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Post by SOR on Jan 26, 2014 23:59:43 GMT -5
The Rumble was a good show. Everyone just thinks it sucks because Bryan didn't win.
TNA makes it fair share of mistakes as well though.
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Post by SOR on Jan 26, 2014 23:29:39 GMT -5
Emotions are just high right now. Come tomorrow most people will have reconsidered and calmed down a lot. A significant number of people won't boycott WWE because of this.
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Post by SOR on Jan 26, 2014 23:24:32 GMT -5
No secret that I think Daniel Bryan is overrated and unentertaining. I personally feel the choice of Batista (Who is now a MOVIE STAR with cross over appeal) is a lot better than having 5'9 200 pound Daniel Bryan in the main event of Wrestlemania 30 Everyone saying they're done with the company will be back in time for Wrestlemania and the WWE knows this. As someone who hasn't watched WWE full time since 2006 I personally would like to congratulate them on a good show and a smart booking decision. I will watch Wrestlemania also. Kudos WWE. Kudos. Two questions. 1. How does Batista have crossover appeal? The dude was in some shitty direct to DVD movies. Daniel Bryan got shout outs on ESPN. 2. Who cares about his height? Will a guys height make you not buy the show? Is it ridiculously hard to believe that a small fighter could be skilled enough to fight larger fighters and win? I'm getting piled in this thread but thought I would respond to you since you legitimately asked questions 1. Batista has not strictly done straight to DVD releases. He is about to have a leading role in a Marvel Comic movie. Actors who manage even small 3-5 line parts in these movies go onto becoming cult legends and are set for life financially (Not necessarily from the pay day but the action figures, autograph money, photo money etc) Batista is the lead in this movie. This movie comes out this year so if he's fresh out of WWE (Or there when the film is released) the WWE is going to get A LOT of media hype and things like that from people they don't usually get it from. This is why it makes sense for Batista to win here 2. Me personally? I like watching guys who are larger than life going at it. Daniel Bryan isn't a small guy but on the WWE roster he is and it just isn't a realistic scenario with 5'9 200 pound Daniel Bryan going up against 6'5 235 pound Randy Orton. Throw in the fact that I personally don't find Daniel Bryan entertaining in the least and it's a dull main event for me and like minded people. Watched his match tonight. Decent wrestling match but as a sports entertainer I don't like him. Anyone who dislikes Daniel Bryan is called an attention seeker or idiot so maybe it was wrong to post my opinion but a legitimate movie star definitely will draw more interest and money for Wrestlemania rather then giving the fans Daniel Bryan right now. I apologize if Im off base herel, but you seem to be trolling hard here. Your comparison is like saying "They should keep pushing Bret Hart because he was on the Simpsons and Lonesome Dove and has crossover appeal, and just because the crowd pops hard for Austin doesn't mean hes best for business" I'm not a regular poster in the WWE section I'm more of a TNA fan so I understand you and others think I'm trolling but basically I like sports entertainment wrestling and sports entertainment wrestlers. Daniel Bryan doesn't fit that bill for me from what I have seen. I have made an effort to enjoy the guy I have WWE fans as friends who may suggest I watch a Bryan segment and he doesn't do it for me personally. In regards to your second statement. A 5 second appearance on The Simpsons is a bit different to being the lead in a major movie from a major comic distributor for a relatively major character. Watched his match tonight. Decent wrestling match but as a sports entertainer I don't like him. Anyone who dislikes Daniel Bryan is called an attention seeker or idiot so maybe it was wrong to post my opinion but a legitimate movie star definitely will draw more interest and money for Wrestlemania rather then giving the fans Daniel Bryan right now. I didn't say that you were seeking attention but it's unfair to say you don't like them when you don't watch the product at hand. Have your opinion, but when you come to a thread where there are obviously upset people and say their favorite isn't any good, you are going to get questioned. And you've said you don't care for WWE's product so it does come off bad... I know you didn't call me an attention seeker, others have. As said above I will occasionally watch a WWE segment when someone wants to show me it and the guy has never impressed me. I never said he wasn't good in general I said he wasn't someone I liked or enjoyed. Then I get jumped on, insulted and attacked by people for having the "wrong opinion" You do have a point, I'm not a full time WWE viewer but I never pretended I was. I don't need to be a full time hardcore WWE fan to know that Daniel Bryan just isn't for me. Why that is so hard for some people to accept is beyond me. I'm just one person.
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Post by SOR on Jan 26, 2014 22:58:59 GMT -5
No secret that I think Daniel Bryan is overrated and unentertaining. I personally feel the choice of Batista (Who is now a MOVIE STAR with cross over appeal) is a lot better than having 5'9 200 pound Daniel Bryan in the main event of Wrestlemania 30 Everyone saying they're done with the company will be back in time for Wrestlemania and the WWE knows this. As someone who hasn't watched WWE full time since 2006 I personally would like to congratulate them on a good show and a smart booking decision. I will watch Wrestlemania also. Kudos WWE. Kudos. EDIT: Also, if that Twitter above is indeed Daniel Bryans what an unprofessional guy. He shouldn't even talk about those chants. Could that be because you, admittedly, don't watch WWE? Watched his match tonight. Decent wrestling match but as a sports entertainer I don't like him. Anyone who dislikes Daniel Bryan is called an attention seeker or idiot so maybe it was wrong to post my opinion but a legitimate movie star definitely will draw more interest and money for Wrestlemania rather then giving the fans Daniel Bryan right now.
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Post by SOR on Jan 26, 2014 22:54:08 GMT -5
No secret that I think Daniel Bryan is overrated and unentertaining. I personally feel the choice of Batista (Who is now a MOVIE STAR with cross over appeal) is a lot better than having 5'9 200 pound Daniel Bryan in the main event of Wrestlemania 30
Everyone saying they're done with the company will be back in time for Wrestlemania and the WWE knows this. As someone who hasn't watched WWE full time since 2006 I personally would like to congratulate them on a good show and a smart booking decision. I will watch Wrestlemania also.
Kudos WWE. Kudos.
EDIT: Also, if that Twitter above is indeed Daniel Bryans what an unprofessional guy. He shouldn't even talk about those chants.
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Post by SOR on Jan 26, 2014 22:43:07 GMT -5
I don't usually watch WWE but watched the Rumble tonight and Batista is a great choice for winner of the Rumble. Even if Smark Central Pittsburgh doesn't think so.
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Post by SOR on Jan 26, 2014 20:52:58 GMT -5
There were a couple of tag matches in 2000 where they wrestled. Then of course there was Bash At The Beach 00 Apart from that they were meant to wrestle on a TNA Pay Per View in 2004 but Hogan got hurt so they never went through with it. Wasn't the lead-up to this Jarrett smashing a guitar over Hogan's head during a New Japan show? I remember reading somewhere that this happened but nothing seemed to come of it. Yeah Hogan was wrestling for New Japan and Jarrett smashed the Guitar over Hogan's head. This was meant to be the start of a feud where we'd see Hogan Vs Jarrett at the first Bound For Glory which was meant to happen at 2004. They even started the feud by having Jeff Jarrett start a feud with Jimmy Hart which resulted in Jarrett beating some of Hulks friends but Hulk pulled out at the last minute due to "injury" and TNA never secured Hulk legally so there was nothing they could do which is a shame.
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Post by SOR on Jan 26, 2014 19:42:22 GMT -5
I can understand why someone would think 2014 would be better than TNA 2009. The IWC thought process of "Good matches>Everything else" would make TNA the stand out company in 2014 with their great pure wrestling roster which is probably up there as best in the world.
In reality TNA would need a complete roster overhaul which would include firing guys like Angle, Daniels, Roode and Joe to become fresh and interesting like it was in 2009.
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Post by SOR on Jan 26, 2014 19:23:41 GMT -5
But...it hasn't been confirmed that Russo's back...
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Post by SOR on Jan 26, 2014 19:17:57 GMT -5
Anyone who isn't a "LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME! I KNOW WHAT (Obscure Indy Wrestler/Promotion) IS! LOOK AT MEEEE!" is fine by me.
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Post by SOR on Jan 26, 2014 19:11:47 GMT -5
There were a couple of tag matches in 2000 where they wrestled. Then of course there was Bash At The Beach 00
Apart from that they were meant to wrestle on a TNA Pay Per View in 2004 but Hogan got hurt so they never went through with it.
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Post by SOR on Jan 26, 2014 12:04:53 GMT -5
It shouldn't even exist to be honest. How many people that made TNA something special have actually fully retired from in ring?
They've also killed any credibility it had once they used it for a story line.
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Post by SOR on Jan 26, 2014 10:46:49 GMT -5
So does he make random five second cameos in modern porn films? Uh...no. He still films scenes with girls young enough to be his granddaughter. Good work if you can get it, I guess. He even f***ed Chyna!!!
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Post by SOR on Jan 26, 2014 10:44:43 GMT -5
Virgil won a battle royal; other participants included: Jim Duggan, Kerry Von Erich, Tugboat, Davey Boy Smith, WWF Tag Team Champions Bret Hart & Jim Neidhart, Shawn Michaels & Marty Jannetty, Dino Bravo, Ted Dibiase, Gen. Adnan, the Warlord, the Undertaker, Earthquake, Kato, Mr. Fuji, & Koko B. Ware I missed this one earlier but is anyone else amazed that Virgil holds victories over guys like Davey Boy Smith, Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels and The Undertaker?
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Post by SOR on Jan 26, 2014 10:20:16 GMT -5
This board is actually really good when it comes to creepy women wrestling fans. There are a few (Not going to name names) but a lot of boards are way worse.
My favourite women wrestlers getting stalked stories are the ones where it's some obscure women's wrestler who maybe appeared in WWE or TNA for a cup of coffee and some dude on the internet has fallen in love and will buy her things off of her Amazon Wishlist and claim she's this amazing talent when in reality he only likes her because she's hot.
If we're talking specific stories I remember Torrie Wilson saying her creepiest fan story is when she was signing copies of her edition of Playboy and she spotted a man masturbating in the line waiting to meet her. Obviously security got rid of the guy but I can't imagine what kind of guy would just drop his pants and start jacking off in public.
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Post by SOR on Jan 26, 2014 10:11:31 GMT -5
In the early 90s they were not playing nothing but videos.That is when stuff like Liquid Television and Beavis and Butthead started airing. Well there we go then, OP was born in 1996 so definitely isn't in the "I remember when MTV played nothing but music" boat.
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Post by SOR on Jan 26, 2014 10:06:29 GMT -5
After reading some opinions from you all I'm glad to hear this week was better than last week. I'm going to tune in next week because I love the UK shows and I'm excited that the Mystery Investor is going to be revealed so soon (I was expecting a long drawn out story line) and I think TNA is going to put their best foot forward for this one.
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Post by SOR on Jan 26, 2014 9:55:04 GMT -5
Most heroes are flawed if you really think about it. Not just in wrestling but in cartoons and film also.
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Post by SOR on Jan 26, 2014 9:41:46 GMT -5
As for commentators, I would sack Tenay. What does he do that someone from local radio couldn't do? Generally radio guys don't have people in their ears telling them what to say or what to promote next. They generally have more time to get something or someone over and you'd probably have major issues with your lead announcer not knowing a single wrestling hold or wrestler if you used a local radio guy...
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Post by SOR on Jan 26, 2014 9:28:57 GMT -5
Point 1: Dixie Carter herself has said that the chant during that match was for a segment booked by Dutch Mantel and not Vince Russo so there goes that logic Point 2: Impact Zone was full of smarks. The TNA audience base was a lot bigger than that. Point 3: Most people praise TNA from like 03-09. Russo was involved in booking and writing for most of those years bar 05 and I believe 06. He was around in 2010-2012 but everyone wants to hate Bischoff and Hulk for those years so if people want to blame Russo as well that'd be contradictory. In closing, people say Russo sucks and is unsuccessful simply because they don't like his style which is fine. I'm personally not a fan of Jim Cornette's booking style but to say he outright sucks and that his career has been 90% shit is very silly. I doubt Dixie knows who has booked what. Dutch has also been online where he refuted Dixie's claims. Simple facts here: 1. Dutch was the champion of the knockouts division and handled most of it. One of 2 things TNA was doing right. When he left TNA, it went down hill. 2. No one ever chanted "Fire Dutch" or anyone else for that matter. 3. Dutch walked onto WWE and 5 minutes later, the no 1 heel in the company. He even made a guy who was 2 seconds away from being "future endevoured" into a main event guy. Of course the Impact Zone is full of Smarks, so is WWE. So was ECW and WCW. Whats your point? Put on a good show and they cant complain. As for point 3. I have never heard anyone ever praise TNA. Saying "They might finally be getting it" or "That guy is gone so maybe it will start getting good" is not praise. TNA went out of business in 2003 remember. If not for Dixie bailing them out, TNA would already have died. TNA has been a constant failure and has failed miserably to gain fans or ratings at all. The budget cutter also shows Mum and Dad are getting tired of loosing money too. First, Dixie definitely knows whats going on. I know everyone loves to play it off as Dixie being this dumb business woman who has no idea etc etc but she does. She's not a "wrestling" person but she knows who does what on her show and she has no reason to blindly defend Russo and blame Dutch Mantel. People just won't admit Dutch had a bad idea because he's an old school southern guy and has built himself a bit of a fan base in the WWE lately. Secondly, Nobody else chanted "Fire Dutch" or "Fire Cornette" because Russo is one of the easiest targets in wrestling. WCW fails? Russo's fault. TNA starts sucking? Russo's fault. Dumb angle in the WWF? Russo's fault. I mean you're even implying in your above post that Russo is responsible for Dixie Carter purchasing the company when in reality no company was going to go from "Regional Super Indy" to "National Juggernaut" in under 6 months. Yet somehow, this is Russo's fault as well. Thirdly, The time periods Russo was in charge for ALWAYS get praise around here. Hell, a lot of people would say 2004 or 2009 was TNA's best year. Both involved Russo to some extent. The shows started to die down in terms of internet hype around 2010 where Russo complained about "Too many cooks in the kitchen" Fourth, in regards to your smarks comment. What the smarks like isn't what the general public like. TNA is going that way currently and look how good the shows are. Your non smart mark wants story line wrestling with characters they enjoy. Russo can do that, not many others can. I'm not saying you have to love the guy or even like him but a lot of the hate in general is from people who just want to follow the crowd and hate Russo because everyone else does. The guy is a talented individual he just has a style that the smart marks can't appreciate. Eric Bischoff has the same issue where people just love to pile on the guy and blame him for things he had nothing to do with and then put the guy down constantly as a performer or writer or whatever simply because they don't like his style.
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