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Post by I'm The Cool One on Dec 16, 2007 17:32:51 GMT -5
And your a Wrestler that knows the job? Ya didn't think so. Go sit down, and speak when you can back up up your statement as you have added nothing to this thread. glad you said that cause i was about to. MVP definately needs to work on entertaining... you cant just put on a bright colored one piece and do some dancing and be entertaining. MVP still sounds to me like he's reading cue cards... but with a little work, he could be really great. as for the rest of what austin said, i agree 100%
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Post by Real Folk Bruce on Dec 16, 2007 18:04:32 GMT -5
Regardless of my thoughts of Austin as a wrestler,he makes some very good points.
Cena is a lot better then most people give him credit for,and is a very entertaining guy to watch inside and outside the ring.
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Post by rubber johnny on Dec 16, 2007 18:07:03 GMT -5
no doubt austin's doing his share of ass-kissing, but no matter
i'll take his opinions over lance "daily blog" storm
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Post by Reverend BTY on Dec 16, 2007 18:12:25 GMT -5
Hmmm, he has improved. I don't usually watch ECW but bravo to this promo. Too bad nobody in the crowd cared too much.
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Post by Count Creepyhead on Dec 16, 2007 18:13:59 GMT -5
Austin's comment on Cena was just a company man comment. Vince probably thinks"If Austin approves maybe the boos will stop"
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Dec 16, 2007 18:22:10 GMT -5
As the good Doctor (Doom) said, the thing with Cena is he's a great all round worker but the fact he's getting put over EVERYONE was why people really didn't like him.
But MVP....I do disagree with him. He's a great worker and, yeah, his mike skills need work, but so does the mike skills of 85% of the guys in the locker room. He just manages to make it work better than most.
And to go off topic a bit, that Shelton promo was damn good. It's great to see the guy finally get a chance because it looks like he's finally taking to it.
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Post by Legion on Dec 16, 2007 18:23:21 GMT -5
Cena is fine in the ring. The guy does his five moves of doom, but then all the top guys over the past twenty years have only ever done five moves of doom once they've reached the top.
Cena's problem, as someone else has said, is the booking. Predictable, superman overcomes the odds stuff is only going to entertain the young, and even that wont always last.
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Post by ThE KrUsHer on Dec 16, 2007 18:27:45 GMT -5
Austin was the best in WWF attitude and I think he knows what he is talking about, he is definetely right about Cena his injury has hurt the WWE bottom line is, Cena is one of the best of this new generation. I wonder what Austin would say bout the animal.,..
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Post by I'm The Cool One on Dec 16, 2007 18:30:23 GMT -5
Austin was the best in WWF attitude and I think he knows what he is talking about, he is definetely right about Cena his injury has hurt the WWE bottom line is, Cena is one of the best of this new generation. I wonder what Austin would say bout the animal.,.. that he sucks. i keed i keed... or do i?
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Post by Jared Has Been Enlightened :) on Dec 16, 2007 18:33:54 GMT -5
I feel MVP is the best mic worker currently in the WWE, so I have no idea what some of you people are talking about. In my opinion he's as naturally smooth on the mic as any new comer since the Rock over a decade ago. He's just a laid back, smooth talker, that's his character. I guess some people think if every other word out of your mouth isn't either a cuss word or a catch phrase you're not good on the mic.
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Post by ThE KrUsHer on Dec 16, 2007 18:37:00 GMT -5
I feel MVP is the best mic worker currently in the WWE, so I have no idea what some of you people are talking about. In my opinion he's as naturally smooth on the mic as any new comer since the Rock over a decade ago. He's just a laid back, smooth talker, that's his character. I guess some people think if every other word out of your mouth isn't either a cuss word or a catch phrase you're not good on the mic. MVP is pretty good on the mic I agree, but he lacks character excitement. He is very, I dunno, Fake-Ish like u know he is playing "MVP" the character, it just doesnt come across as the real man behind the person of MVP.
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Post by I'm The Cool One on Dec 16, 2007 18:38:42 GMT -5
I feel MVP is the best mic worker currently in the WWE, so I have no idea what some of you people are talking about. In my opinion he's as naturally smooth on the mic as any new comer since the Rock over a decade ago. He's just a laid back, smooth talker, that's his character. I guess some people think if every other word out of your mouth isn't either a cuss word or a catch phrase you're not good on the mic. MVP is pretty good on the mic I agree, but he lacks character excitement. He is very, I dunno, Fake-Ish like u know he is playing "MVP" the character, it just doesnt come across as the real man behind the person of MVP. dammit.... and now i have to agree with you
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Post by EvilShadow76 on Dec 16, 2007 20:02:11 GMT -5
You just don't get any better than John Cena? I think Austin's had one too many light beers for his own good. Everything Cena does looks ridiculously fake. The divas put on more believable matches.
At least their offense looks like it hurts someone...Cena can't even throw a fake punch. It doesn't even come within 5 miles of it's intended target area.
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Post by I'm The Cool One on Dec 16, 2007 21:01:56 GMT -5
You just don't get any better than John Cena? I think Austin's had one too many light beers for his own good. Everything Cena does looks ridiculously fake. The divas put on more believable matches. At least their offense looks like it hurts someone...Cena can't even throw a fake punch. It doesn't even come within 5 miles of it's intended target area. sometimes cena haters are blinded by their own hate...
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Post by -Lithium- on Dec 16, 2007 22:09:52 GMT -5
I aint one of those typical smarks that tries to find the negative light in everything, but does anyone think its possible that Sheltons promo was way better then his old ones because he gets to tape his promo on ECW and had to do it live on RAW? Then again he never really talked on RAW.
MVP seems like the only sure star to me, but hey maybe thats cause hes still on Smackdown. A few months ago I would have said Kennedy but hes kinda "floundering" on RAW. I really wish WWE didnt jump the gun and take like 5 main stars back on that draft just to help out what they want to be the "A-Show". Kennedy, Booker, and Londrick should still be on Smackdown...
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Post by Citizen Snips on Dec 16, 2007 22:20:50 GMT -5
You just don't get any better than John Cena? I think Austin's had one too many light beers for his own good. Everything Cena does looks ridiculously fake. The divas put on more believable matches. At least their offense looks like it hurts someone...Cena can't even throw a fake punch. It doesn't even come within 5 miles of it's intended target area. Are the divas' matches more "believable" because they're ACTUALLY injuring each other half the time?
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Post by EvilShadow76 on Dec 16, 2007 22:45:48 GMT -5
I'm not blind. I just know pure garbage when I see it and that's exactly what John Cena is. You Cena supporters are the ones who are blind. If you can honestly say that Cena is good and you're over the age of 10...you've got problems. You just don't get any better than John Cena? I think Austin's had one too many light beers for his own good. Everything Cena does looks ridiculously fake. The divas put on more believable matches. At least their offense looks like it hurts someone...Cena can't even throw a fake punch. It doesn't even come within 5 miles of it's intended target area. sometimes cena haters are blinded by their own hate...
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Post by I'm The Cool One on Dec 17, 2007 3:09:20 GMT -5
I'm not blind. I just know pure garbage when I see it and that's exactly what John Cena is. You Cena supporters are the ones who are blind. If you can honestly say that Cena is good and you're over the age of 10...you've got problems. sometimes cena haters are blinded by their own hate... he's obviously garbage... and thats why WWE put the strap on him for so long... they love putting the title on someone who can't carry it. i mean, just look at hogan, austin, rock, hunter, HBK... all total garbage. i mean, cena sells no merch (which is why you see people in the crowd wearing his shirts), he sells no DVDs (which is why his dvd has sold so well), he dosen't draw, and no one cares about him... oh wait... it's exactly the opposite of that, huh? you can resort to all the personal attacks you like. i'm not going to stoop to your level. but i will say, it's called a differing opinion. some people have one. stop letting smarks tell you what you should like and actually look at the facts, THEN feel free to post all you want. but next time, try to back up your opinion... as opposed to just stating it, and then attacking anyone who dosen't agree. thank you
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Post by thesunbeast on Dec 17, 2007 5:12:54 GMT -5
Cena is fine in the ring. The guy does his five moves of doom, but then all the top guys over the past twenty years have only ever done five moves of doom once they've reached the top. Cena's problem, as someone else has said, is the booking. Predictable, superman overcomes the odds stuff is only going to entertain the young, and even that wont always last. Another Cena conversation in this thread? "Sigh" In my opinion, Cena's only problem is not in the ring, and it isn't even the booking. It's creative. See, pro wrestling is an illusion. Just sometimes they are good at projecting the illusion, and sometimes they are not. Case in point: "5 moves of doom". You said that all the top faces have done it once they reach the top. This is not true. It's an illusion. The truth, is that every single babyface does it period, weather they're on top or in the mid-card. It's how well you hide it or how bad you don't. Every era has a flagship that has been the top guy for a company for an extremely long period of time without loosing much, it's just what era of fan you are and when you came up in the business. Because it's going to take a long time to catch on, and when you do, you think that the guy you're currently watching is the one that the rule is applied to, but it isn't. It dosen't matter if Cena won x amount of matches in x amount of time. The only people that get sick of it are the people that watched y amount of matches for y amount of time without ever counting, then decided to start counting. Cena's problem is creative. They give him something to get him over, and when he's over, they just take it away friguring that he'll just stay over anyway. It is this indeed that make people pay attention to the stuff that they do pay attention to now, because they're looking for things, things that everyone that was ever in his position or not has also had, but they see it in him because when you tke something away, people will now look for something else. They will find both negative and positive things, but they will still find them, or atleast see what they think they see, even if it isn't true. Things will remain hidden in the ones that aren't being held under a microscope.
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Post by The Heff on Dec 17, 2007 5:13:28 GMT -5
don't get better in the ring than John Cena? Really? Seriously? It's true. Cena can tell a story in the ring much like Hogan could in his heyday. I love Austin even more for recognizing John Cena's work.
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