Benoit thread #8 - all Benoit topics here.

[blackngoldbrigade]

Axl,

Nice picture of Fast Willie.

[blackngoldbrigade]

My friend saw Benoit and Malenko at a gym in my hometown in West Virginia. He said Benoit was curling 120lb dumbbells. That's insane.

[WHATAMANOOOVER]

I wonder if any other wrestlers will have been found to have gone to Dr. Astin for prescriptions.

This could possibly open up a can of worms for some folk...not to mention if they bring charges against Astin (what for, I don't know).

[gary17]

Why? Do you know kevin sullivan personally? Do you know what he's capable of any more than what you thought benoit was or wasn't capable of a week ago? Anyways, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to accuse him of anything, he was just my example. My brain is just trying to come up with some rational explanation for all this, there has to be one.

[rra]

blackngoldbrigade said:

My friend saw Benoit and Malenko at a gym in my hometown in West Virginia. He said Benoit was curling 120lb dumbbells. That's insane.

DAMN.

[axlbucket]

blackngoldbrigade said:

Axl,

Nice picture of Fast Willie.

Thankyou, he's quite the Legend ;D

[Johnny Danger (Godz)]

gary17 said:

Anybody stop to think, maybe he didn't do it? Maybe someone else was there, holding them hostage, sending the texts from both phones, maybe they were being held against their will and benoit was forced to say those things when people called him on that weekend? Am I the only one who would like to believe that this is a far more likely senerio than the benoit we all knew and loved for 20 years suddenly snapping over night and murdering his family? If some surprise evidence were to suddenly come out and this turned out to be the case wouldn't some people around here feel like asses? I'm sorry, but I loved chris benoit and I absolutely refuse to believe he did this. I would be more likely to believe that hulk hogan could be capable of something like this before I would believe chris benoit could do it....

This is a f***ing joke to suggest that Hulk Hogan would be capable of killing his wife and children, why, because you believe his workrate inferior to benoit's!? IWC lunacy at it's finest.

[Franchise]

gary17 said:

Why? Do you know kevin sullivan personally? Do you know what he's capable of any more than what you thought benoit was or wasn't capable of a week ago? Anyways, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to accuse him of anything, he was just my example. My brain is just trying to come up with some rational explanation for all this, there has to be one.

Do you know Chris Benoit personally? No...then why are you so sure he didn't do it?

Look man, I want Benoit to be innocent too, but the fact of the matter is, he's not. If I'm wrong, I'll man up and admit it, but the odds are 99.999% likely he did it. I'm sorry man, but that's life.

Spend your time deciding if you can still watch Benoit matches, not trying to clear his name.

[curtrok]

A few responses, Mike Tyson went to prison and lost his boxing license. Beniot beats the crap out of wife and gets a world title run.

In response to the other questions no you shouldn't stop watching football or basketball or baseball (now) because they have drug testing in place and if their performers fail the drug test they are suspended without pay for long periods of time to make it more beneficial to them not to abuse performance enhancing drugs.

The difference between those sporting leagues and pro-wrestling is medical coverage. If you really cared about these athletes you would boycott the product at this point, the wrestlers can't give up their spots and say I'm not going to show up if you keep treating me this way because the organization puts another wrestler in their place and we keep coming. If the wrestlers knew that we would support them in a work stoppage, and support them if they organized then people like Eddie Guerrero and Brian Pillman may still be alive.

In response to the other comment the autopsy on Eddie revealed that his heart failure was caused by an enlarged heart due to steroid and recreational drug abuse.

Some more examples, Ricky Williams keeps failing drug test when applies for reinstatement into the nfl, they do not let him play, he is breaking the law, and he is a danger to himself and others when under the influence. I personally do not care what one does in his or her life but if she represents an image sensitive organization like the WWE of the NFL standards should be enforced.

By comparison RVD was arrested with the same drug as Ricky Williams and was suspended for thirty days and made to lose one of his two heavyweight titles at the time.

Does that make the point more clear in other entertainment venues and sporting leagues rules governing substance abuse are enforced more strictly enforced than the WWE. What's the excuse now the ratings wars are over this is the only major promotion left why abuse your talent.

The the person who compared me to Bill O'riely, thank you I suppose. If you like seeing your superstars die when they are 40 then keep supporting the current product. Its normal for 38 year old men in peak physical condition to drop dead, its normal for a guy to smother his mentally disabled kid and choke out his wife. Sure no problems with that.

Anyway, to the other person that wanted to see the tox report his Doctor already admitted that he gave Beniot a legal prescription for steroids because years of abuse actually lowered his testosterone levels, and bottles of the substance were found from a lab known to distribute them over the web to anyone with enough money, I doubt they were for the seven year old.

Anyway if you think that 100 dead guys in one industry that is "fake" is normal where as NFL= 0 NBA= 0 MMA =1 MLB = 4. Over the same time frame your crazy.

100 > 5. There is no way that only the wrestlers die and a handful of baseball players and everyone else that had testing at the time no one is dead if that's not the cause or at least a contributing factor.

[curtrok]

salz4life said:

godz said:

I'm not denying he's part of history, doesn't mean I wanna see his face.

Hitler and Jeffery Dahmer are historically significant individuals as well. I don't want to see them every week on my TV screen either.

The only issue I see with Benoit being removed from all WWE 24/7 material is the fact that I think this would render the Monday Night Wars section useless. Benoit was a main cog in the WCW during the entire Monday Night Wars. I guess you could cut his parts out, but if I'm not mistaken, he was in a lot of the big angles during the Wars.

Basically, I see why they would to remove him from the service.... but I think that really disables a lot of video that you could show.

Hitler and a wrestler do not share the same social or historical significance. They should not be in the same sentence let alone the same message board.

[Johnny Danger (Godz)]

joker said:

godz said:

Sure but that's different. I don't think anyone here admired the likes of Hitler, Dahmer, Gacy, Gein, etc. And Benoit isn't exactly going to be portrayed in a negative light on 24/7, he's still going to be cheered, put over, etc. I don't feel the need to celebrate his career any further.

Ok firstly Benoit is not in league with any of those mentioned above, they are infamous serial killers or despots, Benoit by all accounts is coming across as a man who's mental instabilites got the better of him in one weekend of madness.

My point is, say I buy Royal Rumble 2003 - (Benoit faces Kurt Angle for the Championship)

I don't want to buy that dvd editied without that match or edited so you can't see him. Not because I paticularly like Benoit but because it ruins the entire ppv if it's not there or is smudged over it would be like buying a movie and finding a section was missing.

Plus it's unfair to Kurt Angle as he wrestled a very good match. The same applies to many other matches with Benoit. I may not want to see Benoit again, but I certainly want to watch the other wrestlers have good matches with him or that invovle him on ppvs.

I totally agree that new dvds released shouldn't have him on if they are special sets such as a Rey Mysterio DVD or a greatest ladder matches dvd. But if it's just releasing a dvd of a ppv be it WWE/WWF/ECW or WCW event then it's unfair to us as fans who want to buy it. (I want the whole show or nothing at all.)

Like it or not, "infamous killer" still sums up Benoit. Or at the very least, the general public's perception of him.

And I too was looking forward to seeing a lot of things that I missed the first time around, being a strict WWF fan, like the Horsemen that Benoit was a major part of. But there's no way I can watch it and enjoy it now. And again, to the public, this is still WWE profitting off a killer of women and children. Nevermind the hundreds of other wrestlers available to watch. In a perfect world, they'd offer edited and uncut versions and leave it up to each person's personal preference.

Of course, in a truly perfect world, instead we'd be talking about how awesome Benoit beating Punk on Sunday was

[CaptainRon]

Someone should put together a benefit in Daniel's name for the National Fragile X Foundation. Or at the very least, fans should donate in his name.

[Johnny Danger (Godz)]

curtrok said:

salz4life said:

The only issue I see with Benoit being removed from all WWE 24/7 material is the fact that I think this would render the Monday Night Wars section useless. Benoit was a main cog in the WCW during the entire Monday Night Wars. I guess you could cut his parts out, but if I'm not mistaken, he was in a lot of the big angles during the Wars.

Basically, I see why they would to remove him from the service.... but I think that really disables a lot of video that you could show.

Hitler and a wrestler do not share the same social or historical significance. They should not be in the same sentence let alone the same message board.

They're both monsters.

Feel free to disagree.

[curtrok]

godz said:

gary17 said:

Anybody stop to think, maybe he didn't do it? Maybe someone else was there, holding them hostage, sending the texts from both phones, maybe they were being held against their will and benoit was forced to say those things when people called him on that weekend? Am I the only one who would like to believe that this is a far more likely senerio than the benoit we all knew and loved for 20 years suddenly snapping over night and murdering his family? If some surprise evidence were to suddenly come out and this turned out to be the case wouldn't some people around here feel like asses? I'm sorry, but I loved chris benoit and I absolutely refuse to believe he did this. I would be more likely to believe that hulk hogan could be capable of something like this before I would believe chris benoit could do it....

Um I think the skin under the finger nails will tell us the tale on this one. If he didn't do it they won't find any. Don't hold your breath.

[Johnny Danger (Godz)]

captainron said:

Someone should put together a benefit in Daniel's name for the National Fragile X Foundation. Or at the very least, fans should donate in his name.

Nice idea

www.fragilex.org/

[curtrok]

godz said:

curtrok said:

Hitler and a wrestler do not share the same social or historical significance. They should not be in the same sentence let alone the same message board.

They're both monsters.

Feel free to disagree.

I agree they are both monsters, one was an asshole that scarred the world for generations, another was an asshole that scarred his family for generations.

I vote for both of them to be elected into the murdering asshole hall of fame first ballot.

[Frank Zappa]

Just back from work, and didn't get to check the internet this morning. Has any more news come out today? How did Vince's interview go?

[Johnny Danger (Godz)]

^ Agreed. While I'm not saying Benoit was evil on Hitler's level, it doesn't make him any better.

[Johnny Danger (Godz)]

soupy said:

Just back from work, and didn't get to check the internet this morning. Has any more news come out today? How did Vince's interview go?

I believe WWE.com has it on video.

[curtrok]

I think they should keep all the Beniot content up because he had some great matches in WCW but maybe digitally superimpose Hulk Hogan or Glacier over Beniot's face. That way everyone wins.