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Post by Gillberg: 0-175 on Jun 16, 2007 13:40:59 GMT -5
In a continuation of my thread, "Can we all be disgusted yet?" I'd like to ask everyone who likes this angle, what will the payoff be to it?
What makes this angle so beneficial to WWE, and to pro-wrestling? What matches can it logically lead us to? Eddisplotation sucked in terms of booking, and just because Vince isn't really dead what makes you think that this will be handled differently?
I see someone like HHH dedicating his matches to Vince, and someone else perhaps taking the Chavo side, like Shane. The only thing I can think of would be the same exact story of Eddisplotation but with a different cast.
I'm totally honest here. Besides the mystery of "whodunnit", what do you expect this angle to lead to? An extremely over heel who tried to kill Vince? Or an extrememly over face who tried to kill the man we all hated? Or perhaps a new face in someone who wants to defend Vince's honor?
I think enough discussion has been placed on the side of how this isn't benefical to WWE at all, and not enough discussion on what good can actually come of this angle. Now it's time to turn the tide and instead of having to defend the hatred of the angle, it's your turn (anyone who likes this angle) to try to sell it to me and all the people who don't like it.
Perfectly fair, in my opinion.
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Post by Swarm on Jun 16, 2007 13:43:15 GMT -5
I think it's that he's just gone. The character has been killed off. If there is a payoff it's that he faked it to get out of the business.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jun 16, 2007 13:45:38 GMT -5
I think it's that he's just gone. The character has been killed off. If there is a payoff it's that he faked it to get out of the business. Okay, then, let's drop the angle now. He's gone, and we've had our tribute shows, so it's over. Let it, for lack of a better term, die. If it was just to kill off the character, and isn't leading to a match payoff, then it doesn't need to be on tv.
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Post by Gillberg: 0-175 on Jun 16, 2007 13:46:08 GMT -5
Ok, and a counterpoint...if his character is killed off, then why do they keep mentioning it/mourn him? If they wanted to just kill off his character, they wouldn't have spent this much coverage on it. It's going somewhere. Where is it going, and what good will it do for the E?
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Post by acressl on Jun 16, 2007 13:48:56 GMT -5
Heyman's behind it. ECW comes back for real this time. I don't know, really. I feel as though it's pretty grand though. I mean they killed Vince! You'd think they have something serious planned as a pay off right?
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Post by EJS on Jun 16, 2007 13:49:51 GMT -5
I think it's that he's just gone. The character has been killed off. If there is a payoff it's that he faked it to get out of the business. Okay, then, let's drop the angle now. He's gone, and we've had our tribute shows, so it's over. Let it, for lack of a better term, die. If it was just to kill off the character, and isn't leading to a match payoff, then it doesn't need to be on tv. Nope, not gonna happen. If they stick to him being dead as the storyline... We're going to have people fighting over who runs WWE, his estate, and further investigation on how he died. All broadcast on TV! Actually, we'd still get all that stuff even if it's a "faked his own death" scenario. Just with the added "bonus" of an extra chapter of what happens when it is discovered he is in fact alive. There's no escaping it...
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Post by Gillberg: 0-175 on Jun 16, 2007 13:52:37 GMT -5
Okay, then, let's drop the angle now. He's gone, and we've had our tribute shows, so it's over. Let it, for lack of a better term, die. If it was just to kill off the character, and isn't leading to a match payoff, then it doesn't need to be on tv. Nope, not gonna happen. If they stick to him being dead as the storyline... We're going to have people fighting over who runs WWE, his estate, and further investigation on how he died. All broadcast on TV! Actually, we'd still get all that stuff even if it's a "faked his own death" scenario. Just with the added "bonus" of an extra chapter of what happens when it is discovered he is in fact alive. There's no escaping it... Ok, see, this is the type of rebuttal I wish I got in the other thread. Now I can see something coming of it. However, it does seem determental (in my eyes) as the only people who will fight for the WWE would be his immediate family, which are all heels anyway. They would just join up and continue the job Vince started of chipping away at Superman and Bizzaro Superman.
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Post by erisi236 on Jun 16, 2007 13:54:09 GMT -5
That match between Vince and God that we're still waiting for?
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Post by EJS on Jun 16, 2007 13:58:10 GMT -5
Nope, not gonna happen. If they stick to him being dead as the storyline... We're going to have people fighting over who runs WWE, his estate, and further investigation on how he died. All broadcast on TV! Actually, we'd still get all that stuff even if it's a "faked his own death" scenario. Just with the added "bonus" of an extra chapter of what happens when it is discovered he is in fact alive. There's no escaping it... Ok, see, this is the type of rebuttal I wish I got in the other thread. Now I can see something coming of it. However, it does seem determental (in my eyes) as the only people who will fight for the WWE would be his immediate family, which are all heels anyway. They would just join up and continue the job Vince started of chipping away at Superman and Bizzaro Superman. Triple H is probably the only face in that scenario. And Linda kinda, since she vanished right after her heel turn. Kristal could convince Teddy to try and make a case for himself too... We need to know if Vince has a will!
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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Jun 16, 2007 13:58:27 GMT -5
They have to have a payoff. I mean, Vince was blown up! If he had a heart attack or was just committed to an insane asylum, then they could just ignore. But, he was killed off in a manner that suggest someone murder him or he elaborately faked his death. They can't just end the storyline without an answer. Sure, this has happened before, with Imposter Kane, Baby Doll's photos, the driver of the White Hummer, Stacy's baby's daddy; but those are small potatoes to Vince dying in an explosion. We need an answer!
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Post by Gillberg: 0-175 on Jun 16, 2007 14:00:07 GMT -5
They haven't once mentioned anything about a killer, so you can't assume that's the way they will go. Just like it's not fair to assume that it won't have a payoff.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jun 16, 2007 14:00:38 GMT -5
They have to have a payoff. I mean, Vince was blown up! If he had a heart attack or was just committed to an insane asylum, then they could just ignore. But, he was killed off in a manner that suggest someone murder him or he elaborately faked his death. They can't just end the storyline without an answer. Sure, this has happened before, with Imposter Kane, Baby Doll's photos, the driver of the White Hummer, Stacy's baby's daddy; but those are small potatoes to Vince dying in an explosion. We need an answer! Here's the thing, you can't solve death with a wrestling match. You cannot realistically have Shane take on HHH in a "You Blew My Dad Up" Grudge match. That's just stupidity. There's not a single realistic way to end this angle with a match.
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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Jun 16, 2007 14:02:47 GMT -5
They have to have a payoff. I mean, Vince was blown up! If he had a heart attack or was just committed to an insane asylum, then they could just ignore. But, he was killed off in a manner that suggest someone murder him or he elaborately faked his death. They can't just end the storyline without an answer. Sure, this has happened before, with Imposter Kane, Baby Doll's photos, the driver of the White Hummer, Stacy's baby's daddy; but those are small potatoes to Vince dying in an explosion. We need an answer! Here's the thing, you can't solve death with a wrestling match. You cannot realistically have Shane take on HHH in a "You Blew My Dad Up" Grudge match. That's just stupidity. There's not a single realistic way to end this angle with a match. I know that, but it still needs a payoff, no matter how stupid it is. Besides, WWE having stupid payoffs to angles is nothing new.
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Post by EJS on Jun 16, 2007 14:02:53 GMT -5
They haven't once mentioned anything about a killer, so you can't assume that's the way they will go. Just like it's not fair to assume that it won't have a payoff. They did mention something about the way it was done seeming "professional" and that it was an "apparant car bombing" and that something like a cell phone could have been used to detonate it from as far as a half mile away. The way it happened couldn't possibly be an accident. So yeah it was a murder (or suicide) for sure. Weither the "investigator" will actually make progress in catching a murderer remains to be seen.
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Post by Next Level was WRONG on Jun 16, 2007 14:04:47 GMT -5
Paul London creating the U.S.S.R faction and leading the wrestling business into a new golden age! That's where its going!
In all seriousness, there is an endless number of ways this can go. Its a little unfair to try and decipher what could possibly come out of this thing after only a week. I mean considering the very little that we have concerning the angle just now, who knows what could come from it? I mean we don't even know if they re gonna make it out to be a suicide, murder, accident, stunt etc.
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Post by Red Impact on Jun 16, 2007 14:06:28 GMT -5
Ok, and a counterpoint...if his character is killed off, then why do they keep mentioning it/mourn him? If they wanted to just kill off his character, they wouldn't have spent this much coverage on it. It's going somewhere. Where is it going, and what good will it do for the E? I don't see how spending a week on an angle involving the death of the most important person in the company is too much, or in any way unrealistic. It would be far more unrealistic if they just ignored it. At the risk of sounding disrespectful, if they are going to treat this as a real death for storyline purposes, it wouldn't be realistic to give this less treatment than anyone else's death, including those who really died. And I'm sure they've talked about it possibly being foul play (in terms of the limo being detonated) for on more than one occasion. I missed most of Smackdown and I heard JBL talk about it at least once. Given that they devote a good 20% of that show to recapping Raw, I can't imagine that they What the payoff is is anyone's guess. As was said, you can't really end this with a match realistically, so I don't know how they can do it aside from having someone arrested on screen and just disappearing from WWE, whether Vince has really died or not.
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Post by Dick Foley on Jun 16, 2007 14:07:07 GMT -5
All I have to say is "Vince is in Cleveland"
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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Jun 16, 2007 14:08:18 GMT -5
All I have to say is "Vince is in Cleveland" I bet you he's dating a homeles girl named Yur Fired.
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Post by jpschampagne on Jun 16, 2007 14:08:59 GMT -5
I would bet a hundred dollars the there is a several month long "Whodunnit" angle all ending with the culprit being.... VINCE MCMAHON!
"It was me! It was me all along!" he'll shout triumphantly after he comes out to the surprise of absolutely no one. The whole thing will just be to get him even more over as a heel and to further his status as the main character of his own show.
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Post by Fruity Delicious Skittles on Jun 16, 2007 14:10:43 GMT -5
Surely they will do the will reading?
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