Well, since HHH was injured last night they got a damn good reason to use "VOODOO" with more emphasis now... Yeah, if you want to look even more bush-league and tastless, which I guess the Very Kurmudgeon-y Men would do. When a company insults a man that literally gave his blood, sweat & tears to them during their peak - to smear him and then insult his family after he leaves (for another company with a reduced work schedule) - on television and in their magazines - like WWE did Kurt Angle, and for what they did to Eddie Guerrero by cheapening his death in nearly two years of tasteless booking: I hope VKM does this, and I hope they put the pedal to the metal and never let up. WWE shouldn't go throwing stones in glass houses. I hope VKM keep it up, now. Preferably with the Ventrilloquist dummy, but keep it up, none the less and capitalize on this hilarious turn of events.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Jan 8, 2007 13:31:51 GMT -5
Yeah, if you want to look even more bush-league and tastless, which I guess the Very Kurmudgeon-y Men would do. When a company insults a man that literally gave his blood, sweat & tears to them during their peak - to smear him and then insult his family after he leaves (for another company with a reduced work schedule) - on television and in their magazines - like WWE did Kurt Angle, and for what they did to Eddie Guerrero by cheapening his death in nearly two years of tasteless booking: I hope VKM does this, and I hope they put the pedal to the metal and never let up. WWE shouldn't go throwing stones in glass houses. I hope VKM keep it up, now. Preferably with the Ventrilloquist dummy, but keep it up, none the less and capitalize on this hilarious turn of events. I don't know which is more inane, what you just said or the fact that Dixie Carter was expecting a DX vs. Voodoo Kin match to come out of this. Face it, as long as TNA keeps up with this lame angle, they're never going to be able to be looked at seriously. It's not funny, it's stupid, and it's only going to hurt TNA in the long run, if you can't see that, well then I feel bad for you.
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Post by George Harrison on Jan 8, 2007 13:43:57 GMT -5
& such a farce, its the wrestlers taking part. They both lack so much when compared to HBK & HHH, individually & together. Wrestling, & otherwise. Lame jokes as Michael kissmybottom or whatever the hell, its only going to make them look retarded in the long run.
If DX dont reply, where will this go? As long as the WWE doesnt acknowlege TNA VKM, the longer it runs the more tired people will become of it. Triple H & Michaels have nothing to gain from this, they'll stay well clear of it & giggle to themselves. Nothing VKM can actually say, or have said already, will get them any merit apart from the 12 year old fans in the Impact zone after they realised who they were talking about. Vince wont even bother to sue if it gets out of hand as it'll just make the former outlaws look like fools. No-one can gain anything from this, TNA has a lot going for it, this is seriously not one of them, "Lets call out WWE, show how tough we are." You cant fathom into words if you tried how ridiculous this is, BG & Kip or whatever they're called need to just go back to wrestling TNA, stay away from something they cant affect with bad blood.
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Post by vinniemac on Jan 8, 2007 14:00:44 GMT -5
I don't know which is more inane, what you just said or the fact that Dixie Carter was expecting a DX vs. Voodoo Kin match to come out of this. I believe someone thinking Dixie Carter woud actually think something could happen out of this - when I'm pretty certain she knew it woudln't, which made it easier to offer up a million dollars - would be inane.By smarks? I don't think so. TNA has its loyal audience htat gurantees about a 1.0, give or take a point. Casual fans? I don't think so. Its ratings are growing in the U. S., and TNA is over like grover in South Korea, Hong Kong, India, and parts of Europe. Not bad, for a company that is still growing in recognition. Now, if you want to argue that this angle won't amount to much: I'd agree. Not only because it's uneventful, but because it's low on the mid-card at that. TNA aren't actually spending a lot of money on this, and worst cast scenario: nothign comes of it. Best case: they pick up a few fans. Is it a waste of time? Sure. Is it hurting TNA? No way. I CAN see most of that, but it won't hurt them. Statistically - it's reported damage that people playing Chicken Little and claiming that some kind of "Sky," is, "falling" is negligable. TNA grows, slowly. Not because of VKM, but in spite of them. However, that's not the argument. the argument is about it hurting the company, and it isn't. Now, if you can't see that reality, then I feel bad for you, since you're reading way too much into a lower-mid card bit of throwaway booking that has no baring on TNA's draw (positive or negative), and you actually thought Dixie Carter was ready to throw away money (she already knew WWE wouldn't jump on in the first place); I think you got kayfabe'd.The definition of "Busch League" is having the family that runs the company throw themselves into top storylines, force men to kiss their ass, and for profiting off the blood, sweat and tears and ultimate death of one of their best workers in piss-poor angles that they milk for what will eventually become 2 years, going so far as to bring the deceased's wife into the angle rather than being noble and giving her money for her loss and simply moving on. "Busch League" is firing guys while they're injured (read: Test, Spike Dudley) because of work they did for your company, or publically humiliating men who are suffering from illness ebfore firing them (J. R.), and for trying to smear and destroy the career of a man that helped them draw millions of dollars, MONTHS after he left them, just because he wouldn't do as Eddie Guerrero did and work himself to death and leave his young children fatherless. That's Busch Leage. In fact, some of the sleaziest indy promoters wouldn't stoop as low as to do ome of those things. VKM's pointless crap > WWE's "ethics" (and I use that term loosely)
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Post by Ace Diamond on Jan 8, 2007 14:02:45 GMT -5
I loved how you called a WON report kayfabe. We already found out a month ago she initially expected an actual match out of this, in spite of that, this continues.
And again, the pointless crap will only hold down TNA in the ratings, will only damage the product, especially if they get out of the iMPACT Zone.
And I love how you wrote me off as a person who thinks the WWE can do no wrong, I know they do plenty wrong, what I'm saying is at least they're not taking obtuse and mentally deficient shots at competition they aren't even able to compete with, like TNA does.
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Post by vinniemac on Jan 8, 2007 14:12:28 GMT -5
I loved how you called a WON report kayfabe. No, I called you actually believing she'd think it would happen: being kayfabe'd. And, you were. She probably would ahve paid up, if anyone actually jumped for the dough, but any business would know that that wouldn't happen, so it was easy to plan to stick to somethign that wouldn't get cashed in. No "we" didn't. In fact, I dont recall any of the big three dirtsheets saying Carter actually believed it would happen. Simply that IF it did happen, she'd stick with the promise. In fact, that IS what she said. Like your claiming VKM is "hurting" TNA (the numbers don't lie: VKM aren't having an effect, poitive or NEGATIVE) like you claim. That's why they were up this week? When they dropepd two weeks ago it was only to a .9 - which is the average rating, and still a high rating for SPIKE - AND it was a holiday. Did VKM hru them then? NO. PPV buy rates are up. VKM hurt PPV buys? TNA are getting press via Angle and theri MLB tie-ins. VKM hurt their publicity? VKM and the program is nothing. It may suck, artistically, but it is neither fish nor fowl for TNA. It does not harm them nor does it hurt them. The cold hard facts (ratings and buyrates and maisntream recognition) contradict your unrealistic assertions that VKM is hurting anyone. Does it hurt VKM? No. Nobody took them seriously to begin with. That's why B. G. James threatens to leave TNA on a weekly basis, only to come back. Did you forget this, and other facts that have been discussed in the WON?
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Post by Ace Diamond on Jan 8, 2007 14:14:38 GMT -5
BG threatened to leave because they were going to stop paying for his hotels. Don't try and skew things. Seriously, you want the last word in this? Fine, you can have it, because at the end of the day, the angle still sucks, TNA still needs to drop it, and I still watch as much wrestling I can on multiple brands including the WWE and TNA so it doesn't really affect me what you think or say.
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Post by George Harrison on Jan 8, 2007 14:17:01 GMT -5
Why must everything here degenerate into one guy v another guy, or WWE v TNA?
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Post by Ace Diamond on Jan 8, 2007 14:21:16 GMT -5
Why must everything here degenerate into one guy v another guy, or WWE v TNA? I dunno, I was just saying that it would've been distasteful (and odd) for VKM to allude to the idea that they caused Triple H to tear his quad, and apparently somebody feels that they should, because somehow it would get revenge on WWE and their horrible sense of ethics (which I admit they have serious problems with)
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Post by vinniemac on Jan 8, 2007 14:25:58 GMT -5
BG threatened to leave because they were going to stop paying for his hotels. Don't try and skew things. That was the LATEST incident. He's been doing this for a while now. Don't try to SKEW things, like you have with the boy who cried wolf claims that VKM are hurting TNA, when they're basically doing noting. Nothing good, nothing bad, for the company. Thanks! I agree. It sucks, but that wasnt' the point. You claim it hurt TNA and I offered up statistical facts to prove otherwise. I'm not saying the HELP TNA, but they certainly aren't hurting it, which you continue to be wrong about, by implying that they are. Facts clearly don't affect you, either. Ratings are up, buy rates improved. International distribution is at a peak, and mainstream recognition of the company continues; all in spite of a silly, stupid, pointless, lower mid-card match that nobody really cares about anyway. Clearly it affected what you said, because I offered up facts and you only came back with hyperbole on why you continue (to falsely) claim the VKM angle is "hurting" TNA. If it hurts TNA product, in your eyes: fine. However, it's not doing that commercially.
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Post by thiazzi on Jan 8, 2007 14:34:52 GMT -5
Vice Kadets? Magnificent!
Also: Internets. Serious business.
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Post by Big BosskMan on Jan 8, 2007 15:58:05 GMT -5
Venomous Kegel Mannequins
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Post by lildude8218 on Jan 8, 2007 17:29:01 GMT -5
The Valiant Kids Murderers
they go around killing off all the sons of the Valiant Brothers so the family line ends with Jimmy and Johnny
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