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Post by Lionheart on Jul 15, 2010 18:31:02 GMT -5
something that I think has never seen in a 2D fighting game before, alternate costumes Street Fighter 4 beat it there. Well, maybe he isn't counting SF4 as a true 2D fighting game, since it has 3D characters usually moving along a 2D plane.
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Post by Lionheart on Jul 15, 2010 18:26:37 GMT -5
Actually, while I like Yoshi, I figure the midcard is his ceiling, and I like Christian too. But if you had a thread about wishing Christian would get into the main-event and I showed up and said, "Christian is a mid-carder, get over it" would you find that at all helpful? Do you see where I'm coming from here? I see your point but do you seriously view Yoshi and Christian on the same level? I only used Christian as the example because you said he was your guy. In the case of Yoshi, you say "He's a jobber." Why? Because he's at the bottom of the card and loses a lot. And why is he in this position? Because he's a jobber. And the loop of circular reasoning goes on forever, telling nobody anything they don't already know, and completely missing the point of the discussion, which is that some people think Yoshi should be, you know, higher up on the card and win more so he isn't just a jobber. I mean, if you wanted to make an argument for why Yoshi only deserves to be at the bottom of the card, sure people would disagree with you, but at least it would be actual discussion.
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Post by Lionheart on Jul 15, 2010 18:20:48 GMT -5
Don't even bother trying to learn the storylines, they won't make any sense to you within a month anyhow.
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Post by Lionheart on Jul 15, 2010 18:17:07 GMT -5
It's not that people don't understand there are limited time and wins available, they're complaining that the wrong guys are getting the exposure and victories. And specifically, I was objecting to Matt's "State the thing people take issue with as though it's an insight" style of posting. Look, there is a limited amount of time on TV. He isn't as high profile as a lot of others and will end up losing matches. If ECW was around, this wouldn't happen. That's all. Look, I'm sorry that you are a Yoshi mark and he isn't getting the airtime he used to. I'm a Christian mark and am upset he was stuck in a storyline with Vickie and Dolph Ziggler. We all have our favorites. Actually, while I like Yoshi, I figure the midcard is his ceiling, and I like Christian too. But if you had a thread about wishing Christian would get into the main-event and I showed up and said, "Christian is a mid-carder, get over it" would you find that at all helpful? Do you see where I'm coming from here?
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Post by Lionheart on Jul 15, 2010 18:12:23 GMT -5
More really compelling and insightful stuff. But I think they could really use your help over in this thread about pushes people want to see end. You should post and say, "The guys in this thread are the ones who are being pushed" and act like you don't see what everyone's problem is. I have faith in you, buddy. Later.
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Post by Lionheart on Jul 15, 2010 18:10:24 GMT -5
Melina's not the only one who didn't get it. I[/i] thought it was funny.
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Post by Lionheart on Jul 15, 2010 18:08:14 GMT -5
Yes, that was EXACTLY how I felt when I read your useless post, glad to see you're starting to get it.
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Post by Lionheart on Jul 15, 2010 18:06:50 GMT -5
This what they have become, yes, which is what people object to. It's as if someone complains that their dinner is burnt and you tell them matter-of-factly that it was simply cooked too long and can't understand why they're upset. You make Yoshi win more then someone else needs to lose more. There's only so many matches to go around each week, and so many guys that can win from them to get exposure? How can this be complained at? It's not that people don't understand there are limited time and wins available, they're complaining that the wrong guys are getting the exposure and victories. And specifically, I was objecting to Matt's "State the thing people take issue with as though it's an insight" style of posting.
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Post by Lionheart on Jul 15, 2010 17:59:25 GMT -5
Well, that contributed a lot. I really don't give a s***. Clearly. As I said in the other thread, it's as though someone is complaining about their dinner being burnt and you show up and tell them, "Your dinner is overcooked" and then act like you don't understand what the problem is. Fine, you "said your piece." It's like, "No shit, pal, your piece was what we're all talking about." What was the point?
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Post by Lionheart on Jul 15, 2010 17:57:07 GMT -5
Agreed. Just because someone is not getting the screentime they used to doesn't mean they are buried. And guys like Yoshi and Primo are glorified jobbers anyway. This what they have become, yes, which is what people object to. It's as if someone complains that their dinner is burnt and you tell them matter-of-factly that it was simply cooked too long and can't understand why they're upset.
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Post by Lionheart on Jul 15, 2010 17:55:27 GMT -5
He's a glorified jobber. Get over it. ECW's dead. Well, that contributed a lot.
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Post by Lionheart on Jul 15, 2010 12:10:47 GMT -5
[ 1. He tries to console her because its a slightly less macho alternative to beating somebody up for her. 2. Its pretty obvious he took off his jacket to give to her in another chivalrous display, realized it was an over the top gesture, and wrapped it around his own waist to save face. That's the joke. 3. So he wants to show he cares but doesn't want to try too hard? 4. I don't have a lot of sympathy for Dwight. You're not supposed to. He plots against Jim, sucks up to Michael (except when he went behind his back to try and get him fired), cuckholded Andy, and so on and so forth. He did help Angela when he brought those reports or whatever to the Corporate Office and was willing to hide the fact he did it to keep their relationship secret. He saved Jim from an ass beating by Roy, but he's not a nice person. He was one of the show's villains at least early on. Recent episodes have made all the other characters more unlikeable so he doesn't stand out as much, but Dwight is an antagonist, not a protagonist. 1. So basically there is nothing he could have done in that situation where you would have found his actions sincere and appropriate. OK then. 2. Interpret it that way if you like. What's the difference? Over-the-top is Dwight's personality, even when he tries to do something nice he's a goof. 3. That isn't remotely what I said. He doesn't ask what's really wrong because either A) he thinks she has PMS, as you're fond of pointing out or B) he knows he isn't equipped to handle it. He's stil trying the best he can. 4. This is the most important and fundamental point. An antagonist is not always the same as a villain. If you think an antagonist can't be sympathetic or have genuine redeeming qualities, then you've never really appreciated storytelling or good character development at all, so I shall invest no more time in arguing about such matters with you.
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Post by Lionheart on Jul 15, 2010 11:48:55 GMT -5
False. When Pam is crying in the hallway about Jim and Karen, Dwight tries to sit with her and comfort her, and there's nobody else around to even see him being nice. Granted, he thinks she has PMS, but he still made an effort. True. Pam was there. He started the conversation by demanding "Who did this to you?" as if he was going to seek out and destroy the offended party, proving he is an egomaniac desperately trying to spice up his own mundane life by engaging in some roaring rampage of revenge. Dwight, the former Lackawanna County volunteers sherriff's deputy, sees himself as a heroic white knight. It's just who he is. Sure there's ego involved in it, a lot of ego. But the fact is that when he finds out he isn't going to get an opportunity to go on crusade, he still stays and tries to console her. No he doesn't, he takes it off and ties it around his own waist, saying "It's hot in here" because he's uncomfortable. I already mentioned that. There's no dispute that he's awkward and clueless. Because maybe, just maybe, he knows that she wouldn't want to talk about it to him and that he wouldn't be able appropriately handle her feelings? He's doing the best he can. No, you just have none for him. I don't see how you can even enjoy the character. You're not supposed to hate Dwight, you're supposed to laugh at him because he's absurd and pathetic. If you use this argument, then we have to question the sincerity of practically every character's actions throughout the entire show, because they're always on camera and (with only a couple of notable exceptions) always remember it.
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Post by Lionheart on Jul 15, 2010 11:41:01 GMT -5
The hell you say. I'm going to have to take a while to digest this.
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Post by Lionheart on Jul 15, 2010 11:39:01 GMT -5
If a character change involves the addition of face paint, it's pretty much always screwed up.
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Post by Lionheart on Jul 15, 2010 11:33:29 GMT -5
Any time Dwight does something he thinks is nice its really to draw attention to himself and make himself seem more important than he is. False. When Pam is crying in the hallway about Jim and Karen, Dwight tries to sit with her and comfort her, and there's nobody else around to even see him being nice. Granted, he thinks she has PMS, but he still made an effort.
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Post by Lionheart on Jul 15, 2010 11:24:35 GMT -5
None of them should have shirts. From a pure business standpoint, this man has it right. They're not going to make any Diva shirts because they wouldn't sell. There aren't enough girls/women who care about wrestling to make it worthwhile, and most men would never wear a shirt for a female wrestler.
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Post by Lionheart on Jul 15, 2010 11:21:58 GMT -5
2) Dwight told Ryan when he took him on a sales call that he was just worried about Ryan being a salesman because him and Jim never got along. It was actually an initiation ritual, Ryan's first sales call was with Stanley a few episodes later in "Traveling Salesmen," the episode where Dwight is forced to quit. But yeah, and remember also that in "Traveling Salesmen" Jim shows a picture of him and Dwight when they used to do sales calls together when Jim first joined the company - Dwight has his arm around Jim.
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Post by Lionheart on Jul 14, 2010 23:27:01 GMT -5
Where's it going to go? Absorbed into Ohio or something? Admittedly, the economy is horrible there right now but I doubt the state will disolve or something. Jesus Christ, we (Ohio) don't want it, we have enough problems of our own!
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Post by Lionheart on Jul 14, 2010 21:46:38 GMT -5
Does anyone think watches (the type you wear on your wrist) will disappear? Ive heard most people say that in the age of cell phones that tell time theyre irrevelant, but there are still people who dont and probably never will buy a cell phone so i doubt it (plus, the seconds part doubles as a random number generator, at least for me it does). Good watches will stay around as a status symbol accessory.
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