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Post by erik316wttn on Aug 1, 2007 12:57:19 GMT -5
And the proverbial shit has hit the fan at Titan Towers.
Vince, you gotta do something, bro. You've got the guys, just end this joke of a brand extention and having 50 PPV's. It's killing your company.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Aug 1, 2007 12:57:29 GMT -5
You want another PANIC button situation? MNF hasn't even started up yet. If it's bad now imagine when football starts up and that starts sucking away viewers. A once in a lifetime situation, I pray, but he actually has a point here. If the ratings are tanking now, then when football season starts, Vince is f***ed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2007 12:57:50 GMT -5
Thing is, there's not enough talent to keep people interested anymore. The only one who's over right now on Raw is John Cena. Bash me all you want, but if you notice, NOBODY else gets a reaction like he does. Back a few years ago, though, mostly everyone used to get a good reaction. That's because they had talent that the fans cared about, especially the talent on top. Rock, Austin, Triple H, Angle etc ... what do they have now? Cena on his own? I agree with you, actually, but the WWE has been Cena-centric for two years. If that's the problem, why are we just now seeing the effects?? I think The Rock said a few years ago that "Superman can only overcome the odds so long before the viewer wants to see them in some sort of danger." I don't think that's ever happened with Cena, and most fans have caught on that Cena's going to win, every single time. Remember the last time he lost the title, to Edge at NYR06? Ratings jumped to about 4.3 ... that MUST tell WWE something.
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Post by mysterydriver on Aug 1, 2007 12:58:40 GMT -5
This drastic of a drop isn't caused by "The same old stuff!" because the same old stuff has done just fine. Also, most people would admit that Raw was very random and unpredictable on monday.
This isn't because of Cena. Anyone suggesting that should really check their opinions. Your bias is starting to strangle you.
Steroids allegations and Beniot are likely, but it took awhile to take effect. In fact, it seemed to wait until the story finally left the major news programs.
There wasn't any different TV competition. This whole thing is just completely out of the blue.
This drastic drop is as random as the show itself was.
Maybe WWE can rebound. Hopefully anyway.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 1, 2007 12:59:52 GMT -5
You want another PANIC button situation? MNF hasn't even started up yet. If it's bad now imagine when football starts up and that starts sucking away viewers. That part's actually true, MNF is gonna smoke them, as usual. That said, I enjoyed this week's show a bit, and since I don't work there, I don't really care what the ratings did.
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Post by Pgarodactyl on Aug 1, 2007 13:00:26 GMT -5
The problem is that there's no one below Cena that the fans can take seriously. Its the John Cena show and everyone else just play parts. The last time he lost cleanly or without shenanigans of sorts was against HBK in England. Before that? I don't know... maybe 2005? WWE seems to have no patience with developing wrestlers to that level because they don't get the immediate reactions. And, when they do get great reactions, Vince McMahon decides he doesn't understand the character and scraps it (Paul Burchill anyone?).
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Post by The OP on Aug 1, 2007 13:01:44 GMT -5
Yeah, this wouldn't have happened if Paul Burchill was one the show.
The more other reasons people post, the more I'm convinced it's because of Benoit/steroids.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Aug 1, 2007 13:02:02 GMT -5
The problem is that there's no one below Cena that the fans can take seriously. Its the John Cena show and everyone else just play parts. The last time he lost cleanly or without shenanigans of sorts was against HBK in England. Before that? I don't know... maybe 2005? WWE seems to have no patience with developing wrestlers to that level because they don't get the immediate reactions. And, when they do get great reactions, Vince McMahon decides he doesn't understand the character and scraps it (Paul Burchill anyone?). Yeah, that's definetly a problem. The only wrestlers that the casual fans have any reason to care about are Cena, and to a much lesser extent, Batista and Lashley. Everyone else is just there to eventually lose to those three guys. That's not good for business.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Aug 1, 2007 13:02:39 GMT -5
Yeah, this wouldn't have happened if Paul Burchill was one the show. The more other reasons people post, the more I'm convinced it's because of Benoit/steroids. Way to take one sentence out of context and completely ignore the meat of the message. The dude had a great point there.
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Post by rrm15 on Aug 1, 2007 13:02:48 GMT -5
When you say ratings didn't get this bad in 2002 you gotta realize that in 2002 the product wasn't far removed from great era. People still gave it chance to be good cause it had been good just shortly before that. Now, last time product was truly good all around was a long time ago and people starting to give up on it and say it's just never gonna get back to that point, so they move onto something else. You want another PANIC button situation? MNF hasn't even started up yet. If it's bad now imagine when football starts up and that starts sucking away viewers. Both of these are actually excellent points, and have a lot of merit. I'm JUST saying though, that this weeks RAW wasn't bad at all, and the show has gone up in quality recently. There's no denying that it's not as good as it was during the height of The Rock & Austin days, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that this DRAMATIC of a drop doesn't happen because an entire 1 point of the audience just suddenly out of the blue said "Hmm, I'm tired of Cena".
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Post by Chuckie Finster on Aug 1, 2007 13:03:17 GMT -5
It might also be a Nielson glitch.
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Post by mysterydriver on Aug 1, 2007 13:03:37 GMT -5
I like the complaining about the lack of putting people over when Raw put Kennedy over Lashley and CARLITO over Cean.
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Post by Pgarodactyl on Aug 1, 2007 13:04:44 GMT -5
Yeah, this wouldn't have happened if Paul Burchill was one the show. The more other reasons people post, the more I'm convinced it's because of Benoit/steroids. That's not what I'm saying (which I'm sure you'd understand if you actually read what I wrote). I'm saying that WWE's tendency to shove aside characters that are over because Vince McMahon doesn't understand them is hurting in the long run.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Aug 1, 2007 13:04:56 GMT -5
I like the complaining about the lack of putting people over when Raw put Kennedy over Lashley and CARLITO over Cean. Yeah, but what did Carlito's win mean? He apparently won thanks to Orton's interference, which means that under normal circumstances, Cena would have just destroyed him. When Carlito beats Cena clean, then he's putting him over. Until then, it's just building to the eventual mediocre Orton/Cena match.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2007 13:05:12 GMT -5
I like the complaining about the lack of putting people over when Raw put Kennedy over Lashley and CARLITO over Cean. But the thing is ... fans don't care about this. Casual viewers don't care about Carlito or Kennedy. WWE needs to make the fans care, like they did in the Attitude era.
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Post by mrjerkybigbucks on Aug 1, 2007 13:05:45 GMT -5
I bet vince still doesn't see tna as a threat...
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Aug 1, 2007 13:06:56 GMT -5
Nobody saw this coming regardless of their boredom. It's impossible to pin this on one thing.
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Post by bjboston on Aug 1, 2007 13:07:09 GMT -5
I only saw the second half of the show, but thought it was terrific. Best show in months.
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Post by The OP on Aug 1, 2007 13:07:26 GMT -5
I'd say they put Kennedy over huge. In kayfabe terms, he took Lashley out indefinitely.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Aug 1, 2007 13:07:37 GMT -5
Raw has its good days, but now you could afford to miss a show and not feel like you were left out of anything. It's just not that exciting or unpredictable anymore.
If this rating stays this way and possibly gets lower then you could start to panic.
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