nisi
Vegeta
Da Bears
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Post by nisi on Jun 29, 2007 13:37:40 GMT -5
With great power comes great responsibility. Vince is the one with the power here. I absolutely agree in workers taking personal responsibility...proportionate to their power. When the workers have more power, the "personal responsibility" arguments will have a lot more cred. Until then, not so much.
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Hex
Trap-Jaw
WWF > WWE
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Post by Hex on Jun 29, 2007 14:01:02 GMT -5
Let's face facts: WWE contracted wrestlers have a harder road life than athletes in just about any other major sport or company. They go around the world, wrestling at least 200 days a year (sometimes working more than a match a day), pay for all their own expenses (cars, hotels, etc.), doing promotional work and appearances during many of the days they're not wrestling, and rarely getting enough time together to even get home for a holiday. All the while, they do this without full medical benefits, job security, or any actual rights to refuse an offer made by their higher-ups, or to file grievances with some kind of governing body if they feel that they've been wronged or hurt in some way. Hell, they sometimes don't even get to keep gimmicks and characters of their own creation once they sign on to the WWE. WWE makes its wrestlers pay for their own travel expenses? Good Lord, it's worse than I thought.
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Post by kawalimus on Jun 29, 2007 14:19:57 GMT -5
Let's face facts: WWE contracted wrestlers have a harder road life than athletes in just about any other major sport or company. They go around the world, wrestling at least 200 days a year (sometimes working more than a match a day), pay for all their own expenses (cars, hotels, etc.), doing promotional work and appearances during many of the days they're not wrestling, and rarely getting enough time together to even get home for a holiday. All the while, they do this without full medical benefits, job security, or any actual rights to refuse an offer made by their higher-ups, or to file grievances with some kind of governing body if they feel that they've been wronged or hurt in some way. Hell, they sometimes don't even get to keep gimmicks and characters of their own creation once they sign on to the WWE. WWE makes its wrestlers pay for their own travel expenses? Good Lord, it's worse than I thought. All that's I have to say in this thread has already been said. But I will say again VINCE IS SCUM AND SHOULD BE IN JAIL FOR THE WAY HE TREATS HIS EMPLOYEES!! Let's face facts, I don't care what the law says about independent contractors. Just cause the law says it doesn't make it right. If any good comes out of this whole situation its that now people are thinking and discussing something very serious about something everyone here likes which is wrestling. And WWE in particular in that the guys on tv, except for a select few, are treated like crap. And the worst part is they don't have to be, Vince is just greedy and doesn't want to show the same loyalty to his wrestlers that he demands from them.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 29, 2007 16:53:23 GMT -5
While I wouldn't say Vince "belongs in jail" (like it or not, he's working within the parameters of the law, at least on most things not steroid related), I do agree, and I don't take joy in saying this, that I simply can't look at Vince as a good man. "Scum" is pushing it, but it's hard to argue that he shows the same level of decency to his workers that he expects them to show him.
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Post by extremek on Jun 29, 2007 18:19:39 GMT -5
However, we're ignoring a big part of wrestling history here: people HAVE tried to speak up. The result? Firings. Lots n' lots of firings. That happens a lot in retail too. As far as how Vince is as a boss and employer all I have to say is this: I don't know the answer to that because I've never worked for him. Fair enough?
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