pacino
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Post by pacino on Dec 16, 2007 11:01:56 GMT -5
If the WWE writers joined the Union, would they carry 2x4's? I know, I know... Boo This DeuceDominoMark! ;D Nope they be out of the job. Not that isn't a bad thing. You can't fire someone because their union went on strike.
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Post by The Booty Disciple on Dec 16, 2007 13:51:57 GMT -5
Nope they be out of the job. Not that isn't a bad thing. You can't fire someone because their union went on strike. Nope, you can't, but you certainly can fire them for not showing up to work because they were participating in the strike.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Dec 16, 2007 14:03:39 GMT -5
Wrestling has had endless goofy and ridiculous angles, going back decades.
Why are these current writers so hated?
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Post by The Booty Disciple on Dec 16, 2007 18:52:51 GMT -5
Wrestling has had endless goofy and ridiculous angles, going back decades. Why are these current writers so hated? I can only speak personally, but I guess it's because it used to be that the stories were a backdrop for what happens in the ring. Given the way it's gone the last several years (essentially since WrestleMania XX, though a case could be made that it really began a slow downturn after WrestleMania X-Seven, and WWE stepped it up for XX), it seems that emphasis became more on the wrestling being a backdrop for the entertainment aspect, hence, the move towards "sports entertainment." There's certainly an even balance to be had, and having cut my teeth during the Attitude Era as well as loving old NWA stuff, I know damn well that it can be accomplished. Unfortunately, when you make your ring generals guys who have little more to do with the product than working out the match with the participants and give them no say in how the story arcs are going to work, you wind up with a product that, as I said, isn't emphasizing that ring that they set up every stop on the road. Wrestling shouldn't inherently be difficult to book, I don't think...you present a series of events that should portray one or more men as antagonists towards another man or men who are protagonists. As long as you give something simple and tangible for people to become involved in and relate to, and that makes (reasonable) sense to settle in a wrestling match of some nature, people will tune in and want to see the protagonist go over the antagonist. Shakespeare? Not really, but using at least a simple enough premise that most people on a reasonably common denominator should find something at some point in the show to give a damn about. However, like any craft, you need individuals who are familiar with the product so that they have a context to work the stories in. Those would be your veterans...Dusty Rhodes, Barry Whindham, Michael Hayes, Gerry Brisco (who I recall being called the man who would work out the very best matches in the 1990s somewhere, but don't quote me on that), and numerous others in any promotion. Being a veteran is relative...in WWE, its guys like I've mentioned above...in a small indy fed that's been around for 3 years, they'll be lucky to get someone whose been with their promotion for the entire three years, let alone longer in the business with experience to boot. But whether they're 40 year veterans or 4 year veterans, they're the ones who have the background to make things happen, at least in a general sense (egos and flops like Vince Frickin' Russo and Dusty Rhodes in the 1980s and 1990s not withstanding). I can't really blame the writers who are ex tv guys for the lousy stories, because that's the background they know how to write in. They're likely not familiar with a wrestling love triangle the way you and I are, much less someone like Dusty Rhodes who was the main face in at least 2 that I can think off the top of my head, and probably witnessed or was somehow involved in others. They don't know how to allow a guy to come out and cut his own promo and be an extension of himself (assuming he's got a decent personality to extend), because they've been writing every frickin' line and having it approved by three or four bosses, which is currently happening now as well. We cant' expect someone who was writing for whatever sitcom of the week 3 years ago to come in and inherently know wrestling. So what they wind up doing is writing what they know and trying to work it in, but since they're used to writing a story, rather than writing a wrestling angle, it becomes backward engineered, and you wind up with a match leading to a story, rather than a story leading to a match. It's a damn shame too, because I think we've all seen what can happen when people are compelled to be involved in the match or angle they're watching, and it can be exciting, dramatic, and absolutely brilliant at times. Unfortunately, as I've said, it seems that Vince is trying to legitimize wrestling more as "mainstream" entertainment, and I think we need to only look at two other ventures under the WWE umbrella to see this is the truth (WWE Films, WWE Publishing and their ridiculous fiction stuff, and to a lesser extent, WWE Records or whatever they're called). So Vince is going to continue to think that these particular sort of writers are the ones who should work the stories, and that the stories will drive the show rather than the wrestling driving the show. And since Vince and the rest of his family are surrounded by yes men, and they tend to fire anyone with a dissenting opinion (See Also: Heyman, Paul), there's no real end in sight. Man, I've said a mouthful, probably more than anyone wants to read. Sorry everybody, but hopefully it gets some good discussion going on.
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SAJ Forth
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Post by SAJ Forth on Dec 17, 2007 1:19:47 GMT -5
Wal-Mart is pro union? Since WHEN?!? They're the ones that buy camera packages to spot union activity in their stores and fund a union reporting hotline...I don't think that qualifies as pro union. I Was being comedic.
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Post by The Booty Disciple on Dec 17, 2007 1:44:20 GMT -5
Wal-Mart is pro union? Since WHEN?!? They're the ones that buy camera packages to spot union activity in their stores and fund a union reporting hotline...I don't think that qualifies as pro union. I Was being comedic. Ah. Sorry. My bad
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SAJ Forth
Wade Wilson
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Post by SAJ Forth on Dec 17, 2007 2:16:36 GMT -5
Ah. Sorry. My bad It's Ok.
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Post by dublinbrawler on Dec 17, 2007 2:29:25 GMT -5
If the WWE writers where on strike, Then they would be considered writers. Not a f***ing joke, I mean did the writers from Dallas '85 get hired or what.
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Post by ghettooverlord on Dec 17, 2007 2:44:12 GMT -5
I'LL LET YOU KNOW RIGHT NOW THAT IF THE CHINESE SWEAT-WORKERS I EMPLOY TO WRITE MY POSTS TRIED TO UNIONIZE, MAO WOULD BE VERY DISPLEASED
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