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Post by britishbulldog on Dec 13, 2007 13:33:13 GMT -5
I find it funny you think this is a bad number. For most cable shows this would be considered a decent rating. But because it is wrestling and not doing what Raw and Smackdown do(more established shows). It is bad. Funny thing is is what is TNA's avg rating. 1.0 to 1.1? TNA is perpetually on 1.1 right now, so ECW moving didn't change it at all, which makes me think it's less to do with TNA on that night (as their fanbase has remained consistent) and more to do with the general preemption and relatively little advertising they did to try to inform people of the changed airdate (certainly less than they'd do for any other show). There's likely some overlap, but I think it wouldnt have been much better if they moved it to Wednesday either. Secondly, it's not like they had a huge choice of where to go. I'm fairly sure they were pretty limited by Sci-Fi that week thanks to the miniseries. I wasn't trying to say that TNA had anything to do with ECW rating. I was commenting on the fact that the other poster said now ECW will go back to their bad #, which is better on avg than TNA.
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 13, 2007 13:44:28 GMT -5
TNA is perpetually on 1.1 right now, so ECW moving didn't change it at all, which makes me think it's less to do with TNA on that night (as their fanbase has remained consistent) and more to do with the general preemption and relatively little advertising they did to try to inform people of the changed airdate (certainly less than they'd do for any other show). There's likely some overlap, but I think it wouldnt have been much better if they moved it to Wednesday either. Secondly, it's not like they had a huge choice of where to go. I'm fairly sure they were pretty limited by Sci-Fi that week thanks to the miniseries. I wasn't trying to say that TNA had anything to do with ECW rating. I was commenting on the fact that the other poster said now ECW will go back to their bad #, which is better on avg than TNA. But a LOT worse than their original numbers from their first few weeks.
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Post by britishbulldog on Dec 13, 2007 15:20:43 GMT -5
Agreed but still not a bad number on a minor cable station
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Post by mysterydriver on Dec 13, 2007 15:35:07 GMT -5
I wasn't trying to say that TNA had anything to do with ECW rating. I was commenting on the fact that the other poster said now ECW will go back to their bad #, which is better on avg than TNA. But a LOT worse than their original numbers from their first few weeks. You mean when the show has John Cena, Edge, RVD, Kurt Angle, Big Show, and others on it?
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Post by Ace Diamond on Dec 13, 2007 15:37:36 GMT -5
I wasn't trying to say that TNA had anything to do with ECW rating. I was commenting on the fact that the other poster said now ECW will go back to their bad #, which is better on avg than TNA. But a LOT worse than their original numbers from their first few weeks. And yet, still better than TNA. Really if WWE and SciFi still renewed the contract for ECW on that station when it still only pulls 1.3-1.5 on its best, then it's not a major concern to them. And they did renew it, ergo...
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 13, 2007 15:42:27 GMT -5
But a LOT worse than their original numbers from their first few weeks. And yet, still better than TNA. Really if WWE and SciFi still renewed the contract for ECW on that station when it still only pulls 1.3-1.5 on its best, then it's not a major concern to them. And they did renew it, ergo... And yet, STILL WORSE than before. You can't just go "Well, at least it's better ratings than TNA" and ignore why it's a 1.3 in the first place.
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Post by lildude8218 on Dec 13, 2007 15:46:19 GMT -5
But how often do people, outside of this little "internet community" actually check those websites? There was advertising, just not a sufficient amount. Mentioning it on a website or having two 20 second commercials (mainly hyping matches instead of the date change) is not enough. Having it mentioned on air or even showing a hype video is what is needed. Don't forget when Raw actually hyped ECW's Punk/Morrison title match by showing graphics and showing Punk's vingettes. 1.7 rating. Raw is WWE's first child and it gets all the spoils because of it. Smackdown has to hype Raw. Even, ECW has to hype it. If the company would commit 25% of the hype for Raw to ECW, you'd see the ratings improve. Now, I like TNA...for the most part. They've caused me to roll my eyes and groan occasionally, but I enjoy watching the wrestling. However, I just don't see why people seem to act like them "winning" on Thursday is such a big deal. A lowly hyped displaced show (That people seem to insist on calling the C-Show) got HALF of your regular rating. Now, I know that would be a glass half empty (excuse the pun) look at things, but it is a way to look at them just the same. ECW showed TNA that there is 1.7 possible viewers on Thursday. TNA should have a number to drive for in the next couple of years (Maybe 3-5 years). That's how I look at it. In terms of importance in WWE, it is the C show. You'll never see a WWE title match open up a PPV. I really hate doing this to you but....Cyber Sunday
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Post by Error on Dec 13, 2007 16:10:13 GMT -5
... Isn't there another Thursday show schedule for...this month? I remember reading that they'd be pre-empted twice. There is I think on the 27 of this month Not anymore according to PWInsider. Devin Cutting sent this item. ... Sci-Fi has changed it's schedule for the final week of December. The original plan was for Sci-Fi to air ECW on Thursday, December 27th at 10 PM, head-to-head with TNA Impact. However, ECW will now air in it's regular time slot on Tuesday, December 25th at 10 PM.
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 13, 2007 16:20:16 GMT -5
There is I think on the 27 of this month Not anymore according to PWInsider. Devin Cutting sent this item. ... Sci-Fi has changed it's schedule for the final week of December. The original plan was for Sci-Fi to air ECW on Thursday, December 27th at 10 PM, head-to-head with TNA Impact. However, ECW will now air in it's regular time slot on Tuesday, December 25th at 10 PM. On the Christmas edition of ECW, see the biggest clash ECW ever held, as Santa Claus faces off against his evil twin, Xanta Klaus, in a Jingle All the Way to Hell Extreme Rules Match! Will Kriss Kringle score one for the children, or will it be one silent night, one deadly night? Also on ECW, a match with some combination of Kane, Punk, Big Daddy V and/or Mark Henry will happen.
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Post by ICBM on Dec 13, 2007 16:46:33 GMT -5
Well I have to agree with the earlier posts about TNA being it's own promotion and Vince not even attempting to make it good. For my part I have stopped watching ECW alltogether. I do like John Morrison and Punk and they carry the show. If they toured thier own cities and didn't have to use wwe ppv I think ECW still makes money for Vince. They can still use WWEshop to hock ECW merchandise. They still get the advertising revenue from the ECW show and ECW.com (a subsidiery of WWE.com) It can stand alone and still be a major part of the WWE machine. In this way Vince is stupid for not letting them stand alone.
As a TNA loyalist I would be remis if I didn't include in this post a parting shot for Impact beating a WWE show in a ratings battle. However I feel that ratings should no longer be the standard by witch wrestling shows are judged. DVR's have seriously hurt live TV ratings. This is why advertisers have been using "webisodes" for TV shows, more internet ads, magazine ads, YOUTUBE spots, Itunes, podcasts ect. So maybe we are all over reacting about ECW jobbing to TNA
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 13, 2007 17:08:26 GMT -5
In terms of importance in WWE, it is the C show. You'll never see a WWE title match open up a PPV. I really hate doing this to you but....Cyber Sunday Fair enough, but it's hard to remember these things when they have PPV's every other week it seems in WWE. Still, the odds of that happening again are slimmer than ECW's chances of opening the show.
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Post by estrada on Dec 13, 2007 17:29:18 GMT -5
Well, after the humbling ECW received by TNA (no matter what excuse people use, it was still a pretty good humbling), it looks like the brand is back to its regular bad numbers. How are they bad numbers? TNA would kill for the numbers ECW gets. TNA didnt humble ECW in any way and why the blind faith gets you people to cream your pants over the littlest things is ridicolous.
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Post by AriadosMan on Dec 13, 2007 17:30:57 GMT -5
How are they bad numbers? TNA would kill for the numbers ECW gets. TNA didnt humble ECW in any way and why the blind faith gets you people to cream your pants over the littlest things is ridicolous. TNA would kill for a .6 rating when it actually has competition? News to me. Face it, the show is strcityl the C show, and less important than Heat used to be in terms of its impact on WWE overall.
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Post by lol on Dec 13, 2007 20:01:43 GMT -5
How are they bad numbers? TNA would kill for the numbers ECW gets. TNA didnt humble ECW in any way and why the blind faith gets you people to cream your pants over the littlest things is ridicolous. TNA would kill for a .6 rating when it actually has competition? News to me. Face it, the show is strcityl the C show, and less important than Heat used to be in terms of its impact on WWE overall. You fail to understand that a C show on a science fiction channel is getting higher ratings than the flagship show of TNA. The 0.6 rating is an anomaly which can be explained. For the most part, ECW beats TNA Impact! in ratings. It wouldn't surprise me if ECW beats TNA Impact!...again
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Post by jobberjoe on Dec 13, 2007 20:06:00 GMT -5
well last week I taped Impact-skipped ECW and went to a friend's house to watch the Skins game on the NFL network
I perfer Impact to any of the current WWE shows(cept Raw XV)
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 13, 2007 20:49:13 GMT -5
TNA would kill for a .6 rating when it actually has competition? News to me. Face it, the show is strcityl the C show, and less important than Heat used to be in terms of its impact on WWE overall. You fail to understand that a C show on a science fiction channel is getting higher ratings than the flagship show of TNA. The 0.6 rating is an anomaly which can be explained. For the most part, ECW beats TNA Impact! in ratings. It wouldn't surprise me if ECW beats TNA Impact!...again And all it took was the loss of half the original viewing audience, a canceled PPV, discontinued house shows, and having to shack up with Smackdown for star power and ratings. But it's beating TNA, so it's A-OKAY!
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Post by lildude8218 on Dec 13, 2007 20:50:28 GMT -5
You fail to understand that a C show on a science fiction channel is getting higher ratings than the flagship show of TNA. The 0.6 rating is an anomaly which can be explained. For the most part, ECW beats TNA Impact! in ratings. It wouldn't surprise me if ECW beats TNA Impact!...again And all it took was the loss of half the original viewing audience, a canceled PPV, discontinued house shows, and having to shack up with Smackdown for star power and ratings. But it's beating TNA, so it's A-OKAY! It's been pulling in these type of ratings long before Smackdown was ever involved with the show.
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 13, 2007 20:53:29 GMT -5
And all it took was the loss of half the original viewing audience, a canceled PPV, discontinued house shows, and having to shack up with Smackdown for star power and ratings. But it's beating TNA, so it's A-OKAY! It's been pulling in these type of ratings long before Smackdown was ever involved with the show. I remember it as ECW getting the lower 1.2 ratings and a bit higher, until the Smackdown merge, and it went up for a few weeks. Then it went back to it's regular position.
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Post by lildude8218 on Dec 13, 2007 20:56:55 GMT -5
It's been pulling in these type of ratings long before Smackdown was ever involved with the show. I remember it as ECW getting the lower 1.2 ratings and a bit higher, until the Smackdown merge, and it went up for a few weeks. Then it went back to it's regular position. They were pulling 1.7s and 1.6s from March through May
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Post by jobberjoe on Dec 13, 2007 21:07:07 GMT -5
the talent exchange has freshened up both shows-
I liked the Shelton promo from last night
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