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Post by paragon on Jul 17, 2007 15:29:51 GMT -5
Im sorry, but it seems to me that there were steroids in the body, where exactly does it say that steroids were not in the body. Elevated testosterone was found, not anabolic steroids, which is what the media was hoping it would be.
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Post by JMA on Jul 17, 2007 15:31:53 GMT -5
From what I can gather, it looks like WWE and the media BOTH lose here. The media is wrong about the roid rage theory and WWE is wrong about the Wellness Policy being strictly enforced.
Frankly, I think I'm going to wait until tomorrow before commenting further. Perhaps things will be more clear then.
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Post by thesunbeast on Jul 17, 2007 15:35:11 GMT -5
I think MSNBC is stupid too now. I have to get this off my chest.
To know how stupid some of these media outlets are, you have to actually know about steroids. I know about steroids. NO ONE just takes testosterone and trains in the gym and gets huge, so to just say "well look at him, you can tell he was using lots of testosterone." that's just asinine..
Now lets look at he truth, testosterone IS a steroid. thearetically, was chris benoit taking a steroid? yes he was, so what does that mean? Well, lets take a look.
Testosterone and other steroids have many, many funtions. If you take them for one purpose, you're going to recieve the aspects of other purposes. Basic testosterone was the first steroid ever invented in the late 1800's-early1900's. It's good for preventing the breakdown of muscles for people who's muscles are breaking down. People then started to realize that testosterone helps you gain muscle, so world war 2 veterans were now experimenting with them.
BASIC testosterone is the testosterone of this era. there are many purposes and side-effects to using testosterone. Many people will say to you, "well, there's many side effects" or "yeah, they do this". Well I'm going to actually explain the best I can, what that ACTUALLY is, and what they do. Then you can have a clear picture, as I've done my homework for years now.
BASIC testosterone (one found in benoit) is the male sex hormone, so if there's a male sex hormone, then by gollie gee, there must be a female sex hormone. Many, Many, Many, MANY, MANY other steroids have been invented over the last 100 years, just to make up for the effects of BASIC testosterone, based on what you need it for. Example: BASIC testosterone will help you build muscle, but it also converts to estrogen, so if you want to take it to gain muscle, (like if you have MS) you would have to deal with the estrogen.
So a musclebuilding steroid would be, NOT, a steroid that builds more muscle, as if testosterone dosen't, becuase it does, no, it would be a TWEAKED form of testosterone that has a lower rate of conversion to estrogen, allowing you to use it for muscle gaining purposes, but you still have to deal with the estrogen. This is just ONE example.
I said before that BASIC testosterone has many side effects, here's how.
#1- BASIC Testosterone has a very high conversion rate to estrogen, as ALL OUR normal testosterone converts to estrogen in males, so it has to be this way. If you want testosterone that's just like the testosterone in your body, it has to converts to estrogen. Some people have said that BASIC testosterone converts to estrogen at a rate of about 15-20%.
#2- The more BASIC Testosterone you take, the more estrogen you will recieve. Side effectis of estrogen in males are gynecomastia, water retention, and fat gain. You WILL get this if estrogen is too high in males. So you dont want to take an abundance of BASIC testosterone, because it works just like your own testosterone.
#3- BASIC testosterone converts to DHT (dehydrotestosterone) at a very high rate. This is a masculanizing hormone, you grow facial hair and body hair, and makes you think like a man, improves your sex drive, and if you have enough of it, it will build up in your scalp and make you bald.
BASIC testosterone will give you ALL OF THIS. A man is suppossed to have alot less the amount of estrogen in his system as he does testosterone. If your testosterone level is at 900, and your estrogen level is at 100, you may be fine. If your testosterone level is at 400 and you estrogen level is at 25, then you need to take some BASIC testosterone, because it converts to estrogen. So if you were to take a level 500 amount of BASIC testosterone, it would bring your testosterone level up to 900, but the drug has a 15% conversion rate to estrogen, and there for it would bring your estrogen up to 100, adding 75. 100 estrogen would be good for a man. If you have a testosterone level of 900, an estrogen level of 100, and you decided that you wanted to take BASIC testosterone to gain muscle, if you took a level 500 BASIC testosterone, it would bring your testosterone level up to 1400, but it would bring estrogen up to 175. (way too high, almost double) See how this works?
The same thing applies to DHT. The ONLY beneficial reason (especially today) to take BASIC testosterone without suffering the effects of estrogen and DHT, is if you have a low amount of testosterone (which would give you naturally a low estrogen and DHT)
Now lets talk about bodybuilding. What do bodybuilders do? what steroids do they take, and how do they take them?
there are many different drugs that are used. This DOES NOT mean that they are just "taking loads of crap" to get bigger, there is actually a science to this. Today, there are many forms of tweaked testosterone, tweaked nandrolone, and tweaked dianobnal. But testosterone is the basic unit here, not BASIC testosterone, but other types.
There are some types of testosterone that are the same as BASIC, but they only have DHT conversion and not estrogen. There are others that have estrogen conversion, but not DHT.
Basically, you have:
-Testosterone Cypinoate -Testosterone Enenthate -Testosterone Propionate -Testosterone supension -deca-durabolin -Dianobal
Now, we've all heard that bodybuilders (anyone wanting to build alot of muscle) "cycle" them, but we haven't heard alot about "stacking" them, which they do as well.
See, if a bodybuilder took BASIC testosterone, he wouldn't ba able to have a 2000 level testosterone without haveing a 265 estrogen level and 300 DHT level (way too high) (By the way, the numbers I'm giving are just examples, so don't hate, it works the same exact way with real numbers.)
Here's what the bodybuilder will do: he will start out at say 900 testosterone/60 estrogen, 130 DHT naturally. He will take 400 of testosterone #2, (which converts only to estrogen, and not DHT, by only 6%) which now brings him up to 1300 testosterone, 84 estrogen, and 130 DHT. He will now take that along with a level 500 of testosterone #4 (which converts just to DHT, and not estrogen, at about 4%) which now brings him up to 1800 testosterone (twice that of normal man) 84 estrogen, and 150 DHT.
He will NOW take BASIC testosterone, mabe a level 500, which converts to both estrogen and DHT at 15%. brining him up to 2300 testosterone, 159 estrogen, and 225 DHT.
He will now take an estrogen blocker, that will only black mabe 50 estrogen at most, and a DHT blocker, that will block 100 DHT at most, and with these 5 or 6 drugs, he has just achieved 2300 testosterone, 109 estrogen, and 125 DHT.
we have reprters saying "Well look at him, it's obvious that he was using testosterone!!"
They don't have a clue what they're talking about.
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Post by MVP = Ballin.222 on Jul 17, 2007 15:41:19 GMT -5
AOL news headline: What drugs was he on? Classy
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Post by RoloSolo IV on Jul 17, 2007 15:53:56 GMT -5
It is clear Chris Benoit was perhaps MURDERED.
No alcohol was found in his system yet there was empty beer and wine bottles. The level of testosterone in his system is too high it would kill any man. Someone perhaps injected it into his system. No steroids in his system yet police claim tons of them in his house.
Triple Murder to me. It doesnt make any sense.
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Post by The OP on Jul 17, 2007 15:58:46 GMT -5
It is clear Chris Benoit was perhaps MURDERED. No alcohol was found in his system yet there was empty beer and wine bottles. The level of testosterone in his system is too high it would kill any man. Someone perhaps injected it into his system. No steroids in his system yet police claim tons of them in his house. Triple Murder to me. It doesnt make any sense. I said it several pages ago. I don't wanna go throwing around wild accusations or making unsubstantiated claims, but there is a lot about this case that just doesn't make sense.
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