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Post by doctorhillbilly on Jun 12, 2007 22:47:35 GMT -5
I don't think it was dreamed up over a day to take a shot at the Sopranos ending. I think with the hype for over a month about the last show of the Sopranos made somebody go "Hey about a mafia type ending for the RAW after the final Sopranos. Now everyone get out their tvs and start flipping around for ideas."
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Post by Nice Guy Cody on Jun 12, 2007 22:49:30 GMT -5
I'm more disgusted by people thanking Philidelphia for not suspending their disbelief for one smurfing minute. Ok seriously, I know it's stupid but just smurfing GO with it cause it's not like you can stop it. It's already happened, we have to deal. We shouldn't be as disrespectful because an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. Plus...it's a smegging TV SHOW! But it's NOT being disrespectful because he's NOT dead. They're being force-fed sewage, and now they're shmucks for not smiling and asking for second helpings? Comparisons to other TV shows are completely unfounded. Wrestling is something that has always been portrayed as 'real'. It'd be like someone on American Idol "dying" only to find out come the end of the season that it was all a big hoax, wokka wokka. IE; if Tony had died on the last episode of the Sopranos we wouldn't have media outlets reporting that Gandolfini actually had died.
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Post by fes1 on Jun 12, 2007 22:50:38 GMT -5
No one is refering to Vincent Kennedy McMahon being deseased, just "Mr. McMahon" the on air character. Just like when a actor gets written off a tv show, the character is gone.
Maybe they will copy that Family Guy episode and have Pam find Bobby in the shower.
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Post by doctorhillbilly on Jun 12, 2007 22:50:47 GMT -5
Oh, and place your bets now on how long before Mr McMahon shows up to an entrance of "Don't Stop Believin'", nah that's giving way too much credit to the E.
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Post by Hakumental on Jun 12, 2007 22:53:02 GMT -5
To be fair, how many times have the Undertaker and Kane "died"? Sure, their gimmicks are based around the premise that they have..."powers"...but I ultimately don't see much difference.
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Post by Joe on Jun 12, 2007 22:56:25 GMT -5
I don't think it was dreamed up over a day to take a shot at the Sopranos ending. I think with the hype for over a month about the last show of the Sopranos made somebody go "Hey about a mafia type ending for the RAW after the final Sopranos. Now everyone get out their tvs and start flipping around for ideas." There was nothing "mafia-type" about the ending of last night's RAW. It was hard to watch the replay of him stepping out of the arena last night and not think, "Man, there's a guy who knew he was about to check out." You can talk about bad acting all you want, but if wrestling is a male soap opera, last night, Vince beat the hell out of anyone I have ever seen who got a Daytime Emmy.
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Post by cheappop on Jun 12, 2007 22:56:37 GMT -5
And if you can't see that then I assume that you just have some kind of bias, since Eddie was an IWC God, and Vince is the Devil of the IWC. Going by this statement, I can assume that there is no point in trying to have a reasonable dialogue with you. Exactly. I hate when people say stupid stuff like "If you don't agree, you are an evil smark who has a bias." Give me a break. I am sorry I don't have the same belief as you, but tough $#1+.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Jun 12, 2007 22:57:19 GMT -5
No we shouldn't. If we are than we have a rod up our asses that need to be removed now.
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Post by doctorhillbilly on Jun 12, 2007 22:57:21 GMT -5
To be fair, how many times have the Undertaker and Kane "died"? Sure, their gimmicks are based around the premise that they have..."powers"...but I ultimately don't see much difference. Well now that's something you can't argue with.
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Post by Rick Mad on Jun 12, 2007 22:59:07 GMT -5
Well, it seemed like people who hated "Eddiesplotation" loved Vince dying, but are you disgusted by it yet? I was from the beginning, faking death is not acceptable. This is really low. Not only stupid, but disrespectful. Moreso than Eddiesplotation. And if you can't see that then I assume that you just have some kind of bias, since Eddie was an IWC God, and Vince is the Devil of the IWC. If Vince was the "Devil of the IWC" then wouldn't it make sense for the IWC to hate the angle instead of enjoying it?
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Post by Nice Guy Cody on Jun 12, 2007 22:59:26 GMT -5
To be fair, how many times have the Undertaker and Kane "died"? Sure, their gimmicks are based around the premise that they have..."powers"...but I ultimately don't see much difference. Well now that's something you can't argue with. Actually, you can. I can't recall ever hearing about how one or the other ever died. Sure, Undertaker was ascended into heaven after RR94 or when kane and Bearer 'destroyed' Taker whatever but they NEVER tried to treat it like either of them were authetically dead.
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Post by Paul Servo on Jun 12, 2007 23:02:12 GMT -5
What this has done was get people to be interested in WWE again. It cannot be compaired to Eddiexplotation because as was said before, Eddie unfortionatly really passed away. Vince McMahon is still alive, the character he played may be dead. Cameras didn't happen to be there when Eddie passed away, but they just happened to be there when Vince did. The fans the WWE lost may have watched only that RAW Trinute to Eddie to see that, the explotation started that Tuesday (or Friday if you want to be technical on when we all saw it) and those that came back to watch the tribute would realize why they stopped. With the Mr. McMahon limo explosion, people are going to watch to see how it plays out. Fans that have left will return to see what is going on.
It was a risky move that hopefully won't be ruined by VENGENCE as people are predicting because it is getting people interested in the WWE
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Post by doctorhillbilly on Jun 12, 2007 23:02:51 GMT -5
I don't think it was dreamed up over a day to take a shot at the Sopranos ending. I think with the hype for over a month about the last show of the Sopranos made somebody go "Hey about a mafia type ending for the RAW after the final Sopranos. Now everyone get out their tvs and start flipping around for ideas." There was nothing "mafia-type" about the ending of last night's RAW. It was hard to watch the replay of him stepping out of the arena last night and not think, "Man, there's a guy who knew he was about to check out." You can talk about bad acting all you want, but if wrestling is a male soap opera, last night, Vince beat the hell out of anyone I have ever seen who got a Daytime Emmy. Is that a joke? Limo rigged to blow, a wooden Bob Backlund looking Vince doing a shakey hands , dramatic pause dog and pony show. BTW the bad acting I was really refering to is Joey and Taz tonight trying to sell it. Will all the wrestlers come out to a teary 10 bell salute to open RAW next week as JR and King try to put this loss into perspective?
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Post by Nice Guy Cody on Jun 12, 2007 23:05:21 GMT -5
What this has done was get people to be interested in WWE again. People keep saying this. What is this line of thought based on? If anything, I would guess (especially based on the talk I've heard of it today on the radio and other people) it's only further reinforcing the negative stereotypes about wrestling and it's fans being lowest common denominator.
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Post by doctorhillbilly on Jun 12, 2007 23:06:12 GMT -5
Well now that's something you can't argue with. Actually, you can. I can't recall ever hearing about how one or the other ever died. Sure, Undertaker was ascended into heaven after RR94 or when kane and Bearer 'destroyed' Taker whatever but they NEVER tried to treat it like either of them were authetically dead. Okay then actually I can't argue with that. Damn! Bring back the people who think Vince can act. Surely that's something we can all argue about.
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Post by Ace Diamond on Jun 12, 2007 23:06:44 GMT -5
I'm more disgusted by people thanking Philidelphia for not suspending their disbelief for one smurfing minute. Ok seriously, I know it's stupid but just smurfing GO with it cause it's not like you can stop it. It's already happened, we have to deal. We shouldn't be as disrespectful because an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. Plus...it's a smegging TV SHOW! But it's NOT being disrespectful because he's NOT dead. They're being force-fed sewage, and now they're shmucks for not smiling and asking for second helpings? Comparisons to other TV shows are completely unfounded. Wrestling is something that has always been portrayed as 'real'. It'd be like someone on American Idol "dying" only to find out come the end of the season that it was all a big hoax, wokka wokka. IE; if Tony had died on the last episode of the Sopranos we wouldn't have media outlets reporting that Gandolfini actually had died. Nope still going with it being a TV show and thus shouldn't get mad or disgusted.
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Post by doctorhillbilly on Jun 12, 2007 23:07:53 GMT -5
What this has done was get people to be interested in WWE again. People keep saying this. What is this line of thought based on? If anything, I would guess (especially based on the talk I've heard of it today on the radio and other people) it's only further reinforcing the negative stereotypes about wrestling and it's fans being lowest common denominator. Hey you're making way too much sense in these posts.
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Post by Nice Guy Cody on Jun 12, 2007 23:08:03 GMT -5
But it's NOT being disrespectful because he's NOT dead. They're being force-fed sewage, and now they're shmucks for not smiling and asking for second helpings? Comparisons to other TV shows are completely unfounded. Wrestling is something that has always been portrayed as 'real'. It'd be like someone on American Idol "dying" only to find out come the end of the season that it was all a big hoax, wokka wokka. IE; if Tony had died on the last episode of the Sopranos we wouldn't have media outlets reporting that Gandolfini actually had died. Nope still going with it being a TV show and thus shouldn't get mad or disgusted. In that case I'm sure you'll understand if I in turn stick with the argument that actually has basis, points and rationale other than "Nope, I'm right.".
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Post by doctorhillbilly on Jun 12, 2007 23:13:20 GMT -5
But it's NOT being disrespectful because he's NOT dead. They're being force-fed sewage, and now they're shmucks for not smiling and asking for second helpings? Comparisons to other TV shows are completely unfounded. Wrestling is something that has always been portrayed as 'real'. It'd be like someone on American Idol "dying" only to find out come the end of the season that it was all a big hoax, wokka wokka. IE; if Tony had died on the last episode of the Sopranos we wouldn't have media outlets reporting that Gandolfini actually had died. Nope still going with it being a TV show and thus shouldn't get mad or disgusted. All I'm saying is; Sid being crushed by a monster truck = bad tv but Vince exploding in a limo = creative and exciting? ?? Vince Russo awaits his email apologies.
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Post by General Zod on Jun 12, 2007 23:14:33 GMT -5
Wrestling isn't a TV show, and I f***ing HATE Vince McMahon for making the younger fans think that it is. He hires writing teams that have no eartly clue what wrestling fans want, and nor do they care. They're getting paid to write a television show, when the core audience doesn't want a soap opera, or a reality show.
Is it because he (Vince) thinks of his product as a weekly TV show? One that can just be cancelled on the whim of a network executive, and will completely cease to be once he does? Or is it because he's conditioned all of you to think so; that this sort of crap passes for good entertainment?
Do you go to indie shows because of the superb special effects and subpar writing? 'Cause I sure don't. I go because I love wrestling.
Wrestling isn't Melrose Place. It's wrestling.
RAW isn't Murder She Wrote. It's wrestling.
Smackdown! isn't Dallas. It's wrestling.
ECW isn't ...
...well...ECW is just a slap in the face, frankly. But that's neither here nor there.
The point being, it's offensive because it's supposed to be wrestling. If I want to watch people get blown up in cars, I'll rent Casino.
Wrestling just happens to be on TV. It's how they get their product (Pro Wrestling) into your home, and get you to buy tickets to the shows, PPV's, merchandise, etc.
I hate to sound like an elitist, but the fact of the matter remains. Without TV, wrestling will still exist.
When people "die" in soap operas, only to come back later, it's cheesy, and indicative of poor writing. Which I guess is fitting, since we're on the Wrestlecrap website. But for a wrestling company? Not so good.
It means they're out of ideas, and desperately trying to cling to their viewership by making us talk about the incident.
Looks like it worked.
And I, frankly, think that's sad. I'd much rather be talking about great matches and the angles that propell them.
I'll be a monkey's uncle if this actually leads us to a 5 star classic match. Someone please tell me what this has to do with the product, in any capacity? Give me grudge conflicts any day over this tripe.
Nothing good will come of this.
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