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Post by W?Y on Jul 15, 2007 22:17:08 GMT -5
I think Joe will pick Angle and they'll do the whole "fuedin' partners" angle. Didn't see that one coming.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 15, 2007 22:25:15 GMT -5
Glad I ordered this. Very fun show.
Triple X reunion = total markout.
Random note: a couple years back, I remember kinda left-handedly complimenting Batista, saying that he's still not that great, but at least he's tried to get his ring work a bit better. Now, looking at Tomko, I'm shocked at just how much quicker and more fluid-moving Mr. Problem Solver has become. It's like night and day. Remember the whole Stevie/Polish Hammer incident? Feels like a million years ago. Also, the Styles/Tomko tag team is the goods.
MCMG are perfect together.
As for the main event, if Joe does pick Angle as his partner, I hope it's actually with a somewhat creative reason. I was VERY glad they didn't go the "they make the Dudleys tap at the same time!" route, which would've been pretty bogus.
All in all, very fun show, one of the better ones I've seen from TNA.
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Post by lildude8218 on Jul 15, 2007 22:26:39 GMT -5
Remember the whole Stevie/Polish Hammer incident? I thought that was Chris Masters?
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Post by slasher911 on Jul 15, 2007 22:36:44 GMT -5
It's the closest comparison you can make to this, besides the Great Khali or someone tossing around some jobbers (which is exactly what you DON'T want to happen to guys like Lethal) backstage. Someone being cheap-shotted during a feud is all well in good - but someone getting 'punked out' backstage randomly is jobber work. When FOUR people end up being beaten down backstage, then it just becomes ridiculous. If Lethal (for example) was the only one Angle cheap-shotted, then they could do something with it. But when Angle just runs through multiple people, then it becomes overkill and stupid, and not good for ANYBODY but Angle (and even then, it's such a ****ty way to try and get somebody over). Your defense is "people won't remember it"? Oh, that's genius. That's the perfect way to make your talent seem believable. Everyone seems to have a 2-day attention span, so why not just have Lethal toss Angle's salad while he's at it? No. I'm not gonna' swallow this bull**** as easily as you. The only way they can redeem this stupid situation is by having one of the guys join Joe in his feud against Angle. Otherwise it was all for nothing. Bull****? Look, not everything needs to lead to a feud or war. Let TNA have Angle go crazy on a few X-Divisioners. It's not like they got pinned in the ring in 20 seconds. It's a surprise attack on someone who isn't expecting it(Lethal) one who is trying to be peaceful (Sonjay) and taking away and using their weapon(Seretonin). It's not a burial or anything. You are making this a bigger deal than it has to be. Why can't you just let it go? All you're doing is just trying to pup on TNA for doing something not exactly to your liking, or something that doesn't make your favorites look like Gods. People win, people lose, people get beat up, people beat up other people, people get screwed out of wins, people cheat to win. It's not right or wrong. Guaranteed, next time Lethal goes out, he will get cheered and things will be normal, like nothing happened. This doesn't take away anything from anyone else. It will do no real harm to anyone. Once again: Let. it. go. It was the last thing the X-Division needed. If Angle were to beat the **** out of Shark Boy or some random "stagehand", it wouldn't have been so bad. But having Angle destroy guys who should SERIOUSLY be one of the main focus points of TNA on a whim, then it becomes a problem. It shows what the priorities are in TNA. In feuds, yes. But what happened to these guys was just jobber duty. It had no purpose in the storyline but to somehow get Angle over as a dick at the expense of Lethal, Dutt and the other two. They could've easily avoided this. You're giving people way less credit than they deserve. Unless they're completely brainwashed or just simple and can't remember how to tie their shoes, they'll remember what happens at a PPV. If nothing comes of this, then Lethal and the other guys will just be "Angle's *****es." They could easily cover it up by teaming Lethal with Joe, pushing Dutt's pacifist character even further, and making the Serotonin guys be punished by Raven, but I highly doubt they'll actually turn any of this into *shock* good character development. Funaki still gets cheered, but would you take him as a serious threat to anybody?
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Post by Michael Coello on Jul 15, 2007 22:55:38 GMT -5
Bull****? Look, not everything needs to lead to a feud or war. Let TNA have Angle go crazy on a few X-Divisioners. It's not like they got pinned in the ring in 20 seconds. It's a surprise attack on someone who isn't expecting it(Lethal) one who is trying to be peaceful (Sonjay) and taking away and using their weapon(Seretonin). It's not a burial or anything. You are making this a bigger deal than it has to be. Why can't you just let it go? All you're doing is just trying to pup on TNA for doing something not exactly to your liking, or something that doesn't make your favorites look like Gods. People win, people lose, people get beat up, people beat up other people, people get screwed out of wins, people cheat to win. It's not right or wrong. Guaranteed, next time Lethal goes out, he will get cheered and things will be normal, like nothing happened. This doesn't take away anything from anyone else. It will do no real harm to anyone. Once again: Let. it. go. It was the last thing the X-Division needed. If Angle were to beat the **** out of Shark Boy or some random "stagehand", it wouldn't have been so bad. But having Angle destroy guys who should SERIOUSLY be one of the main focus points of TNA on a whim, then it becomes a problem. It shows what the priorities are in TNA. In feuds, yes. But what happened to these guys was just jobber duty. It had no purpose in the storyline but to somehow get Angle over as a dick at the expense of Lethal, Dutt and the other two. They could've easily avoided this. You're giving people way less credit than they deserve. Unless they're completely brainwashed or just simple and can't remember how to tie their shoes, they'll remember what happens at a PPV. If nothing comes of this, then Lethal and the other guys will just be "Angle's *****es." They could easily cover it up by teaming Lethal with Joe, pushing Dutt's pacifist character even further, and making the Serotonin guys be punished by Raven, but I highly doubt they'll actually turn any of this into *shock* good character development. It wasn't on a "whim". Not like Angle said "You know who I should beat up for no reason? Random X-Division guys!". He went to Lethal to ask for help. Lethal didn't wanna mix into that. In turn Angle started to act friendly to Jay. He gave him the titles. Then, with Lethal's guard down, Angle cheap shots him and then attacks. Sonjay was asking for donations, after Angle got rejected by Christian and his Coalition, and Sonjay ned up pissing off Angle with his smiling and peaceful ways and saying he loved him. Angle then attacks Sonjay after having enough. Seretonin starts to laugh in Kurt's face when he asks them before the main, and in turn Angle fights them. This isn't Angle going around, attacking people with no reason just cause he wants to be bad. He's asking people for help, gets an answer he doesn't like, and then he goes crazy over it in different ways. So far, you are the only one taking this more than it should me. Seriously, no one else was getting worked up over it, and if they were, not to the degree you were. It's not a big deal, and it is not suppose to be a big deal. There are other, bigger shit to deal with than Lethal or Sonjay. Plus, Not everyone who watches the show or knows about the promotion buys the PPVs. Hell, the average is usually 10% or less of the viewers watching the show buy the PPV. All that will get talked about are the matches. It is not a big deal. Lethal will not be less over. Sonjay will not be less over. Seretonin will not be less over than they already are. It does nothing bad to these guys. NOTHING!
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Post by Rube on Jul 15, 2007 22:57:59 GMT -5
That was a fantastic show. The only match that really sucked was Basham and Damaja vs VKM. Even Kip thought so. Everything else was great, imo. James Storm is quickly becoming my favorite wrestler in TNA. Kurt was gold tonight. SHAKE AND BREAK!
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Post by robferatu on Jul 15, 2007 23:00:34 GMT -5
Did anyone consider the members of Serotonin a threat to begin with?
I don't consider it burying Dutt or Lethal because it was an attack, not a match, like was already said. If they went into a match with Angle and tapped out or were pinned within a minute I would consider it a complete burial. I think in a way, Angle attacking someone like Lethal, it's acknowledging him as a threat.
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Post by popples on Jul 15, 2007 23:01:16 GMT -5
Pretty decent PPV.
That RKO/Diamond Cutter Kaz did on Daniels in the first match was insane! I'm glad they put Abyss back in the black mask and thankfully the painted face Abyss wasn't permanent. The red mask reminded me too much Mankind.
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Post by Rube on Jul 15, 2007 23:04:49 GMT -5
I actually really dig Abyss speaking. They just need to keep what he says short and to the point.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 15, 2007 23:08:48 GMT -5
Remember the whole Stevie/Polish Hammer incident? I thought that was Chris Masters? Eh, true. Alright then: remember Tomko vs. Stevie Richards from some PPV? Hideous match, if I remember right. Needless to say, Tomko is MILES better at this point.
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Post by slasher911 on Jul 15, 2007 23:19:55 GMT -5
You're right, I probably am taking this too seriously. Maybe I'm afraid this'll all just turn out to be another "heavyweights are better then X-Divisioners" case.
Is that REALLY the audience they wanna' keep reaching out to? The people who really just don't care all that much? 'Cause it's not really working out all too well for them.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jul 15, 2007 23:34:30 GMT -5
You're right, I probably am taking this too seriously. Maybe I'm afraid this'll all just turn out to be another "heavyweights are better then X-Divisioners" case. Is that REALLY the audience they wanna' keep reaching out to? The people who really just don't care all that much? 'Cause it's not really working out all too well for them. If this is such a horrible thing, like you're trying to say, wouldn't it be good that they don't make it a big deal out of it like you do? It doesn't make the fanbase any worse that they aren't crying and complaining over something small at a PPV, which it is. They're actually enjoying the show and not freaking out over little stuff and over analyzing every little thing and looking to find something to complain about. Look, no matter what I say, I know you. Ever since you have joined, whenever the topic of TNA comes up, you are one to complain about it and talk about how you hate pretty much everything about it. Whatever. That's your thing. You think that TNA sucks at mostly everything they do, and I think they aren't the evil promotion some people make them out to be. We will never see eye to eye anytime soon about this.
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Post by Overly large testicles on Jul 15, 2007 23:41:15 GMT -5
Decent PPV. Nothing special, nothing awful (besides Bashams v. VKM).
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Post by slasher911 on Jul 16, 2007 0:03:26 GMT -5
You're right, I probably am taking this too seriously. Maybe I'm afraid this'll all just turn out to be another "heavyweights are better then X-Divisioners" case. Is that REALLY the audience they wanna' keep reaching out to? The people who really just don't care all that much? 'Cause it's not really working out all too well for them. If this is such a horrible thing, like you're trying to say, wouldn't it be good that they don't make it a big deal out of it like you do? It doesn't make the fanbase any worse that they aren't crying and complaining over something small at a PPV, which it is. They're actually enjoying the show and not freaking out over little stuff and over analyzing every little thing and looking to find something to complain about. So "shut up and drink the Kool-Aid" is your answer? Yeah, that makes sense. Not everyone is the same. What's small to someone might be important to someone else (we're not talking about the color of the ropes or some **** here, buddy, we're talking about how they manage their talent). There's a difference between enjoying a show and being a drooling slave to everything you see. Apparently you have no idea what you're talking about, since I've said countless times that I LIKE TNA and that I only criticize (keyword here: criticize) them because I want them to be better. Perhaps I'm not as blind to the problems in TNA as you? I've praised TNA countless times on their superior wrestling and their great talent roster. It's their ass-backwards booking that I have problems with. I'm sorry, but I just can't be a mindless drone. Any GOOD fan will notice a flaw and demand it be fixed, otherwise it never will be. These are the kind of people I'd reach out to. The fans who demand the very best, and not second-rate, half-assed bull****.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jul 16, 2007 0:10:54 GMT -5
These are not flaws. These are just you disagreeing over who is getting pushed or not. What you believe is not right or wrong. it's an opinion. There are very different opinions out there, and none of them make yours any better than anyone elses.
I'm not saying to take Kool-Aid. I'm not saying to be a "slave". I'm saying there are some people who don't care about pushes, and burials, and such. They just want to be entertained without all the technical bullshit.
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Post by THEBUZZKILL on Jul 16, 2007 0:14:40 GMT -5
I thought it was a fun Show.
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Post by slasher911 on Jul 16, 2007 0:20:15 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, that's all fine and everything (I was like that until I discovered the internet and completely ruined my outlook on wrestling). How someone wants to enjoy a show is totally not up to me or anybody else. It just seems necessary to the survival of a company to have people willing to play devil's advocate - not because they hate the company, but because they care too.
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Post by Rube on Jul 16, 2007 1:06:22 GMT -5
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Post by ilikeRusso. on Jul 16, 2007 3:33:51 GMT -5
omg joe won " wonder why hes talking on the mic though maybe tna want him to stay."
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Post by leemir on Jul 16, 2007 10:48:16 GMT -5
Any pics of the event? I'm hearing they used the Elevation X structure for Ultimate X, is this right?
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